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Twenty Minutes With Star Wars: The Old Republic

A long guided tour of an MMO far, far away.

Oct. 2 2009

Posted by: Brad

In This Episode:

Star Wars: The Old Republic

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Its so tempting to drag me back into my old addiction... MMO...

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sweet jesus! :)

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Flawless Preview.

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looks nice but still waiting for the improvements that would make me really want it.

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@thenexus said:

" I do. But anyway...  Point is - Your being a bit of a fanboy, not looking at something finished, your making wrong comparisons and your forgetting things that have happened before. "

I don't think he even knew them.
 
@DazbotAthertron: You will be thanking them for having Gamecube graphics when there are tons of players on screen at once.
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hmmmmmm

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The game looks fantastic.

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I'll be playing this game.  But I will be super disappointed if I can't hold my dual light-sabers upside down "Shien" style.

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@Macar0niN00dle said:

"I might want to play this, but I don't know. I felt like a big enough nerd playing WoW. "


 

The thing with WoW was although most got the nerd status along with it, alot of casual gamers and people played (play) WoW.  Some people you would even be surprised by... 
 
I feel this game will be that bridge much like WoW was, and will cater to the hardcore and casual crowd that will allow a long fulfilled questline on multiple angles and will be appreciated along the way. 
 
I also wanted to state that having a successful MMO is a great way to finance new games.  The same way Blizzard works...I guarantee WoW finances everything else Blizzard does, and may even go a little further that WoW finances alot of what Activision has.  Having SWTOR be successful will help Bioware make even greater games...single and multiplayer.
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I do.
But anyway...  Point is - Your being a bit of a fanboy, not looking at something finished, your making wrong comparisons and your forgetting things that have happened before.

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@thenexus said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor: IT'S THE SAME COMPANY, how can you rip off your own works? Honestly, lol.  I did not agree to you it looks crap, I have seen it running with my own eyes, outdoor stuff has some really nice polish even at this stage. Indoor's still needs work but still, its Alpha and your watching even at HQ a compressed video. Why show it off? Because they are showing what it does and what it will do. Show nothing till your nearly done or work on making it look nice rather then play well and you end up with Conan and like. Which of course you do not want to do. Do not show anything off and you do not generate any hype, early feedback, direction to gain a player base.... And everything else.  The fool comment is rather childish, WOW, Starcraft 2 etc do not have amazing graphics, as people keep saying that does not make the game. You also comment on wow a bit as well so I know you like wow. Note I played that for ages a while ago, I was the 3rd Druid to get rank 14 on the server I was and at that time the Druid was Git to PVP so that was no mean feet, I loved wow. You prove quite a few of my points here though. You seem to totally forget how wow looked in Alpha. Go Google, The models were utter crap compared to how they looked late beta and live. From alpha to live WOW changed massivly and over time the graphics have been improved on. Wow looked nothing like it did now. If you had the WOW alpha video here right now you would be saying the exact same comments about the graphics.  Finally - The Whole "its trying to be wow" Is just plain stupid as well. Much of what WOW did and has done is nothing new, plenty of MMO's out there before this. Galaxies was out before WOW. So any New MMO is just going to be a WOW copy? Don't be silly. And, oh yeah - To say Bioware has no real game development in the future is just plain stupid. Will this work? Who knows. Will it hurt Bioware? No. With the games they have coming out and the team they have the doctors are LOADED! ( I ignored the star wars comments as they were childish)  Really just think before you post. Yeah you can comment that you do not think it looks great but the rest of your opinion is formed on an unfished product with a lot of fan boy of another product thrown in. People like yourself seem to forget a lot of things. WOW is the best MMO that has ever come out BUT remember...  1. Was wow the first MMO? NO 2. Was wow the first to do much of what it had at launch? NO 3. Did it do many of these better? Yes 4. Did wow look or play as it does now or a year ago at launch? NO 5. Has wow had time to grow? Yes 6. Did wow look good in Alpha or much of beta? No 7. Is it the most graphically to date? NO, it looks good but it is probably not even in the top 3 for looks. 8. Is wow Enjoyable? Yes and NO 9. Has it always been right, things done always the best way to do? NO  You can apply those same things and more to every MMO. It is what you do with it, can you engage the player and like I said in the other posts key points need to be met. WOW did this, Other games like Conan who failed to provide end user content failed as a result of this and other things.  Judge it after you try it or see it at launch, Make comments and concerns now, please do that is why they show these things off. Have the attitude and lack of thought like you have here - No thank you.  I am not putting you down here, Just trying to point out exactly what I and others have said before in all sorts of things. Your making a lot of judgements, a lot of silly comments with no thought to what your seeing or saying. "
Dammit. Why don't you break it up into chapters & publish this shit?!
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@Lind_L_Taylor: IT'S THE SAME COMPANY, how can you rip off your own works? Honestly, lol.
 
I did not agree to you it looks crap, I have seen it running with my own eyes, outdoor stuff has some really nice polish even at this stage. Indoor's still needs work but still, its Alpha and your watching even at HQ a compressed video.
Why show it off? Because they are showing what it does and what it will do. Show nothing till your nearly done or work on making it look nice rather then play well and you end up with Conan and like. Which of course you do not want to do.
Do not show anything off and you do not generate any hype, early feedback, direction to gain a player base.... And everything else.
 
The fool comment is rather childish, WOW, Starcraft 2 etc do not have amazing graphics, as people keep saying that does not make the game.
You also comment on wow a bit as well so I know you like wow. Note I played that for ages a while ago, I was the 3rd Druid to get rank 14 on the server I was and at that time the Druid was Git to PVP so that was no mean feet, I loved wow.
You prove quite a few of my points here though. You seem to totally forget how wow looked in Alpha.
Go Google, The models were utter crap compared to how they looked late beta and live.
From alpha to live WOW changed massivly and over time the graphics have been improved on. Wow looked nothing like it did now.
If you had the WOW alpha video here right now you would be saying the exact same comments about the graphics.
 
Finally - The Whole "its trying to be wow" Is just plain stupid as well. Much of what WOW did and has done is nothing new, plenty of MMO's out there before this. Galaxies was out before WOW. So any New MMO is just going to be a WOW copy? Don't be silly.
And, oh yeah - To say Bioware has no real game development in the future is just plain stupid. Will this work? Who knows. Will it hurt Bioware?
No.
With the games they have coming out and the team they have the doctors are LOADED!
 
( I ignored the star wars comments as they were childish)
 
Really just think before you post.
Yeah you can comment that you do not think it looks great but the rest of your opinion is formed on an unfished product with a lot of fan boy of another product thrown in.
People like yourself seem to forget a lot of things.
WOW is the best MMO that has ever come out BUT remember...
 
1. Was wow the first MMO? NO
2. Was wow the first to do much of what it had at launch? NO
3. Did it do many of these better? Yes
4. Did wow look or play as it does now or a year ago at launch? NO
5. Has wow had time to grow? Yes
6. Did wow look good in Alpha or much of beta? No
7. Is it the most graphically to date? NO, it looks good but it is probably not even in the top 3 for looks.
8. Is wow Enjoyable? Yes and NO
9. Has it always been right, things done always the best way to do? NO
 
You can apply those same things and more to every MMO. It is what you do with it, can you engage the player and like I said in the other posts key points need to be met. WOW did this, Other games like Conan who failed to provide end user content failed as a result of this and other things.
 
Judge it after you try it or see it at launch, Make comments and concerns now, please do that is why they show these things off. Have the attitude and lack of thought like you have here - No thank you.
 
I am not putting you down here, Just trying to point out exactly what I and others have said before in all sorts of things. Your making a lot of judgements, a lot of silly comments with no thought to what your seeing or saying.
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@thenexus said:
" @Lind_L_Taylor said:
" @LeadNinja said:
" @AncientMecha said:
" I'm glad I wasn't wearing pants when I watched this. I'd have to get new ones if I was. "
You soiled your chair?  Isn't that worse? "
He peed in his hands.  This game doesn't look very good.  It seems like they ripped off Mass Effect, which is actually better. I really hope that Bioware isn't trying to be like Vivendi, just sit around milking one online game & going away from game development for years & years (other than game development on this somewhat crappy MMO). "
Prime example of people who do not think. Game is not even in a beta form yet. Of course it does not look good. If you make software look pretty before you make it work your a bad developer in any industry. Yes Design and function come hand in hand but if your sitting there making everything looking sweet as before it is actually functional - Your an idiot. To then comment on how it looks when it is not even in beta is, well, along the same likes.  The whole comment about ripping off mass effect made me laugh, It is like saying A band's new single is a ripp off of their last one. So Even though things in mass effect was a hit, worked well, got great feedback from it they should not use it in a game where it would work well? lol   Look at who are Vivendi and what they are/do and who you actually were thinking of. When you realise that error then have a think what else that company is doing. While yes, they do not do many. It is not one. The last comment about development is just full on daft tbh. "
Mass Effect is a better game, more original. Why the fuck would they want to let their great engine be ripped-off by a tired space opera like Star Wars?  The fucking movie/sixtology is OVER. Let it die already.
 
Also, if the game looks like shit, as you seem to agree, why bother showing it off if it isn't ready?  You bet I'm going to judge it based on its appearance.  It's not as if it's going to look 1000% better when it comes out. Are you serious?  It might be a little more polished, but I seriously doubt it's going to transcend analogically from a Standard Definition look to a High Definition look. Stop playing the fool.
 
This is just the Star Wars way of trying to be WoW, so they don't have to do any real game development in the future but just maintain an online game & get you to pay exorbitant online monthly fees to rip you off.
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It does look good.  I really dont like monthly subscriptions to games, but..........

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the graphics look good for an MMO...
people have to remember that MMO's don't normally push the graphics because they want a wide user-base to be playing their game.
 
The system requirements probobly aren't that high, and the art style they chose isn't horrible.
 
The gameplay looks good, the character classes also look cool... but the real star of the show is the story and the voice acting.  That looks fucking amazing, and it's what I've wanted out of an MMO ever since I've started playing them!

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This game is looking amazing.  If they are able to pull off everything they are trying, this game is going to rock. 
 
I am glad, because WoW has been slipping in recent months.

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Make this casual friendly and for consoles, then i'm sold.
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My name is Blaine. Don't steal it.

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@Lind_L_Taylor said:
" @LeadNinja said:
" @AncientMecha said:
" I'm glad I wasn't wearing pants when I watched this. I'd have to get new ones if I was. "
You soiled your chair?  Isn't that worse? "
He peed in his hands.  This game doesn't look very good.  It seems like they ripped off Mass Effect, which is actually better. I really hope that Bioware isn't trying to be like Vivendi, just sit around milking one online game & going away from game development for years & years (other than game development on this somewhat crappy MMO). "
Prime example of people who do not think.
Game is not even in a beta form yet. Of course it does not look good.
If you make software look pretty before you make it work your a bad developer in any industry.
Yes Design and function come hand in hand but if your sitting there making everything looking sweet as before it is actually functional - Your an idiot.
To then comment on how it looks when it is not even in beta is, well, along the same likes.
 
The whole comment about ripping off mass effect made me laugh, It is like saying A band's new single is a ripp off of their last one.
So Even though things in mass effect was a hit, worked well, got great feedback from it they should not use it in a game where it would work well? lol
 
Look at who are Vivendi and what they are/do and who you actually were thinking of. When you realise that error then have a think what else that company is doing. While yes, they do not do many. It is not one. The last comment about development is just full on daft tbh.
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I never thought this day would come... but I'm actually interested in a MMO.

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@Renegade said:

" @Willy105 said:

" I was heavily hyped for this game, but when I saw this whole video, and I am worried.  Bioware may be trying to do way too many things. The voice acting, although extensive, is bad. The world, although huge, it's incredibly boring and completely un-Star Wars like, feels more like the low budget worlds of Star Trek than the imaginative landscapes of Star Wars.   Hopefully the game doesn't require a monthly fee. That would royally suck. "

You're criticizing an alpha version for not being polished? Seriously? Please learn about the stages of game development before making any judgment on the way the game looks and feels. The primary objective at the beginning of development, or in alpha and early beta, is nailing down game play and basic concepts. After this is completed,  then they will move on to polish the more aesthetic aspects of the game. "
 But they are showing a very great deal of it now. And there is disclaimer saying that the environments are alpha or beta. It's a serious concern, because it seems the game is past that state already for them to be showing it off in a 20-minute documentary.
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I have a boner. 
 
Totally buying this.

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looks pretty goos but the combat for the bounty hunter seems a little boring.

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holy jesus christ

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Gamecube graphics

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Defenestrator lol

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oh wow that looks awesome!!!
I need it in my life now!!!

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Some of the women in this game are STACKED.

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Too bad it has that cartoony look. Oh well.

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I like their style of MMO

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would have liked a more minimalist UI, feels like it takes up too much space at the bottom of the screen. graphics and gameplay looks as old as City Of Heroes or Matrix Online. I'm still very skeptical just how much is actually going to be packed into the game. Storytelling can only go so far.

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i'll try it for sure

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Imagine how gory this would be if the lightsaber had realistic damage.
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@turbomonkey138 said:
" this is the same one from ign ... "
Better late then never though hey, GB tries to get good quality up there only as well these days.@Kajaah117 said:
" @thenexus: Epic post. You managed to type everything that was in my head, but I didn't have the patience or typing skills to get it out. "
Thanks, Well Not great English but I type very fast, as fast as I can think it goes down on screen.
 
They will know a number of things that can go wrong or right. You know they will be using WOW' successes and failures and also take in Galaxies pro's and con's and add their Bioware mass effect element in there. SO that is what you will end up with. A mass effect plus wow plus galaxies plus KOTR plus new stuff.
 
Any issues - that is what beta is for, and polish and then going live as WOW has shown it is an on going process.
 
Biggest downfall of these other MMO's out recently though has been End level Content. A lot of developed something nice but totally forgot about what people do when they reach the initital level cap and also not taken into account how quickly people get there.
This needs to level and quest well and I am sure it will and probably be the best levelling experience out of any of them including wow. The key is what they do and provide after and in my eyes it should be one of their big focusses.
Yep they will nail the PVE levelling, they will nail questing, they will nail story But they need to nail Raiding! and they need to nail PVP and they need to provide content to do when your full level and they need to continue momentum on that new content.
One of the biggest success elements of WOW has not only been the way they update fixes and changes but how consistent they have been releasing new content and raids.
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@PureRok said:
" @SUPERhys said:
" @PureRok said:
" @SUPERhys said:
" @PureRok said:
" @ahoodedfigure said:
" I confused the bounty hunter and the sith guy when I first saw this.  Can I play a bounty hunter who's good?  Smuggler who's bad?  Expansion, maybe? :) "
Bounty Hunter's are good. Smugglers are bad. I think you mean a bad bounty hunter and a good smuggler.  No such thing, but whatever. "
Bounty Hunters are part of the Sith Empire and Smugglers are part of the Republic. You basically just said Han Solo is a villain and Boba Fett is a hero. Do some research? "
I don't need to research common sense. "
Check on the official site if you want. Bounty Hunters= Sith Empire, Smugglers= Galactic Republic. You've failed, admit it. "
I haven't failed. I'm not a Starwars fag. A bounty hunter is a person who arrests people who have skipped out on bail, usually. While a smuggler obviously illegally ships things between places. Get out of your fake world and use your common sense. "
 
Well, if you aren't a 'Starwars fag' then you shouldn't be correcting anyone on a video of a VIDEO GAME set in the STAR WARS LORE should you? Jeez, some people just can't admit being wrong!
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@PureRok said:
I haven't failed. I'm not a Starwars fag. A bounty hunter is a person who arrests people who have skipped out on bail, usually. While a smuggler obviously illegally ships things between places. Get out of your fake world and use your common sense. "
Because this video is about reality and not a video game.
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dont want 2 troll or sound pessimistic but i SERIOUSLY doubt theyll pull this off and even if they do they will have a real hard-ass time beating world of warcraft with the number of subscribers

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Seems they show the same scenes again and again with only minor changes. Guess they don't have anything more of the game finished. They showed the same stuff at PAX and before that at E3 or whatever it was.

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This game looks kinda cool but I have a few problems with it. 
 
First the art style: I really really like the settings and how they look but all of the smaller objects and all of the people look extremely clean to the point were it looks too cartoonish. Things should look like they have actually been used, have a bit more wear and tear on the clothes and stuff. It looks a bit too childish to have that epic feeling I want in an MMO. 
 
Second is being overpowerd: Now I understand that they want you to feel like you are a star wars hero but they dont compencate with more guys to fight. I felt like the characters felt powerfull but there wasnt enough enemies to pose a real threat. Also, did anyone else feel like they took care of that Jedi Knight way way to easily, he barely lost 1/10 of his health. When I fight a Jedi (or a Sith) I want the battle to feel grand and important not easy to the point where i could do it in my sleep.

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honestly all this game makes me wanna do is replay the original kotor. this game might have been great if it came out like 6 or 7 years ago.
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@Willy105 said:

" I was heavily hyped for this game, but when I saw this whole video, and I am worried.  Bioware may be trying to do way too many things. The voice acting, although extensive, is bad. The world, although huge, it's incredibly boring and completely un-Star Wars like, feels more like the low budget worlds of Star Trek than the imaginative landscapes of Star Wars.   Hopefully the game doesn't require a monthly fee. That would royally suck. "

You're criticizing an alpha version for not being polished? Seriously? Please learn about the stages of game development before making any judgment on the way the game looks and feels. The primary objective at the beginning of development, or in alpha and early beta, is nailing down game play and basic concepts. After this is completed,  then they will move on to polish the more aesthetic aspects of the game.
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ONE word people BIOWARE I am exited. And the FULL VO stuff is so kickass that has been a major thing with MMOs is the lack of voices

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@SUPERhys said:
" @PureRok said:
" @SUPERhys said:
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" @ahoodedfigure said:
" I confused the bounty hunter and the sith guy when I first saw this.  Can I play a bounty hunter who's good?  Smuggler who's bad?  Expansion, maybe? :) "
Bounty Hunter's are good. Smugglers are bad. I think you mean a bad bounty hunter and a good smuggler.  No such thing, but whatever. "
Bounty Hunters are part of the Sith Empire and Smugglers are part of the Republic. You basically just said Han Solo is a villain and Boba Fett is a hero. Do some research? "
I don't need to research common sense. "
Check on the official site if you want. Bounty Hunters= Sith Empire, Smugglers= Galactic Republic. You've failed, admit it. "
I haven't failed. I'm not a Starwars fag. A bounty hunter is a person who arrests people who have skipped out on bail, usually. While a smuggler obviously illegally ships things between places. Get out of your fake world and use your common sense.
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Quick "Preview" yes, hows the quick look?

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My number one game for 2010.  I love this video although it was on Giant Bomb a while ago in the Old Republic forums.  Still this is my 4th or 5th time watching it.  Very excited to see more from this game.  I wonder, will all Sith have English accents?

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@Hoshnasi said:
" "First I'm going to wave to someone" *Performs gay wave* "Thats what you do in massive multiplater online games."  LOL!!!!!!! "
Someone at Bioware just has a checklist with that. 
 
MMO Check list 
 
1. Ability to wave at someone? Check. 
2. Multitude of classes? Check. 
3. Ability to dance like an idiot? Check. 
4. Microtransactions? Unknown (By EA Admin: CHECK YOU FOOL!)
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"First I'm going to wave to someone"
*Performs gay wave*
"Thats what you do in massive multiplater online games."
 
LOL!!!!!!!

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I don't even like MMOs but this game looks flippin' sweet. 
This is Endurance Run worthy.

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holy shit, none of that looked like an mmo. can't wait.

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Sorry Bioware....not impressed. 
 
The environments looked kind of bland, the character models are silly, and the voice acting...was pretty good, but not great.   
 
And...heroic combat?  Looks like WoW with nothing but ranged enemies.  The Sith was mostly a ripoff of the WoW warrior class.