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Us vs. Them: Rocket League: REMATCH

Well, technically, this is the first real match, because none of those other ones counted.

Jul. 29 2015

Cast: Jeff, Brad, Vinny, Alex, Dan, Austin

Posted by: Drew

In This Episode:

Rocket League

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Dans little chuckle at Brad saying "suck a di..." made me a firm GBEAST supporter. Weird assholery indeed!

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Evidently none of these guys play football (soccer). The phrase "keep your eye on the ball" exists for a reason!

If you play football you know that apart from when tracking other players or returning to defend you keep your eye on the ball at all times.

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After than Allen Iverson reference I'm finally convinced Austin is the same person as me just in a parallel reality where I'm successful. I can't seem to get a position to write my dissertation and working at giantbomb would ofc be a dream so. *shakes fist in uncontrollable rage*

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@tr0n said:

If you look at some of the best players (Kronovi, Gibbs etc.) you'll see that they use ball cam 99% of the time. They only switch to pickup boosts or if the ball is very high up and they are under it.

Ball cam = essential.

This

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Even though they said on the Bombcast that they hate when people just chase ball, I saw West doing this way too much.

They were doubling up on the ball when it was in the opponents corner and along the sides instead of getting to a good shooting or defencive position and just trailed the ball.

They were also way too slow on getting back on defence and hadn't really internalized using flips to gain speed and save boost.

Also, pro tip: Don't go after a contested ball that your opponent might be able to hit before you do.

Hang back and wait for your opponent to knock it towards you and then shoot the ball forwards.

East was using this to great effect.

It's also wise to back up further down the field and wait for your opponent to make a move when the ball is up against the side instead of trying to bounce the ball forwards from a bad angle, even if you could hit the ball before your opponent.

I guess all it really does boil down to is: even if you can hit the ball, it doesn't mean you should.

And that doesn't mean "Don't just chase the ball as a group" it also means that you should consider backing off and looking for a better shot.

Geegees, this was intense and maybe a little bit more serious than I would have liked, but it was fun to watch nonetheless.

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I also tend to use ball cam nearly 99% of the time, but I would personally add two more things when potentially switching to the 'regular' cam for a moment: playing off-the-ball 'car-to-car' defense and pushing/dribbling the ball slowly/precisely (rarely happens).

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@tr0n said:

If you look at some of the best players (Kronovi, Gibbs etc.) you'll see that they use ball cam 99% of the time. They only switch to pickup boosts or if the ball is very high up and they are under it.

Ball cam = essential.

This

I did hear using the ball cam can throw off your dept perception and precision.

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@ravelle said:
@weltysparrow said:
@tr0n said:

If you look at some of the best players (Kronovi, Gibbs etc.) you'll see that they use ball cam 99% of the time. They only switch to pickup boosts or if the ball is very high up and they are under it.

Ball cam = essential.

This

I did hear using the ball cam can throw off your dept perception and precision.

It's something you get a hang for with play/practice.

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@tr0n said:
@ravelle said:
@weltysparrow said:
@tr0n said:

If you look at some of the best players (Kronovi, Gibbs etc.) you'll see that they use ball cam 99% of the time. They only switch to pickup boosts or if the ball is very high up and they are under it.

Ball cam = essential.

This

I did hear using the ball cam can throw off your dept perception and precision.

It's something you get a hang for with play/practice.

My main problem so far is that my timing is awful, be it on the ground or in the air I always miss the ball by inches.

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I pretty much only use ball cam. I can't stand not seeing the ball all of the time. Too much random bullshit happens when you aren't looking, and lining up well-predicted shots is pretty tough if the ball is off camera. The only time I turn ball cam off is when I'm near or under a falling ball, but I typically try to set up aerials or some other powerful shot on my opponent, so I don't touch it most of the time. Unless I'm in the net. In that case, sometimes you gotta rush back and switching back and forth is a pretty easy way to intersect a ball and still end up in a non-upside-down position.

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This was great. A bit long maybe. You should have one best of 3 each week IMO.

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This was great. A bit long maybe. You should have one best of 3 each week IMO.

Best of three, why even bother? Us vs Them should be a weekly feature that lasts about an hour per episode.

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@weltysparrow: Everyone on the planet has heard the phrase "Keep your eye on the ball". It exists outside of soccer as well.

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Just finished the 3vs3 part of the video, all along I was wondering (and getting somewhat frustrated) why Jeff was playing so weakly, it almost hurt to watch this video. Also, playing with the ball cam on always is just INSANITY.

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I laughed so hard at Jeff telling Dan "We are not part of your weird asshole thing." Jeff's the absolute best.

Also this was pretty good once again and the GBeast really improved a lot through their training sessions. Wouldn't mind a tie breaker and hopefully this series will continue beyond Rocket League afterwards.

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Haven't finished watching this yet, but when I heard Dan utter (I'm paraphrasing here), "I'm going offense 100% of this match," I knew how this was going to end up... Still, looking forward to finishing this. Love GBEast's teamwork so far.

Slightly off topic... But honestly, I think them splitting up offices is probably one of the better moves Giantbomb has made: I love the dynamics between GBWest and GBEast. You folks are great!

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Always be ball camin'

'Cepts when you want to break away and go for a 100% powerup. Otherwise...

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@kingdanglerbk: This is absolutely bad advice. The pros use ball cam nearly 100% of the time. If you don't use ball cam, you'll be constantly out-done by folks who have awareness of what the ball is doing at all times.

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had to stop watching a quarter of the way in to go play some rocket league.

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Does the crowd understand?

Is it Beast versus West

Or man against man.

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People getting actually angry at one another of proper use of something called the BALL CAM.
I love t'internet.

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People getting actually angry at one another of proper use of something called the BALL CAM.

I love t'internet.

You can easily toggle between the two camera modes anyway so I'm not sure why people are debating pros and cons.

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I'm glad Giant bomb is loving this game! Was a ton of fun to watch!

Ball Cam debate:

As many of you have seen, I play exclusively with ball cam (except for picking up boosts and the occasional dribble). But that doesn't mean non ball cam is worse at times. Sadjunior uses less ball cam then both me and Kronovi and does really well.

Ball cam usage is up to you. Whatever works better for you. The only thing I would say is 100% ball cam is much better than 0% ball cam. The amount you use it though is personal preference.

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I like Jeff's Tennis ball antenna

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Next up FIFA Pro Ranked matches

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@gibbs0o0 said:

I'm glad Giant bomb is loving this game! Was a ton of fun to watch!

Ball Cam debate:

As many of you have seen, I play exclusively with ball cam (except for picking up boosts and the occasional dribble). But that doesn't mean non ball cam is worse at times. Sadjunior uses less ball cam then both me and Kronovi and does really well.

Ball cam usage is up to you. Whatever works better for you. The only thing I would say is 100% ball cam is much better than 0% ball cam. The amount you use it though is personal preference.

Hey, didn't know you were on GB, cool! Love watching Cosmic Aftershock streams, entertaining and highly educational stuff. Keep it up.

Here are Twitch links for these guys (they already won 2 ESL Rocket League championships, if I recall correctly):

Kronovi - http://www.twitch.tv/camgears

Gibbs - http://www.twitch.tv/gibbs0o0

Sadjunior - http://www.twitch.tv/Sad_Junior

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@tr0n: Thanks for the links! I'm a GB Premium member, I love their stuff! I don't post or browse the forums much.

We've won 3 ESL tournaments, 1 Gamebattles Tournament, and I have won 1 PC 1v1 Tournament so far! No losses yet!

We hope to win some more soon. :D

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You can't use boost backwards but you can do flips to gain speed just like going forwards

the amount of people that don't use this is mindblowing. I feel like my use of this tactic is giving me a huge advantage in 1vs1 games.

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I feel bad that dan seems to have been hounded into silence; i personally love his goofy trash talk (and ultimately harmless) dickishness and how it irks everyone else. At least it seems like he's having fun.

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How can @brad sit between those two day after day and feel no urge to up his sneaker game?

His name is SHOEMAKER for crying out loud!

On topic: MAN these are entertaining! And I just noticed the 2+ hour runtime!!

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@ripelivejam: I think he was just concentrating, I don't recall him talking much during the last RL stream either. I agree though, I'd be sad if Dan stopped being himself on camera, his enthusiasm is infectious.

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@edmundus@ripelivejam: I'm only 25 minutes in but yeah, it's a lot easier to talk trash when your in the midst of a blow-out :)

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This just taught me that Dan has no idea how teamwork is supposed to work.

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Seeing as how I'm the dude that tweeted those stats, I guess I can compile them a little more properly here.

Quick correction: Vinny had 19 saves, not 21. I clearly added my numbers wrong.

Anyhoo, here's the stat lines for the Rematch.

GBEast

@austin_walker: 21 Goals, 4 Assists, 5 Saves (he scored in every game except the 4-0 loss)

@alex: 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 5 Saves (The 8th game, the 5-4 OT win, was his best showing. 2 Goals, Assists, and Saves)

@vinny: 4 Goals, 9 Assists, 19 Saves (Vinny recorded a save in each of the last 6 games, including 4 in the 2-1 OT Game 10 Win)

GBWest

@jeff: 5 Goals, 7 Assists, 3 Saves (Was clearly off his game by the last 6 games, didn't score in those final six.)

@brad: 4 Goals, 3 Assists, 5 Saves (Looks like a light line, but I have to go back and see what his point totals were, he was better defensively than the line shows)

@danryckert: 15 Goals, No Assists or Saves (Big time compiler, but I think he suffered when it was clear that Jeff couldn't feed him like last time.)

In terms of the whole damn thing, here's what we look like after 25 games.

DuderGoalsAssistsSaves

Jeff (West)

18175
Brad (West)1376
Dan (West)3972
Alex (East)1598
Austin (East)37712
Vinny (East)10919
Total (West - East)70-6231-2513-39
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I feel bad that dan seems to have been hounded into silence; i personally love his goofy trash talk (and ultimately harmless) dickishness and how it irks everyone else. At least it seems like he's having fun.

I more or less agree. He definitely takes it too far in some circumstances (gotta read the room), but some trash talk is totally fine. I don't think it necessarily makes you a dick just for making light comments like, "I'm glad we gave'em that first game."

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@osaladin said:
@ripelivejam said:

I feel bad that dan seems to have been hounded into silence; i personally love his goofy trash talk (and ultimately harmless) dickishness and how it irks everyone else. At least it seems like he's having fun.

I more or less agree. He definitely takes it too far in some circumstances (gotta read the room), but some trash talk is totally fine. I don't think it necessarily makes you a dick just for making light comments like, "I'm glad we gave'em that first game."

What makes it ironic is that Jeff is known for making comments like that.

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@osaladin said:
@ripelivejam said:

I feel bad that dan seems to have been hounded into silence; i personally love his goofy trash talk (and ultimately harmless) dickishness and how it irks everyone else. At least it seems like he's having fun.

I more or less agree. He definitely takes it too far in some circumstances (gotta read the room), but some trash talk is totally fine. I don't think it necessarily makes you a dick just for making light comments like, "I'm glad we gave'em that first game."

What makes it ironic is that Jeff is known for making comments like that.

I think it has a lot to do with tone. Jeff delivers comments like that with a dry humor. But you're right, all of them do.

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Man, what a fight. Shit was on fire.

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@gibbs0o0: did not expect to see you on here - awesome surprise! Watched all the videos of you, Kronovi, and Sad Junior that I could find - they helped my game tremendously and are so fun to watch. Best team in the world right now, hands down.

I think it would be awesome if east and west both got a pro player as a coach before the next game, even if for just an hour or two. Good exposure for the pros and good skill building and training montage opportunity for the site.

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Time for #West to move down to the D-League.

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It would seem that teamwork is not something that comes natrually to GB West ;)

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There are also a lot of good tutorials by Kronovi and friends on youtube. One about camera usage and settings here.

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I do have smaller hands but I mean I could hit both at once but it didn't give me the control over both of them as much as I would like. I also meant L1 in my original comment not R1.

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Dan never change.

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Salty Jeff #1, ain't having your shit

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Quick Stats for the Rematch:

GoalsAssistsSavesShots on Goal
Austin214534
Vinny49196
Alex135519
Jeff58321
Brad53511
Dan160040

I think Dan did his job to pursue the ball and attack the goal. It was Jeff and sometimes Brad who couldn't back him up when the ball goes near GBEast's goal. There wasn't enough ball pressure on West's side. There were times where Dan was the only person near the ball on the attacking side. West was just constantly out of position for a consistent scoring attack. Brad should be hunting for boosts more when he's playing back. Having a lot of boost will help him score when the ball is centered, the perfect time when a defender should attack.

As for Ball Cam, 90% Ball Cam is what I use. Using Ball Cam exclusively is a bad idea. Especially when it's high in the air. You're prone to ram into your own teammates.

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I'm disappointed with GBWest's performance today. Gerstmann was out of practice, Ryckert continued to fling himself at the ball with abandon, and though Shoemaker was giving it his all, it was little in the way of GBEast's excellent coordination and teamwork. Who will take the next season? We all await in anticipation...

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haha "we're not into your weird asshole thing"

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Hopefully now they all realize that games are sports, and that they themselves are cyber athletes. That sweat wasn't in your mind Vinny, it was in your armpits. *motion two fingers to my eyes and then point them at you*