Do you consider the Wii-U to be a true "next gen" system?

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Poll: Do you consider the Wii-U to be a true "next gen" system? (587 votes)

Yes 36%
No 64%

Seeing as how the PS4 was just announced, all of it's games make the Wii-U look like it's going to end up being a gen behind. Not saying the Wii-U is a bad system or anything, I will be getting one later for Nintendo's 1st party games. But outside of that I just can't see it as a true "next gen" system.

I honestly think the Wii-U won't be a stand alone system for Nintendo. Much of the success of the Wii was mostly based on gimmicky games that attracted gamers who weren't too serious about the hobby to begin with (I hate the terms "casual" and "hardcore" when it comes to gamers), it worked well for the Wii no doubt but that was because it was mostly a fad. The crowd that was interested in those games no longer seem to care about it anymore, hence why the Wii-U isn't doing as well in sales anymore (not that I care about this, I'm a gamer not a share holder).

What is the future of the Wii-U? Many 3rd party devs such as EA are talking about not bringing their future games over to the platform at all due to it's lack of power. I think Nintendo will release another system later, a more powerful one, as they will need that 3rd party support.

What do you think?

EA CEO says Wii-U is not next gen ... - GameFAQs

#1 Posted by Winternet (8004 posts) -

What does "next gen" even mean now? People should stop using that term.

#2 Posted by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -

To Nintendo, yes. Compared to Sony, no. I would include Microsoft with Sony but we don't know where they're at yet.

#3 Posted by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -

What does "next gen" even mean now? People should stop using that term.

It's a shorter term for "next generation". (Sarcasm alert!)

#4 Posted by spiceninja (3055 posts) -

I don't but that doesn't mean I'm not going to buy one. I can't live without Nintendo games.

#5 Posted by isomeri (1223 posts) -

I feel like the Wii U is competing more with the 360 and PS3 than the PS4 and Durango. No, it's not a "next gen" system.

#6 Posted by pyrodactyl (1881 posts) -

Technicaly, yes but for what I consider next gen, no

#7 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (190 posts) -

What does "next gen" even mean now? People should stop using that term.

Why?

Next gen means the next installment of consoles, or at least their next progression. Seeing as how the next PlayStation and Xbox have yet to arrive we are still waiting for "next gen" for those two.

The Wii-U is Nintendo's "next gen" console, but the problem is that it doesn't feel like it's going to be able to compete with the PS4 and next Xbox. Regardless however I will still get a Wii U just for Nintendo's 1st party alone.

#8 Posted by Pr1mus (3807 posts) -

Nope

#9 Posted by Miketakon (513 posts) -

Yes it's Nintendo's next generation console. Same goes for Vita and 3DS.

#10 Edited by jgf (382 posts) -

Technically its the generation after the Wii, so its next gen. It more or less depends on your definition of next gen. If you consider next gen as hardware wise (specs) on par with microsoft and sonys upcoming consoles, its certainly not.

#11 Edited by PenguinDust (12450 posts) -

Not by my standards. I see it more as the last console of the current generation hardware. I don't think that's a bad thing, but they need to do something about the price and definitely need to get some games out on the market to motivate families to buy their new system. You can buy a PS3 or 360 for less, they run the same games and have huge libraries by comparison. Nintendo needs to show people why they should choose them over the current crop of platforms.

#12 Posted by Soapy86 (2620 posts) -

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

#13 Posted by JJOR64 (18906 posts) -

Yes. Sure it has old tech in, but it's their latest console.

#14 Edited by Dalai (6995 posts) -

Yes. Yes it is.

#15 Posted by believer258 (11629 posts) -

Yes? I consider the Wii this gen, so why wouldn't I consider its successor next gen?

#16 Posted by Nightriff (4911 posts) -

No, just next gen for Nintendo

Not a bad thing at all just competes on a different level than the PS4 and 420 will

#17 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3555 posts) -

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

#18 Edited by Mushir (2389 posts) -

The next few years will be the time when the Wii U, the PS4 and the next Xbox compete. They belong to the same generation. Therefore, they are all "next-generation". While the term "next-gen" automatically makes you think of a futuristic device with crazy specs, that's not really what it means. It just means the next generation of consoles. That's how I see it anyways.

#19 Posted by Grimluck343 (1148 posts) -

I don't think it actually matters. The only thing that does matter is the games they have to support the system. Hardware specs are completely secondary to that.

#20 Edited by Soapy86 (2620 posts) -

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

#21 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3555 posts) -

@soapy86 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

I would say we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I doubt that you would agree to that.

#22 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

Nope. Nintendo are a gen behind anyway. Wii = xbox+PS2 era. Wii-U = 360+PS3 era.

#23 Posted by LiquidPrince (15842 posts) -

I'm alive! Also, no I don't consider it next gen.

#24 Posted by dungbootle (2457 posts) -

Yeah. I mean, logistically at least.

#25 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2911 posts) -

@soapy86 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

@SpaceInsomniac has you dead to rights. WiiU is middle-gen, just like the Dreamcast. Everybody who makes machines knows that. If you disagree I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

#26 Edited by BeachThunder (11689 posts) -

No, it's the first of the current gen of home consoles.

#27 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

@soapy86 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

Oh there is definitely place for opinion, stop being a smug ass. There is more to the concept of "next gen" in console gaming than your dictionary definition and the capacity of the hardware definitely plays a part.

Let's make a comparison to make you understand the difference. Say Audi and BMW both release cars with impressive new technological features, like adaptive cruise control or functional electrical engines or other features which truly move the automotive industry forward. We can then say those cars are part of a new generation of vehicles because the move the industry forward. Just because, say... Renault, simultaneously releases a car whose biggest feature is it has a radio, does that automatically mean that car is also part of the new generation of cars, just because it was released at the same point in time? Hardly. The same is true for consoles or any other technical product.

#28 Edited by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

I don't think it means anything anymore. What if the Wii U tanks and Nintendo put a new console out in say... 3 years. Will that be a gen ahead of the PS4? So then lets say that the Nintendo thing after that comes out at the same time as the PS5 with the same specs -- is it a gen ahead? It just seems like a pointless descriptor if you don't have any standards other than order of release. Power has to be some kind of factor.

Is Ouya a current gen console? What if they get success and start to iterate every year and by the time the next round of consoles come out Ouya is on Ouya 10 -- is Ouya 10 generations ahead? Sounds pointless.

Maybe "next gen" should just be like art or pornography. You know it when you see it.

#29 Edited by Bribo (592 posts) -

Next gen

@winternet said:

What does "next gen" even mean now? People should stop using that term.

Why?

Next gen means the next installment of consoles, or at least their next progression. Seeing as how the next PlayStation and Xbox have yet to arrive we are still waiting for "next gen" for those two.

The Wii-U is Nintendo's "next gen" console, but the problem is that it doesn't feel like it's going to be able to compete with the PS4 and next Xbox. Regardless however I will still get a Wii U just for Nintendo's 1st party alone.

'Next' is what is to follow. The moment a console is on store shelves, it becomes 'current'.

Too many people use the term 'next gen' incorrectly, as a term that is somehow supposed to suggest how powerful a piece of hardware is. It has become as meaningless as saying how many bits a console has.

#30 Posted by gogosox82 (424 posts) -

Well technically it is since its the next iteration of the nintendo console, but honestly, the WiiU is, from a technological standpoint, a generation behind since its on par with the ps3 and 360 and those consoles have seen better days.

#31 Edited by Striker667 (1 posts) -

@anund said:

@soapy86 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

Oh there is definitely place for opinion, stop being a smug ass. There is more to the concept of "next gen" in console gaming than your dictionary definition and the capacity of the hardware definitely plays a part.

Let's make a comparison to make you understand the difference. Say Audi and BMW both release cars with impressive new technological features, like adaptive cruise control or functional electrical engines or other features which truly move the automotive industry forward. We can then say those cars are part of a new generation of vehicles because the move the industry forward. Just because, say... Renault, simultaneously releases a car whose biggest feature is it has a radio, does that automatically mean that car is also part of the new generation of cars, just because it was released at the same point in time? Hardly. The same is true for consoles or any other technical product.

This is a bad bad example. First a 2013 car is a 2013 car weather or not they add tech. So yes it would be the new model year. Second your analysis is very flawed. From a Tech standpoint Sony put a Beefed up engine in an old car. Yes its fast and powerful, but not innovative. Nintendo would be more like the Toyota Hybrid or an electric vehicle. Way more tech under the hood, but not as fast or strong. You wont tow a boat with it but there is much more impressive tech involved. 1/60 frame drop to a wireless screen is better then most LCD TV's with an HDMI cable. There is a lot of geeky tech things in the Wii U. You call it gimmicks, however it seems like everyone copies those gimmicks. Nintendo tries to innovate and bring gaming to everyone.

The tech is there, just not the tech some of you are looking for. It is next gen in its own way as was the Wii.

#32 Posted by Excast (811 posts) -

Sure, it's next gen. It's just going to be laughably weak for most of the coming generation though.

I mean, can people imagine what that system is going to look like 4 or 5 years from now? Yeesh. They just aren't going to be able to port competent versions of most games to it.

#33 Posted by Hippie_Genocide (537 posts) -

Short answer: I don't know.

Mostly whats been released for WiiU is current gen ports. When will a game come out that maxes out its capabilities? Until that happens I don't think you can judge WiiU too harshly. Maybe Nintendo comes out with a new Zelda like they showed last E3 that looks only marginally different from PS4/720 games. Then I guess it would be next gen. If they can't fulfill that promise in a real game, then it's not.

#34 Posted by mrpandaman (864 posts) -

@anund said:

@soapy86 said:

@spaceinsomniac said:

@soapy86 said:

Hardware generations aren't determined by capability, but rather simply by iteration. The Wii U is absolutely a next generation platform whether people like it or not.

This is always the argument that I hear most when it comes to people who disagree with my personal feelings on this topic. "Generation" suggests a place in time, not a level of technology. However, I view the word "generation" as it relates to the time technology was made available.

The PS4 and next Xbox are next generation systems because their hardware is next generation hardware. The Wii U is not a next generation system, because it it is using hardware that is very close to the generation of tech used in the PS3 and Xbox 360.

At least that's how I see it. Your opinion may differ.

I'm sorry but there's no place for "opinion" in it. There's no debate to be had. The Wii U is a next generation console, so is the Vita and the 3DS. That's a fact. Not opinion. End of story. If you disagree then I'm sorry, but you just don't understand how this whole "console generation" thing works.

Oh there is definitely place for opinion, stop being a smug ass. There is more to the concept of "next gen" in console gaming than your dictionary definition and the capacity of the hardware definitely plays a part.

This a place of opinion whether or not the WiiU is next-gen, which in technicality it is, but the OP is asking if they believe it is or not.

If people disagree, then they don't understand how asking people's opinion of something works. Some people do have differing opinions on what defines "next-gen" to them anyways.

I don't think it means anything anymore. What if the Wii U tanks and Nintendo put a new console out in say... 3 years. Will that be a gen ahead of the PS4? So then lets say that the Nintendo thing after that comes out at the same time as the PS5 with the same specs -- is it a gen ahead? It just seems like a pointless descriptor if you don't have any standards other than order of release. Power has to be some kind of factor.

Is Ouya a current gen console? What if they get success and start to iterate every year and by the time the next round of consoles come out Ouya is on Ouya 10 -- is Ouya 10 generations ahead? Sounds pointless.

Maybe "next gen" should just be like art or pornography. You know it when you see it.

You know it when you see it, is I think why many people don't think the WiiU is considered "next-gen."

#35 Posted by crusader8463 (14413 posts) -

It's the next gen for Nintendo so yes. It's not going to stand up to the PS4/X-Box 3 in a few years, but that's just Nintendo being Nintendo.

#36 Posted by JasonR86 (9605 posts) -

Yes. Mostly because 'next gen' is such a fucking dumb term that is utterly pointless at this point anyway. Also because this is the 'next generation' of Nintendo home consoles. So, yeah, it's 'next gen'.

#37 Posted by Willy105 (4688 posts) -

Not much of a debate against Wii U to be had here, other than "lol graphics". Wii U came out in 2012 to compete with the PS4 and whatever MS does in the following half-decade. It's feature set and goals are similar to the PS4 (other than graphics), and I imagine the next Xbox to share many things with it, just as the PS4 will share with it and the Wii U will share with it.

#38 Posted by Daveyo520 (6651 posts) -

It is more like a half step.

#39 Edited by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -

@winternet said:

What does "next gen" even mean now? People should stop using that term.

It's a shorter term for "next generation". (Sarcasm alert!)

Then by the very definition of the word, the Wii U is Next Gen since it is the next generation of hardware compared to what came before it.

#40 Edited by hiono (48 posts) -

technically yes but its gonna turn into people saying like with the wii i cant just have this because all third party games are the "lite" versions so should i even get it.

#41 Edited by Hunkulese (2641 posts) -
#42 Posted by Cold_Wolven (2210 posts) -

Unfortunately when I think next gen the Wii U doesn't come to mind even if it technically is so I'm gonna say the console is more of a half step than an actual generational leap.

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#43 Posted by Mrsignerman44 (1100 posts) -

Yes, how can anyone judge it when they haven't even seen anything near it's full potential?

#44 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4152 posts) -

Good! I want a next-gen Wii-U anyway.

#45 Posted by TheHT (10875 posts) -

"THE NEXT GENERATION (sorry Wii-U) IS HERE!!"

#46 Edited by jdh5153 (1034 posts) -

I consider the Wii U to pretty much be two gens ago.

@Mrsignerman44 Simple. It can't even run Black Ops II on par with the 360 and PS3, it has no potential.

#47 Posted by Silver-Streak (1337 posts) -

If we're talking about proper definitions and not crazy fantalk, then yes. It is part of the ~8th generation of game consoles. The "Current" generation was approximately the 7th. Therefore the WiiU is next gen. The Wii was next gen too, compared to the PS2/Xbox/GC. If we're talking about whether it is a Next Generation powerhouse, then no. Like the Wii, it's a step diagonally rather than a step straight up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(eighth_generation)

#48 Posted by Huey2k2 (486 posts) -

I voted yes, because sure, it's the next generation of Nintendo console.

That doesn't mean I think it is good or want one though.

I am actually starting to get very worried about the future of Nintendo.

#49 Posted by Gamer_152 (14051 posts) -

I think the Wii U has to be called "next gen" because when you're talking about generations, you're not referring to the power or quality of the system, you're referring to a new iteration of a system, or at least when the system came out. The Wii U is the next significant iteration of the Wii, therefore it's next gen. I don't think that terms like "True next gen" really mean anything.

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#50 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

Who owns a Wii U and has been playing it as their main console since launch? Anyone?

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