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The Nintendo Wii is a home video game console released on November 19, 2006. The Wii's main selling point was the innovative use of motion controls that its signature Wii Remote and Nunchuk controllers allowed for. It became the best selling home console of its respective generation of hardware.
Wii HD: It's already there and you just don't know it
It helps to read the post. I say that it certainly can in theory. There's nothing in there which says ... [more]
Wow, pretty good read. I imagine HD means more than just a 16:9 aspect ratio, since if it was just that, I could cite the Saturn as being able to produce HD graphics.
Pepsiman said: It helps to read the post. I say that it certainly can in theory. There's nothing in there ... [more]
jNerd said: Pepsiman said: It helps to read the post. I say that it certainly can in theory. There's nothing ... [more]
The Wii will never, EVER be able to output HD resolutions and have it run a decent framerate. Current generation consoles PS3 and 360 have enough problems and they have far stronger CPU's and GPU's not to mention way more ram.
CPU | Graphics | Memory | |
Nintendo Wii (2006) | IBM Broadway 729MHz 256KB L2 2.9 GFLOPS 1.9 GB/s Bus | ATI Hollywood 243MHz 975M Texels/Sec 3MB Buffer (27.3 GB/s) 7.9 GB/s Memory | 24MB (3.9 GB/s) 64MB (4 GB/s) 512MB Flash 8.5GB Optical Discs |
PS3 (2006) | Cell 3.2GHz 1 Main Core 512KB L2 7 Auxiliary SIMD Units 1.75MB Local Memory 217.6 GFLOPS 25.6 GB/s Memory | NVIDIA RSX 500MHz 24 Pixel Pipelines 8 Vertex Pipelines 250M Polygons/Sec 12G Texels/Sec 8G Samples/Sec 20.8 GB/s Memory | 256MB (25.6 GB/s) 256MB (20.8 GB/s) 20-80GB HDD 2x Blu-ray (72Mbps) |
Xbox 360 (2005) | IBM Xenon 3.2GHz Three Cores 1MB Shared L2 115.2 GFLOPS 21.6 GB/s Interface | ATI Xenos 500MHz 48 Unified Pipelines 500M Polygons/Sec 8G Texels/Sec 16G Samples/Sec 10MB Buffer (256 GB/s) 22.4 GB/s Memory | 512MB (22.4 GB/s) 20-120GB HDD 12x DVD (133Mbps |
The problem is that making an image crappier in order to make the res go up isn't solving anything. It's similar to why 360/ps3 games don't do 1080p often
Here's the thing many people don't seem to understand about resolution : While there are technical limiting factors like DAC (digital analog conversion) and RAM, resolution is more dependent on WHAT YOU'RE RENDERING than anything else.
Now, there's obviously also software limitations, maybe hardware (I don't know enough about how Wii handles signals, but we do know that you can't select 720p output right now).
However, current Wii games will NEVER run in HD on a Wii. PC emulation requires a lot more power, so even if Nintendo introduced new hardware, it still probably wouldn't be capable of running current Wii games in HD.
The only hope for future Wii games in HD will be in games with less intense graphics, and Nintendo supporting higher resolutions with some kind of firmware update. That's completely possible, but not likely.
The Wii IS technically limited. Wii fans tend to thing there is some mysterious hidden power. No, there is not. The Wii is in many ways even more technically limited than the Xbox 1.
Here's the thing many people don't seem to understand about resolution : While there are technical limiting factors like DAC ... [more]
Diamond said: Here's the thing many people don't seem to understand about resolution : While there are technical limiting factors ... [more]
The Wii is not built for HD output, it would not allow for HD graphics of the quality we see today to be displayed for prolonged periods, because it was never designed to. It's a lowly powered device in all areas of it's composition. It's already tested to the very limit with some current software.
The Wii HD does already exist, but only as a new console. A early build of the technology has already been shown to select developers, along with demo's of software. This was revealed last year.
The Wii HD will not just be about providing HD graphics.
The Wii is not built for HD output, it would not allow for HD graphics of the quality we see ... [more]
I'm sure all the game companies are always planning their next move, and Nintendo was certainly not sure that Wii would be a success. They might have even thought the sales would suddenly slump, so they were probably planning a recovery if necessary. That's nothing unusual.
However, it would be business model suicide for Nintendo to release a Wii 2 / Wii HD now. Additionally there are technical impossibilities / impracticalities unless you're talking about a completely separte new system. That's why Wii HD is a myth.
@Linkyshinks: Thank you for re-surfacing that GamePro article. I seriously don't see why people think the Wii HD is a ... [more]
It's definitely not a myth, but at the same time it's not within Nintendo's current business plan to release it anytime soon. It was only shown to Nintendo's best licensed developers so they can plan projects for the future, with a clear idea of the specifications they will have to work with. That's exactly what they failed to do with the Wii. Developers got a huge shock when they saw the specs for the current Wii, many had assumed that after the GC Nintendo would aim to raise the specifications significantly, leap frogging the competition. Some of the best developers had projects already down for Nintendo, but those games immediately got shifted onto other platforms. (I still wonder what those games were)
I think people should keep in mind something here, Nintendo has had consoles out in the past that have been thee most powerful in their generation, and Nintendo could well do so again in future.
Nintendo have done an amazing job after the dark (purple) days of Gamecube era, Nintendo's business plan has been a masterstroke, that cannot be disputed. The fallout however is that it was never going to sit well with some fans... They have also expanded the audience with Wii, fulfilling one of it's prime console aims. (console aims of the current machine were clear to see for anyone that was interested on Wii.com 3 months prior to launch)
The only question now is, what do they do with their newly expanded audience, and their new loyal fans?. I am looking forward to E3 to find out.
Linkyshinks said: The Wii is not built for HD output, it would not allow for HD graphics of the quality ... [more]
Who said it did?, I just grabbed that GamePro link because it came up first in my search. I could have easily pointed out what Matt Casamathingy has heard from his sources.
Diamond said: Linkyshinks said: The Wii is not built for HD output, it would not allow for HD graphics of ... [more]
Normally I don't even consider a single rumor source of any kind. It just doesn't hold any water.
As you say yourself :), the next console is always in the works.
As I say above, Nintendo have been more prudent this time around, choosing to show first party developers and a choice few others some of the foundation technology the next console will use.
"A early build of the technology has already been shown to select developers", along with demo's of software.
Are you actually seeing a positive difference from the Wii in those videos? Especially the first is like, standard gametrailers (or whatever site) videos mashed together to show the comparison between the GC and Wii version. It's also a false comparison as the videos may well be of inherently different quality, being from different places. It's not running in an emulator. I think that proves it's all psychological than practical differences... They also run @ only 30 fps on YouTube, no? That's instantly twice as bad as on the Wii.
I don't think any upgrade is coming. Maybe waaaaaay down the line like the DSi, as a "stealth Wii 2" release, like I believe the DSi is a "stealth DS2" thanks to its upgraded specs. But probably not at all. If they're gonna upgrade its power to be able to output the current games on 720p, what would stop the game devs from making the games run @ 480p yet with better actual visuals, frame rate, more stuff happening, and subsequently badly gimping the standard Wii version? It just wouldn't end well, unless it's like the DSi where eventually they plan to have exclusive titles that fully take advantage of its capabilities and leave the DS behind.
It gets on my nerves people discuss like it's gonna be unveiled next year or something. It only deters people from buying the Wii if they think a new console is coming. You'd be surprised how many less, uh, core users take such rumours as fact, especially if their supposed to be knowledgable of games friends say so. The Wii is doing great, it's not getting replaced or upgraded any time soon...
Are you actually seeing a positive difference from the Wii in those videos? Especially the first is like, standard gametrailers ... [more]
I honestly could not care less..I only posted them to see what others reactions to seeing them are.
Sadly, I get the general opinion that if the Wii could do HD, some developer would have already attempted or tried it at this point. Right now my only knowledge to something practical has been emulation via Dolphin.
I wouldn't be surprised if some middle ground solution regarding an HD-Wii was made. The concept of additions to console hardware has a rightful stigma attached to it. I think when most people think of something akin to a console "upgrade", immediate thoughts of the Genesis on life support appear. To predict what Nintendo may do in the future, it's good to counsel the past.
Nintendo hasn't fared well in this category either. The N64 had two expansions, a disk drive that never took off, and a bizarre expansion pack that was moderately successful.
As for releasing multiple iterations of hardware, under the same brand name, within a sort period of time after each other is another story. GameBoy anyone? I think we will eventually get a completely different console with the name "Wii" branded on the side of it. Nintendo clearly isn't playing by traditional console rules anymore, so why is a traditional life-cycle for their console still being upheld? The Wii is still one of the fastest selling pieces of hardware out there, and even if a HD version is released, an entire demographic I'm not part of (As Nintendo has stated.), would still pick up the old version.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that the next Wii will be played with a brick. An actual brick. Don't ask me how or why, it's a way "next-er" generation games will be played.
hey, that was a nice read, pepsiman. and yeah, it definitely COULD happen...
but nope, it never will...
might as well read that too, not entirely on the subject but close
http://revoeyes.blogspot.com/2007/09/wii-is-more-powerful-than-xbox-gamecube.html
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