-Sillent Hill Shattered Memories  
-New Super Mario Bros Wii (will sell gradually) 
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers 
 
and Nintendo will release Zelda Spirit Tracks, but alas that is not on Wii. 
 
Nintendo already won this holiday quality wise.

Naoto should dominate December.

It'll do OK, but I think the MW2 domination will carry over into December some as well. Kind of a toss-up in my mind at the moment.

" It'll do OK, but I think the MW2 domination will carry over into December some as well. Kind of a toss-up in my mind at the moment. "

That's quite a bold statement to make. I'll still say MW2 will carry on over Christmas along with the other bigger titles. Still, I'll think the Wii would do grand over Christmas since they always seem to sell well.

Sorry, but none of those new releases (besides NSMBW) for the Wii are going to sell a lot. Look at past "M" games, even Madworld, and sales aren't going to go through the roof. The fact that I was unaware of a new FFCC (that's not a good name either...you shouldn't repeat Crystal two times!!!) probably doesn't signal a good future for that one either.
 
However, Zelda: Spirit Tracks will sell very well I am sure, though probably not as much as Phantom Hourglass because, well....BOATS N HOS!!! Not trains!!!!
 
EDIT - I missed a key word up there...whoops.

" @emkeighcameron said:

" It'll do OK, but I think the MW2 domination will carry over into December some as well. Kind of a toss-up in my mind at the moment. "

You'd think that everyone that wanted Modern Warfare 2 would have bought it by now in the huge rush at launch, but crazier things have happened. "

" @emkeighcameron: MW2 sold a lot already, it is already selling less per week than NSMBW, check VGchartz. "

I'm sorry, did you say something? I'm Oscar Mike!

" @RHCPfan24: I do not mean sales exactly, more so the greatest games. 
 
@emkeighcameron:    : ] "

Well, seeing as I still have to pick up Borderlands, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2, Dragon Age: Origins, and much, much more in the back catalog, I'm thinking that my 360 will get a ton more playtime than my Wii.

Isn't crystal chronicles coming out on December 26th? That's such an odd marketing technique. Whenever someone starts selling a product the day after Christmas, it feels like a desperate move to grapple up the cash from all those gift returns.

" Isn't crystal chronicles coming out on December 26th? That's such odd marketing technique. Whenever someone starts selling a product the day after Christmas, it feels like a desperate move to grapple up the cash from all those gift returns. "

" Nintendo already won this holiday. "

Downplaying the first home console Mario game with purely 2D gameplay in something like a decade is stupid. As is calling Crystal Bearers just another Chronicles game considering how much of a departure from previous outings it is. As for the sales, it's less than 400k down from last year's sales, not half a million. But it's still more than other systems so I don't see what you're getting at with this. You're saying Nintendo doesn't win because they can't compete with their past self, despite destroying the competition? Your subjective talk of what game is or isn't worthy makes no difference in sales (the Wii has plenty more than the occasional Rabbids game), and that kind of stuff always come up when discussing Wii sales, but it's still consistently beating the competition by a large margin in the US, and holding its own in the significantly smaller market that is Japan.
 

U.S. Hardware Sales, October 2009

1. Wii 506.9K
2. Nintendo DS 457.6K
3. PlayStation 3 320.6K
4. Xbox 360 249.7K
5. PSP 174.6K
6. PlayStation 2 117.8K

Dominating December is not a big deal unless you're talking strictly sales.  Nintendo will probably dominate the sales charts in December, but that's to be expected.

My post wasn't a response to you, it was for the dude above that. Only the last paragraph is about your post.

Who cares?

Who cares?

" @JeffGoldblum said:

Who cares?

He does, and he made a thread to say his opinion and show his excitement for 3 games he wants. If you don't care, why read and post? Troll. "

Not caring would be a lack of opinion for the subject which is stated better if you don't post at all. Also, I didn't say I hate anything.

" @Dalai: dominating quality wise  "

" @Al3xand3r said:

" @JeffGoldblum said:

Who cares?

He does, and he made a thread to say his opinion and show his excitement for 3 games he wants. If you don't care, why read and post? Troll. "

I posted to state my opinion on his opinion. If you hate my post why reply? Troll. "

Speaking of safe bets, I bet air will continue to be popular amongst mammals!

Silent Hill Shattered Memories -- I'd rather play Silent Hill 2
New Super Mario Bros wii -- I'd rather play Super Mario World
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers -- God that title is terrible, anyway, I'd rather wait for Final Fantasy XIII
Zelda Spirit Tracks -- I'd rather play Zelda Phantom...wait! NO! No I'd rather not bother with Zelda DS games. 
 
Whatever, I got a wii, it's just collecting dust, only thing out there I may get is Rabbids Go Home. None of those titles seem interesting at all for me.

" @demontium said: 

" Nintendo already won this holiday. "

Your logic here is flawless, I must say.  3 games, one of which will be mediocre (it's a Silent Hill game, come on!), one that repackages childhood nostalgia, and another Final Fantasy Chronicles game, means that Nintendo WINS the holiday?  Seriously?  I mean, it's not like Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, Assassin's Creed 2, Borderlands, Left 4 Dead 2, and Dragon Age: Origins (just to name a few) came out all within the past few months and on non-Nintendo home consoles. I totally agree with @RaikohBlade: The Wii might have a good game here and there.  A Rabbids Go Home or yet another Super Mario game.  But the home console market is getting eaten up by the other two consoles that consistently move out top-tier titles.  Spin the Thanksgiving Wii sales however you want, but realize that a half-of-a-million units is DOWN significantly from previous Wii sales.  And their games sales figures are not doing well. "

"@demontium: I don't see it as a turning point for third parties. Wii will NEVER have a turning point for third parties.  I'm a Wii apologist. I go out and buy any game that even TRIES to make itself have an identity that's not "i dunno, waggle is fun, isn't it?". So far, I think I've only missed Deadly Creatures and Dead Space.  And these games fail. It doesn't matter how good they are, how not-M-rated they are, these games get destroyed. Most Wii owners don't want these games. They're content to watch stuff happen when they move their magic stick. Final Fantasy and Mario are sure sells, but I'll be surprised if Silent Hill manages to even break HALF a million. For god's sake, look at Punch Out. People go apeshit over their memories of that game and it was still pretty miserable. Oh, man...  now i'm depressed."

I already addressed your nonexistent point about Dead Space in the last comment. No, it's not a "bigger title" at all. Also to pretend that it's the fault of GREAT casual games like Wii Sports Resort that we get shovelware is stupid. Nintendo makes great quality titles for the most part. If more companies made GOOD casual titles then they also deserved to sell (Boom Blox did). But Nintendo doesn't only make such titles. Why haven't they tried to replicate Super Mario Galaxy and make a grand platform game? Why not an Action RPG like Zelda or an FPS like Metroid Prime 3? What, a million sales isn't enough considering the lower development costs of the platform? What about the 8 million of Galaxy? Companies are just serving a self fulfilling prophecy and people like you buy into it without looking at the obvious bigger picture. It took insane amounts of investment for them to understand the "HD" market and exploit it (though there are plenty of flops on HD games, and tons of studios have shut down or dissolved or been acquired this generation thanks to said flops), but they don't invest anything in understanding and exploiting the Wii market. Good for Nintendo. Bad for them. Still, there's a sign of hope for some companies like CAPCOM and NAMCO and Square with games like Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces and Dragon Quest X. If more jump aboard the money train is up to them, not Nintendo or misconceptions about the Wii audience.

I didn't say they aren't related, I said it's stupid to blame great games like that. If companies make shovelware in hopes of matching them, it's their fault, and success won't be guaranteed so they should try and do better. Nintendo doesn't (usually) make shovelware, hence their success! How that came to mean that third parties should only make shovelware on Wii is beyond me. As for your trolling of NSMB Wii, well, I disagree. Why do I need to name "more" third party successes? I did several. My point was third parties don't make enough worthy games, enough effort to exploit the market, and the ones that do that perform well. If there aren't more such titles, how do I mention more? Why don't you mention good, big games like Monster Hunter 3 that did poorly on Wii and in doing so attempt to prove your nonexistent point for once? How about that then? Not with jokes like Dead Space: Extraction mind you, or niche games that perform well for what they are and wouldn't perform better on any other platform. Please. I love good niche games and I love that the Wii gets so many but to say they would do better elsewhere or Wii doesn't sell "big" games is ignorant.

I doubt it. The quality games released in November for other systems will carry over to December and they will still "dominate". The only title of the ones you mentioned that's undoubtedly a quality title is the super mario game. And when you put that up to the competition of AC2 & MW2, I think it falls short. Then again, I'm not a huge mario fan so I guess that depends on the person.

"Downplaying the first home console Mario game with purely 2D gameplay in something like a decade is stupid. As is calling Crystal Bearers just another Chronicles game considering how much of a departure from previous outings it is. As for the sales, it's less than 400k down from last year's sales, not half a million. But it's still more than other systems so I don't see what you're getting at with this. You're saying Nintendo doesn't win because they can't compete with their past self, despite destroying the competition? Your subjective talk of what game is or isn't worthy makes no difference in sales (the Wii has plenty more than the occasional Rabbids game), and that kind of stuff always come up when discussing Wii sales, but it's still consistently beating the competition by a large margin in the US, and holding its own in the significantly smaller market that is Japan.
 

U.S. Hardware Sales, October 2009

1. Wii 506.9K
2. Nintendo DS 457.6K
3. PlayStation 3 320.6K
4. Xbox 360 249.7K
5. PSP 174.6K
6. PlayStation 2 117.8K

November will be even better seeing that Thanksgiving sales already beat October! Nintendo loses because last year they did better? Laughable. That's the only spinning here, not demontium's post. And October didn't have a Thanksgiving burst of sales to cling to, not that Thanksgiving only works for Nintendo or anything, you'd think a boost would happen for all systems as Nintendo doesn't own holidays.

That said, Crystal Bearers and Silent Hill will not be big sellers (CB is coming Dec 26th?!). But that doesn't mean Wii and other software won't be.Of course demontium clarified he's not even talking about sales (so I don't know why he's mentioning New Super Mario Bros Wii since it's already released and doesn't count for December) so this little debate is useless and nobody can really tell him he's wrong since it's his opinion and if he likes those games, great for him, I hope he can get all of them for the holidays then. Have fun whatever you all end up playing on any system. "

Those are the games that should dominate December? I'd bet that the Xbox/PlayStation owners have a backlog of quality games waiting to be purchased as gifts.

Depends on how you view it.
 
In sales: Yes, the Wii will dominate all consoles on the market, be it 360 or PS3... but we knew that, no big shock.
 
In titles: Yes, in December they have better releases. The Saboteur and Guitar Hero Van Helen are the only things with any hope of traction to come out for 360 and PS3, so..
 
The holiday season: No, are you mad? The strongest Wii title is NSMBW, and while that's better than last year, it's the only noteworthy title they have.
 
Quality-wise: the only reason why Wii should dominate December is because Sony and Microsoft don't want it. They already claimed the three months before.

I refuse to be dragged back into this thread.  There is far too much mud-slinging going on in here.  When you start calling people "pathetic" or "ignorant" when they're clearly not is a sign that this is no longer civil discourse or debate.  I can tell when people are arguing for the sake of arguing.  It's a shame TC left out the word "quality" (even though it is still very debatable that those three titles will be on a scale grander than the other non-Nintendo releases this quarter) until 10 hours ago, 'cause then this whole fucking mess could have been avoided.  
 
Make love, not war.

" @Romination said:

"@demontium: I don't see it as a turning point for third parties. Wii will NEVER have a turning point for third parties.  I'm a Wii apologist. I go out and buy any game that even TRIES to make itself have an identity that's not "i dunno, waggle is fun, isn't it?". So far, I think I've only missed Deadly Creatures and Dead Space.  And these games fail. It doesn't matter how good they are, how not-M-rated they are, these games get destroyed. Most Wii owners don't want these games. They're content to watch stuff happen when they move their magic stick. Final Fantasy and Mario are sure sells, but I'll be surprised if Silent Hill manages to even break HALF a million. For god's sake, look at Punch Out. People go apeshit over their memories of that game and it was still pretty miserable. Oh, man...  now i'm depressed."

That makes no sense at all. Cheap niche games don't sell big, news @ 11. That's a very stupid and ignorant point I'm sorry to say. Silent Hill doesn't need to break half a million either. It's not an AAA Konami game, it's a cheap little game made by a studio that's mostly been involved with ports and budget titles so far. Also, you should look at the sales of the last Silent Hill game that wasn't on Wii (Origins & The Room) and tell me why it should sell so much better on Wii to prove it can sell games when the franchise has failed so badly on the other current systems. If Dead Space didn't sell then EA did something wrong like I don't know, provide a game nobody fucking wanted. A spin off of an underperforming franchise that wasn't on Wii, a lightgun shooter when the original was a survival horror game. Who the fuck asked for that? To pretend the genre doesn't sell on Wii is also stupid when other titles like House of the Dead 2 & 3, Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead Overkill have done well for themselves. Clearly something was wrong with how that game was handled. And you pick that to show games don't sell but ignore the several others that did well? Lol. Games that are handled right sell on Wii. Monster Hunter 3 isn't a low-budget version of Monster Hunter, or a shitty on-rails spin off, and therefor sells just as well as the franchise always has. On Wii. Plus monthly fees. Plus low development costs compared to HD systems. The same success will continue for other games that are handled right with respect to the franchises and their fans, like Tales of Graces and Dragon Quest X. That is all the data you'll need. Ninendo games don't sell just because of the brand or the marketing (otherwise explain games that aren't marketed anymore still topping the charts) they sell because of their consumer value. If more companies offered that, they too would do well. They don't. "

More like Q1 domination. 
 
No More Heroes 2 
Sin and Punishment 2 
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom 
Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces  
Red Steel 2 
Fragile 
Monster Hunter Tri

" I refuse to dragged back into this thread.  There is far too much mud-slinging going on in here.  When you start calling people "pathetic" or "ignorant" when they're clearly not is a sign that this is no longer civil discourse or debate.  I can tell when people are arguing for the sake of arguing.  It's a shame TC left out the word "quality" (even though it is still very debatable that those three titles will be on a scale grander than the other non-Nintendo releases this quarter) until 10 hours ago, 'cause then this whole fucking mess could have been avoided.    Make love, not war. "

I wouldn't call that domination.  They don't look like terrible games but whatever.  I am not interested in Silent Hill.  I will probably pick up New Super Mario Bros. Wii, but not any time immediately.  I liked the first Chrystal chronicles because of its unique direction from the mainstream titles.  This game surprisingly isn't an RPG but an Action/Adventure game.
 
@Knives said:

" More like Q1 domination. 
 
No More Heroes 2 
Sin and Punishment 2 
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom 
Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces  
Red Steel 2 
Fragile 
Monster Hunter Tri

"