So an interesting thought came to my mind today, would you buy SSBB again if they improved the online? But everything else in the came would be the same. The improvements would be:

If the game shipped like that and let us play cross-continental random matches I wouldn't of sold my Wii.

Are you talking about rebuying the game?  If so, hell no!  This game was shipped broken and it was a known issue that they for some reason didn't let out on the weekly dojo update?!?! 

Seriously, this game was not even worth $50 dollars that I paid for it.  Melee IMO was worth the $50 dollars with the better graphics, tons more characters, improved and more varied levels, more items, better single player...ect!  Brawl should have came with voice chat standard, the ability to host matches and invite friends from your friends list.  Not dropping players 2 out of every 3 matches...ect.

And tripping?  Why?  That just makes the came even more casual for the haters.

There's not much to improve upon on Brawl, it plays great in online, but those new stuff you suggest would be great!

If it simply had the option to play 1v1 I'd be happy.

I wouldn't really care much, because nothing beats playing Smash Bros with actual people in the same room. Local Multiplayer is where the game is at, really.

if so i might buy a wii again and then that. but the reason i sold my wii in the first place is because, well i was always on my 360 with xbox live, and i just like the 360 alot better

"If the game shipped like that and let us play cross-continental random matches I wouldn't of sold my Wii."

There's no inexcusable lag in Brawl, it's one of the better fighting games in regards to that. It's not as simple as a FPS to get beat em ups to work properly, hence why most either ommit online modes, or aren't as great in them. Local multiplayer is where it's at for such games. Leaderboards would be good, no reason to stop using friend codes though. Would be nice if all games used the Wii's friend code however, instead of have their own.

"no reason to stop using friend codes though.

"Al3xand3r said:

"no reason to stop using friend codes though.

There is every reason to stop using those retarded pieces of shit.

No, I wouldn't buy the game again. It goes Melee, Brawl, and then the Original in terms of overall Smash Bros. quality. What should have been an opus was not even as good as the previous title. Oh well."

I don't see a large difference between a number and a nickname along the lines of supa1337killa1983 in other networks. Added functionality in games to add to friend lists from within a game's interface during a public match would be good, and the same goes for the ability to have the Wii's friend code as default for all games instead of acquire a unique id per game, as I already said and you ecided to crop, but these are mostly altogether different matters. Friend codes are fine.

"I don't see a large difference between a number and a nickname along the lines of supa1337killa1983 in other networks. Added functionality in games to add to friend lists from within a game's interface during a public match would be good, and the same goes for the ability to have the Wii's friend code as default for all games instead of acquire a unique id per game, as I already said and you ecided to crop, but these are mostly altogether different matters. Friend codes are fine."

"I wouldn't really care much, because nothing beats playing Smash Bros with actual people in the same room. Local Multiplayer is where the game is at, really."

"I don't see a large difference between a number and a nickname along the lines of supa1337killa1983 in other networks. Added functionality in games to add to friend lists from within a game's interface during a public match would be good, and the same goes for the ability to have the Wii's friend code as default for all games instead of acquire a unique id per game, as I already said and you ecided to crop, but these are mostly altogether different matters. Friend codes are fine."

It seems that the most vocal of the commenters haven't even experienced what they're talking about, as usual in the Wii boards. You certainly don't have to input the numbers every time you want to play.

"It seems that the most vocal of the commenters haven't even experienced what they're talking about, as usual in the Wii boards. You certainly don't have to input the numbers every time you want to play."

I would in a heart beat, even though I would have to restart my game again.

"Are you talking about rebuying the game?  If so, hell no!  This game was shipped broken and it was a known issue that they for some reason didn't let out on the weekly dojo update?!?! 

Seriously, this game was not even worth $50 dollars that I paid for it.  Melee IMO was worth the $50 dollars with the better graphics, tons more characters, improved and more varied levels, more items, better single player...ect!  Brawl should have came with voice chat standard, the ability to host matches and invite friends from your friends list.  Not dropping players 2 out of every 3 matches...ect.

And tripping?  Why?  That just makes the came even more casual for the haters."

Did I respond to your comments? No, so why do you once again quote me out of context to make another nonexistent point about how much of a fanboy one is or isn't? Everytime you want to play with a "new" friend per game is different to "every time you want to play" period, and that's what I clearly responded to. As for your last comments, it's more the lack of the features you mention that's the problem and not the friend codes. Having usernames instead of codes but still lacking the features you mention would be pretty much the same problematic interface. They could and should add some of these features in future games, but that doesn't have to mean the lack of friend codes, which aren't the real issue.

For me Brawl is a game meant to be played on a saturday night with your friends and a lot of pizza, so i could care less about the online.

I Brawl a lot anyway. The things you suggest are pretty cool, but I'm satisfied enough with it already.

As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii."

"As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii."

Because let's face it who wouldn't prefer the comfort of xbl or psn

"As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii."

"PureRok said:

"As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii."

Why?"

Leaderboards?  Everybody knows that gamers don't like that type of thing.

"Leaderboards?  Everybody knows that gamers don't like that type of thing."

"So an interesting thought came to my mind today, would you buy SSBB again if they improved the online? But everything else in the came would be the same. The improvements would be:

- Voice Chat with the Wii Speak

- You could search for players in a lobby

- Online tournaments

- No lag

- Leaderboards

- No Friend Codes

It would cost 30 bucks. Personally I think I would.

"

Yeah. Probably.

"There's not much to improve upon on Brawl, it plays great in online, but those new stuff you suggest would be great!

"

"As far as I'm concerned there is no online multiplayer on the Wii."

"Twilight said:

"So an interesting thought came to my mind today, would you buy SSBB again if they improved the online? But everything else in the came would be the same. The improvements would be:

- Voice Chat with the Wii Speak

- You could search for players in a lobby

- Online tournaments

- No lag

- Leaderboards

- No Friend Codes

It would cost 30 bucks. Personally I think I would.

"

What you're asking for isn't possible. Nintendo can't use Xbox Live, silly!"

If people don't get to enjoy the likes of Mario Kart Wii online just because it makes them feel better to claim the Wii has "no online" then it sure isn't my loss. As for laggy games, blame the developers, not the system. The Wii just happens to use a lighter approach, only offering internet access and leaving it up to the developers to offer the features they want.

There's no good reason for online gaming to fail working properly, other than the developers themselves.

PC games don't have a centralised system either, yet you see many companies doing wonders with online gaming. Most people still consider PC online gaming superior, even if we take MMO titles out of the equation. Before Steam came along many games already offered features like buddy lists, auto updating and matchmaking built directly into them, and many still do it outside Steam. Why can't developers do it for the Wii, given all their past experience on such platforms? No effort gets no results.

Besides, they have to create many things from scratch for their PS3 and 360 online games also, netcode and server support isn't provided by Microsoft or Sony as each game needs its own system, you can't retrofit it in other games. All those two companies offer is the centralised features outside the actual gameplay. That's why, as many have said, there are laggy games on the 360 also, a given platform doesn't magically make things work without development effort.

Back to the Wii, Mario Kart Wii and Medal of Honor Heroes 2 both have great online gameplay. Sure, the former is a first-party title, but Heroes 2 is a lazy PSP port, so there's really no excuse for other developers to do worse than that game. None at all.

Battalion Wars 2 worked really well also, and that's a launch title. Sure, you can't have many players, but it still has to sync all the AI troops so it's a well made game. I hear COD: WAW has decent online play too (looks pretty smooth on YouTube videos too) but that's crippled more with the baffling lack of  modes and features found on the other versions, than the lack of smooth gameplay.

Beat em ups are especially tough to work well due to the nature of their gameplay, prediction methods as seen in FPS or racing games wouldn't function. I don't know if some newer CAPCOM or other company's titles have managed to work magic, but I'd honestly be surprised if you could show me one beat em up that works smoothly online. I think Nintendo did ok with SSBB's 4 players.

We just need a few more companies to start offering some good online experiences for the rest to realise they can make more money when we don't feel we settle for less. Just like there has been an increase in quality core Wii titles thanks to a few big studios that first made the jump. Hopefully ,The Conduit can be a step to that direction, but we'll have to wait and see.

i wish Valve did some Wii development, they have great netcode. A  -- slightly, some shaders, maybe ragdolls and such -- scaled down Counter-Strike: Source for $20-$25 would certainly be achievable on the Wii. A pure gameplay showcase to become the precursor to bigger things. It seems financially sound too, as they could also sell that engine. The Unreal Engine 3 inherits many of its good traits to all the titles that use it, and it's often the engine of choice for 360/PS3 projects. Source Engine based titles on Wii could share similar qualities and be a good choice for many studios, but Valve is already too busy with numerous projects, they're not a gigantic company.

I would only play SSBB again if it had the same speed as Melee, which is includes wavedashing. Brawl is the slowest Smash thus far and I fail to be wow'd by any combos in Brawl anymore.

Probably, I haven't even touched the game in a long time.

It is the Wii's problem, don't try to make it sound like it isn't. Also, don't even, ever, try to make it sound like playing online on PC is barely a step up above the Wii. It just shows nothing but huge ignorance.

I never said it's barely a step up, I said PCs offer the best online experience, and went on to praise the incredible work certain companies have done on it. Try reading properly. I also said that the Wii can (not that it has so far) also offer a great online experience, simply because it's true. It's up to the game developers, try dealing with that simple fact better.

The Wii has all online play requires, because it really doesn't require much. An internet connection is pretty much it and the Wii offers one just fine, it's not like you can fault it for having a dial up modem like the Dreamcast did.

The only related thing the Wii does lack is a hard drive, but that only means games would require a little extra testing time to make sure they aren't shipped with the amount of bugs Gears of War 2 had for example. I bet most people prefer less patches and better games out of the box anyway, even on systems which do have hard drives. I know I prefer that on my PC at least, after all, if I pay for a game, I want it to play well now, and not by next year.

Other than that, it's up to the game developer to make visuals the system's specs can handle with many characters on-screen for the multi player modes. But hell, I haven't seen a laggy online Wii game lag because of that anyway, most games only have connection lag thanks to crappy netcode, not merely visual lag, which would actually be more bearable and not interfere as much. After all, most run fine in single player with similar (or identical in the case of SSBB) levels of visual load as on multi player. Multi player often has less processing load since AI calculations are excluded.

Anyway, why don't you enlighten us as to the Wii's magical inherent inability to have online games that play well? I hope you'll claim something along the lines of its weaker specs or the lack of a hard drive, so that I can laugh my ass off. But hey, maybe you're onto something so, I look forward to a response, even though I doubt I'll get anything concrete, judging by your comment above.

Nope.  the only way i would go back is if they released another game.