Sensor Bar placement and an LCD tv (for the OCD in all of us)

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I wanted to collect some opinions on this, Mainly being LCD and sensor bar placement, Its pretty much a given that i will have to place the sensor bar underneath the TV before when i owned the Wii i placed it on the top of the system taking painstaking measures to measure the exact width of my tv, marking it, measuring the exact length of the sensor bar and centering it exactly.

My question being in that im so OCD about it do you notice the system being more accurate with exact placement or does it really matter? If i was going to put the sensor bar ontop of the tv it wouldn't be a problem but it being an LCD and having a oval base its going to be far harder to get it exact.

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@WilliamRLBaker: It will still work great even if you don't get it exact. Just try to do the best you can :)

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Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect.

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@WilliamRLBaker said:

" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "

I doubt Nintendo would design a product where it won't work correctly if it isn't dead center. Your waggle control should work just as well, but I can see the OCD thing getting in the way.

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I always wondered why there wasn't some sort of calibration mode... but then, I have a fairly limited understanding of exactly what the Wii is looking for in the IR sensor bar.

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@AndrewB said:

" I always wondered why there wasn't some sort of calibration mode... but then, I have a fairly limited understanding of exactly what the Wii is looking for in the IR sensor bar. "

its basically a infared light that tells the remote its relative position to the sensor bar.

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@WilliamRLBaker said:

" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "

Not to be the grammar police or anything, but you don't seem to mind imperfect grammar. Is your OCD just highly selective?

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@Azteris said:

" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "
Not to be grammar police or anything, but you don't seem to mind imperfect grammar. Is your OCD just highly selective? "

I've just found it to not be worthwhile to have Perfect grammar online since pretty much no one has it, and really it affects nothing since most people have no problems understand each other online in a forum.
Its not like i can't use proper grammar just that i don't care enough to do it. since its pretty much proven that one doesn't need perfect grammar to be understood online unlike the issue at hand here, there's a possibility that it might not work to optimum performance.

Its all a matter of optimum working order, something that works as well one way i do that way, where as with the sensor bar there's all ways the possibility there are many different forms of OCD I think mine happening to be situational and spacial OCD like when I'm at tables at restaurants i tend to move things about for maximum space, Like if I'm able i put all the little dodads they have are the table like drink menus and flowers and shit on another table so as to have the most space.

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@WilliamRLBaker said:

" @Azteris said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "
Not to be grammar police or anything, but you don't seem to mind imperfect grammar. Is your OCD just highly selective? "
I've just found it to not be worthwhile to have Perfect grammar online since pretty much no one has it, and really it affects nothing since most people have no problems understand each other online in a forum.Its not like i can't use proper grammar just that i don't care enough to do it. since its pretty much proven that one doesn't need perfect grammar to be understood online unlike the issue at hand here, there's a possibility that it might not work to optimum performance.Its all a matter of optimum working order, something that works as well one way i do that way, where as with the sensor bar there's all ways the possibility there are many different forms of OCD I think mine happening to be situational and spacial OCD like when I'm at tables at restaurants i tend to move things about for maximum space, Like if I'm able i put all the little dodads they have are the table like drink menus and flowers and shit on another table so as to have the most space. "

They're both instances where it's a slight adjustment can (ideally) make everything work as smoothly as possible. Your Wii Sensor Bar will still work if it's slightly to the right, just like your grammar will probably be understand even if it's a little off of perfect. It's the same situation. Most people don't have their sensor bar exactly in the middle of the their TV too, but that's irrelevant.

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@Azteris said:

" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" @Azteris said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "
Not to be grammar police or anything, but you don't seem to mind imperfect grammar. Is your OCD just highly selective? "
I've just found it to not be worthwhile to have Perfect grammar online since pretty much no one has it, and really it affects nothing since most people have no problems understand each other online in a forum.Its not like i can't use proper grammar just that i don't care enough to do it. since its pretty much proven that one doesn't need perfect grammar to be understood online unlike the issue at hand here, there's a possibility that it might not work to optimum performance.Its all a matter of optimum working order, something that works as well one way i do that way, where as with the sensor bar there's all ways the possibility there are many different forms of OCD I think mine happening to be situational and spacial OCD like when I'm at tables at restaurants i tend to move things about for maximum space, Like if I'm able i put all the little dodads they have are the table like drink menus and flowers and shit on another table so as to have the most space. "
They're both instances where it's a slight adjustment can (ideally) make everything work as smoothly as possible. Your Wii Sensor Bar will still work if it's slightly to the right, just like your grammar will probably be understand even if it's a little off of perfect. It's the same situation. Most people don't have their sensor bar exactly in the middle of the their TV too, but that's irrelevant. "

You're thinking of "a slight adjustment 'that' can (ideally)..."

:p

On topic, I put my sensor bar in all kinds of crazy places and it seems to work pretty well wherever it is. It's just that when I have it above the TV I kinda have to stand up because otherwise i'm aiming the wiimote at the freakin' ceiling constantly. Also the way I found the dead centre of my tv was to turn the playstation on, then put picture-in-picture on splitscreen mode: a big ass line appears to make your day better!

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@Azteris said:

" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" @Azteris said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:
" Lets hope so or im gonna have to calculate the exact curve center of the oval base then replace it in the exact center of my tv stand >_< i hate math but i hate not being perfect. "
Not to be grammar police or anything, but you don't seem to mind imperfect grammar. Is your OCD just highly selective? "
I've just found it to not be worthwhile to have Perfect grammar online since pretty much no one has it, and really it affects nothing since most people have no problems understand each other online in a forum.Its not like i can't use proper grammar just that i don't care enough to do it. since its pretty much proven that one doesn't need perfect grammar to be understood online unlike the issue at hand here, there's a possibility that it might not work to optimum performance.Its all a matter of optimum working order, something that works as well one way i do that way, where as with the sensor bar there's all ways the possibility there are many different forms of OCD I think mine happening to be situational and spacial OCD like when I'm at tables at restaurants i tend to move things about for maximum space, Like if I'm able i put all the little dodads they have are the table like drink menus and flowers and shit on another table so as to have the most space. "
They're both instances where it's a slight adjustment can (ideally) make everything work as smoothly as possible. Your Wii Sensor Bar will still work if it's slightly to the right, just like your grammar will probably be understand even if it's a little off of perfect. It's the same situation. Most people don't have their sensor bar exactly in the middle of the their TV too, but that's irrelevant. "

It doesn't matter if my grammar is imperfect people are going to be able to understand me regardless unless they are stupid and then they wouldn't understand even if my grammar was perfect. People with perfect grammar can understand because they have perfect grammar therefor would be able to understand, and those with imperfect grammar are used to imperfect grammar and therefor would understand.
I've found and even science backs up that the basic understanding of a language system is usually enough to get your point across to people of native speaking of that language such as the experiment where they take a sentence and in each word they keep the beginning and last letter the same and change the rest and people usually have no problem figuring out what the sentence says because a native speaker is comfortable with a language their brain tends to compensate.

the Wii's sensor bar not being placed perfectly in my mind could cause for non-optimum results in the motion sensing and it really ties into the whole spacial and situational OCD where things may work but in my mind they do not work at the most optimum.
P.S: any way why your bringing it up really in the end i cannot figure out most OCD isn't factual in that people find problems because of the way their brain works not because of actual problems but with the problems they perceive like when a person most cover their mouth after each letter said in a word during spelling bee's its a quark not an actual problem, or when people must lock and unlock a door because they perceive the door as not being locked right....the lock works fine but in their mind its perceived it does not.

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@AndrewB said:

" I always wondered why there wasn't some sort of calibration mode... but then, I have a fairly limited understanding of exactly what the Wii is looking for in the IR sensor bar. "

There is, it even lets you set the size of the sensor bar relative to the TV by adjusting an orange (I think, it's been a while) bar on-screen, which helps you place it exactly in the center. I don't think it affects most games though (but it's not like I've tested, I only did it once), those who need it have their own calibration in-game, like lightgun shooters who need a lot of tweaking to get the remote to aim like a lightgun instead of like a... distanced mouse. But only those games. FPS don't need it because you don't really "aim", you just drag a cursor around with slight wrist movements, as opposed to extending your arm and treating it like a gun in lightgun shooters (assuming one has a gun shell of course).

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Do you shape your beard with such accuracy?

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When I got my Wii, I put my sensor bar to the right of my center speaker, and I've never had problems with it. It's probably a good foot and a half off center.

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It doesn't matter whether your sensor bar is exactly at the center of your TV, unless you plan on playing arcade shooters with 1:1 calibration. For cursor purposes, it doesn't matter. What matters, though, is the sensivity and noise. Go to options, sensor bar, "sensivity". You will see two bright dots. Those are the three IR LEDs on each side of your sensor bar. Point the Wiimote at the center of the TV in a way that you're comfortable with (not "arm stretched out"), and then move the sensor bar until the two dots are in the middle of your TV image. There should only be two dots, and they should flicker slightly. If there are any more dots in the area you will move the Wiimote around in (try it out), then that's noise that confuses the 'motes IR camera and should be done away with. Either look for causes (reflections, IR sources, bright sunlight) or adjust the sensitivity of the camera with the slider until only the two dots are visible.
That way your sensor bar should be placed and calibrated as good as it can be.

Personally I found that sensor bar placement above the TV works better than below, because most of the time you'll be using the 'mote from your lap, pointing up, which is more comfortable with the sensor bar placed on top, plus there are significantly fewer cases of noise and obstruction if the sensor bar is not placed at table / tv foot level.

Unfortunatly, not all games offer calibration screens (like FPS/on-rails games) or height adjustments (like Zelda has).

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@Keyser_Soze said:

" Do you shape your beard with such accuracy? "

yes when i have a beard i try to make it shaped perfectly.

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Do you know what, off topic but, I have one of those Samsung TVs with the transparent border around the edge - I had to blu-tack the bloody sensor bar on the top of my TV. Darn you Nintendo.

It's worth it for HotD: Overkill mind.

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Oh well when it came down to it I've all ready calculated the exact center curve of the oval base, and the exact center give or take of the tv stand so ill be able to get it centered.

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@get2sammyb said:

" Do you know what, off topic but, I have one of those Samsung TVs with the transparent border around the edge - I had to blu-tack the bloody sensor bar on the top of my TV. Darn you Nintendo.It's worth it for HotD: Overkill mind. "

But it has sticky feet of its own...Take off the paper cover?

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OMG I forgot my tv swivels on its oval base! *cries*

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@WilliamRLBaker:

If your TV Swivels, all you need to do is find the centre of your base if it's to be positioned at the bottom of your TV. I don't see how measuring the centre of a TV is difficult. Personally, I just throw the sensor bar wherever, in a semi-centered manner, because technically speaking, how the wiimote tracks positioning isn't as precise as you're trying to be.

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It would be OCPD. I know, I have it. Aren't I the lucky one? Seriously, I spend hours getting my chair in-line with my TV stand... not so fun...

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@Hitchenson said:

" It would be OCPD. I know, I have it. Aren't I the lucky one? Seriously, I spend hours getting my chair in-line with my TV stand... not so fun... "

Obsessive Compulsive Positioning Disorder?

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@Azteris said:

" @Hitchenson said:
" It would be OCPD. I know, I have it. Aren't I the lucky one? Seriously, I spend hours getting my chair in-line with my TV stand... not so fun... "
Obsessive Compulsive Positioning Disorder? "

Nah, Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder. It's where you have a routine of doing things, and everything has to be done right. It's normally only in one space though, for me; my room. I'm pretty certain OCD is the "HOLY FUCKING SHIT GERMS" thing.

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@WilliamRLBaker: I just put two candles next to my t.v. works like a charm!

OK, I don't actually use this method but hey, it's possible. : )

Sorry for the double vids. : (

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Post by WilliamRLBaker (2,517 posts) See mini bio

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@Hitchenson said:

" @Azteris said:
" @Hitchenson said:
" It would be OCPD. I know, I have it. Aren't I the lucky one? Seriously, I spend hours getting my chair in-line with my TV stand... not so fun... "
Obsessive Compulsive Positioning Disorder? "
Nah, Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder. It's where you have a routine of doing things, and everything has to be done right. It's normally only in one space though, for me; my room. I'm pretty certain OCD is the "HOLY FUCKING SHIT GERMS" thing. "

OCD=Obessive compulsive disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorder

I have not been clinically labeled as OCD i just refer to my self as this because of certain quarks i have with certain situations in my life.

@Fbomb said:

" @WilliamRLBaker: If your TV Swivels, all you need to do is find the centre of your base if it's to be positioned at the bottom of your TV. I don't see how measuring the centre of a TV is difficult. Personally, I just throw the sensor bar wherever, in a semi-centered manner, because technically speaking, how the wiimote tracks positioning isn't as precise as you're trying to be. "

Its difficult because your dealing with both flat surfaces and oval surfaces.
with the tv stand it self it is very easy to find the center of the tv stand since the front is flat one only has to measure.
the oval base though is much harder because one not only has to align the front of the base with the measurements one has made on the tv stand they then must maintain the angle of the oval it self which would be far easier if it were a square or rectangle.
then once that is done one must maintain the angle swivel so it is inline with the tv stand since the sensor bar is rectangluar and is far easier to align with the tv stand.

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Yeah... no. What you've said about yourself is OCPD not OCD. I've been professionally diagnosed with this for about two years now, and OCPD and OCD are quite different disorders. So linking me to a wiki article isn't going to prove straight up fact wrong.

Just curious, are you only like this in your room/house/everywhere?

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@Al3xand3r: Yeah but it wouldn't work because the surface isn't flat. If you imagine, the top of the TV is curled and then it's raised up by the glossy border, so I needed something to bridge the gap, which I did with blu-tack.

It looks absolutely fine though and it works perfectly so I'm not complaining. :)

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Post by Al3xand3r (6,828 posts) See mini bio

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What about the bottom of the tv, you can also stick it upside down, it doesn't matter to the remote's sensing. I'd guess that's curved too though.

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Post by WilliamRLBaker (2,517 posts) See mini bio

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@Hitchenson said:

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Yeah... no. What you've said about yourself is OCPD not OCD. I've been professionally diagnosed with this for about two years now, and OCPD and OCD are quite different disorders. So linking me to a wiki article isn't going to prove straight up fact wrong.
Just curious, are you only like this in your room/house/everywhere?

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Obessive compulsive disorder covers a range of disorders where a person has quarks and or invulentary routines based around feelings of wrong. it doesn't matter what your doctor calls it it still falls under the disorder catagory of Obessive compulsive, Its right in the name, Obessive. Compulsive.
Any obessive routine or quark you are compelled to do by your own psyche.

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