Do Wizards and Mages Have Equal F****d Up-ness Detection?

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#1 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
So me and Kyreo were discussing the validity of somehow associating "I'm a wizard and that is fucked up" with this here avatar. No specific plans yet, but first we need to decide if it is appropriate or not.

Now, Wikipedia files mages and wizards under the same heading, but of course you can't trust anything on Wikipedia. We need experts on the case, so I turn to you GB community. Do mages and wizards have equal authority when it comes to fucked-upness? If that red mage said "I'm a mage and that is fucked up," would you in fact accept that it is, indeed, fucked up?

I'm tempted to say yes but given that Final Fantasy tends towards mages, and Square-Enix is one of the worlds top producers of fucked up stuff, we might not be able to trust them quite as much. It would help if we could define what the exact difference between a mage and a wizard is. FUCKED-UP THINGS EXPERTS GO!
#2 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -

I fee like if gandalf the Grey told me that something was fucked up and a Red Mage said it was cool, I would trust Gandalf, despite my love for red mages.

#3 Edited by Enigma777 (6047 posts) -

Mages are just gay wizards so they can't be fucked up, only fabulous. 

#4 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
@Enigma777 said:
Mages are just gay wizards. 
Why don't you jump on Star Craft and say that shit agian! I will fuck you up >:3
#5 Posted by AlexW00d (6058 posts) -

Mages and wizards are different. Any prick who knows magic can me a mage; but a wizard has to be a wizened grey bearded badass motherfucker.

#6 Posted by Enigma777 (6047 posts) -
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
Mages are just gay wizards. 
Why don't you jump on Star Craft and say that shit agian! I will fuck you up >:3
Alright! We'll do it right now! I'm signing on as we speak! 
#7 Posted by EvilTwin (3324 posts) -

I tend to think of wizards as wiser than mages.  Gandalf, Merlin, and Dumbledore were all wizards for example.

So I would definitely trust a wizard more than a mage to tell me if something is fucked up.

#8 Posted by waitwhat (251 posts) -
#9 Edited by NegativeCero (2925 posts) -

I would say they have the same authority, because if they don't, where would you place sages, warlocks, or other magical dudes? It would be too confusing.

#10 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
@Enigma777 said:
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
Mages are just gay wizards. 
Why don't you jump on Star Craft and say that shit agian! I will fuck you up >:3
Alright! We'll do it right now! I'm signing on as we speak! 
ALRIGHT!  Let's do this!
#11 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -

No, wizards know more

#12 Posted by bellmont42 (306 posts) -

HEY GUYS CAN I PLAY TOO?!

#13 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
#14 Posted by bartok (2371 posts) -

Does it depend on the type of mage ?  Would a Black Mage have a easier time telling if something is fucked more then a White, Blue, or Red Mage?  What about Summoners, Warlocks, Sorcerers, Conjurers, and Sages?
What if you are Wizard with an elemental specialty like Fire or Ice does that affect your ability to tell if something fucked up ?

#15 Posted by AlmostSwedish (536 posts) -

Let's beak this down:

Mage: 4 letters
Wizard: 6 letters, two of which are "z" and "w", commonly known to be among the coolest letters in the alphabet.


There you have it, white on black.

#16 Posted by waitwhat (251 posts) -
@Kyreo: it's still a similarity/difference. do they have similar levels, different levels, different types of fucked-upness detection, etc.
#17 Posted by Jimbo (9708 posts) -

It only works if you have a beard and a pointy hat, and if a mage had a beard and a pointy hat then they'd be a wizard.

#18 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@Yanngc33 said:
No wizards, know more
And now it's a rap.

Wizard's might know more, but do they know more about fucked up-ness? The flipside to my argument would be that because mages are around fucked-upness all the time, they know more about it.

And why do Wizards know more? Do mages turn into Wizards when they know more than other mages, or do you people who train to be wizards just know more than mages? Do you have to pick a specialty in Wizard early on?
#19 Posted by jaycee13 (523 posts) -

Since I have read so many pdfs on exorcism, sexual alchemy and satanism, you could consider me a fucked up mage. I think wizards are those who have studied magic officially where as mages have studied and practiced magic of their own accord.

#20 Edited by Vorbis (2748 posts) -

Sorcerers > Wizards > Mages >  Neophytes


In that order.
#21 Posted by Management (596 posts) -

Mages and Wizards can detect different levels of fucked upness. A mage can be anyone who knows magic so they can detect fucked upness but not to the degree that a wizard can.

#22 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@waitwhat: It's like the difference between a thread comparing Halo with Killzone, and comparing the assault rifles in Halo and Killzone. One might technically fall under the other, but they are two completely different discussions.
#23 Posted by Ramone (2931 posts) -

I seem to have the reverse of the opinion of a lot of people here. I see Harry Potter as a Wizard and Gandalf as a Mage. Wizards are the pussies of the magic world, they don't know shit and their fucked up-ness detection is minimal whereas Mages are some raw dog motherfuckers, they die and they just come back with a different cloak and some badass spells and take on fucking dragons and shit AND they have fucking beards. The combination of all this means their street smarts and fucked up-ness detection is some high level shit. They know when Aragon and King Rohan are about to get fucked up and then they charge down a 90 degree incline to introduce some of their own fucked up-ness on some ugly ass orcs, also they got giant ass eagles and even wizards know that shit's fucked up. In conclusion Mages > Wizards in terms of fucked up-ness detection every day of the week. Potter ain't got shit.

#24 Posted by waitwhat (251 posts) -
@nintendoeats: a discussion comparing the assault rifles in halo and killzone is comparing halo with killzone. this is like the pc screenshot thread that was locked because of the video game screenshot thread.
#25 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@Management: are there perhaps different types of fucked-upness, and might a mage better at detecting some of them? For example:

If somebody is looking at child pornography that is FUCKED. UP.

If somebody writes something down wrong then they fucked up.

Then there is everything in Bayonetta...man, that game is so fucked up.

I'm sure there are other kinds, but mightn't mages be better at detecting that last kind? I mean, they are more layed back right? They would probably be all like, dude, that's fucked up.
#26 Posted by billnyethesciencepie (1332 posts) -

give dave a sorcerers hat, give brad A DILDO HAT


DAVE IS FUCKED, BRAD IS UP

BOOM
#27 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -
@nintendoeats said:
@Yanngc33 said:
No wizards, know more
And now it's a rap.Wizard's might know more, but do they know more about fucked up-ness? The flipside to my argument would be that because mages are around fucked-upness all the time, they know more about it.And why do Wizards know more? Do mages turn into Wizards when they know more than other mages, or do you people who train to be wizards just know more than mages? Do you have to pick a specialty in Wizard early on?
Whoops, screwed that post up, I mean mages know more than wizards
#28 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@billnyethesciencepie: 0_0
Must...convince...Kyreo...to do this...

@Yanngc33
So what you meant was:

No mages, Know more.

Must...write...this...song...
#29 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -
@nintendoeats: Yes mages always know more
#30 Posted by Management (596 posts) -
@nintendoeats: Mages can detect fucked upness to a degree, while wizards can detect all sorts of fucked upness.

If you need a guy to notify you if a thing is fucked up, a mage is usually enough. But if you stumble over some high-level fucked upness you are going to need a wizard.
#31 Posted by Enigma777 (6047 posts) -
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
Mages are just gay wizards. 
Why don't you jump on Star Craft and say that shit agian! I will fuck you up >:3
Alright! We'll do it right now! I'm signing on as we speak! 
ALRIGHT!  Let's do this!
Grr! I hate you and your nidus wormness
#32 Edited by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@Management: Ok, got it. So what do mages get in exchange?

EDIT: As in, why would somebody choose to be a mage instead of a wizard?
#33 Posted by Sarkhan (1196 posts) -

Yes!
That is all.
Strap it on.

#34 Posted by Management (596 posts) -
@nintendoeats: Nothing, they are inferior to wizards.

The only thing you might argue is that most mages are younger, which I look at as a positive thing. 
#35 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
@Enigma777 said:
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
@Kyreo said:
@Enigma777 said:
Mages are just gay wizards. 
Why don't you jump on Star Craft and say that shit agian! I will fuck you up >:3
Alright! We'll do it right now! I'm signing on as we speak! 
ALRIGHT!  Let's do this!
Grr! I hate you and your nidus wormness
#36 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
@nintendoeats said:
@billnyethesciencepie: 0_0
Must...convince...Kyreo...to do this...

@Yanngc33: So what you meant was:No mages, Know more.Must...write...this...song...
I will NOT wear a dildo hat.
#37 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -
@Kyreo: No no no...Brad is wearing the dildo hat. They are your possy. You drag them around with you to make you look cool. Red MAge is all like UH! I OWN THESE DUDERS.
#38 Posted by TehFlan (1944 posts) -
@Jonny7892 said:

I seem to have the reverse of the opinion of a lot of people here. I see Harry Potter as a Wizard and Gandalf as a Mage. Wizards are the pussies of the magic world, they don't know shit and their fucked up-ness detection is minimal whereas Mages are some raw dog motherfuckers, they die and they just come back with a different cloak and some badass spells and take on fucking dragons and shit AND they have fucking beards. The combination of all this means their street smarts and fucked up-ness detection is some high level shit. They know when Aragon and King Rohan are about to get fucked up and then they charge down a 90 degree incline to introduce some of their own fucked up-ness on some ugly ass orcs, also they got giant ass eagles and even wizards know that shit's fucked up. In conclusion Mages > Wizards in terms of fucked up-ness detection every day of the week. Potter ain't got shit.

While I see this the opposite way you do, and would therefore classify Harry Potter as a mage and Gandalf as a wizard, I must say that this post made my day.
#39 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5117 posts) -

Let me consult my dungeon master book...

#40 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -

well what kind of mage?

#41 Posted by Tennmuerti (7719 posts) -

Nothing is too fucked up for a sorcerer.

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