Microsoft May Be Preparing $99 Subsidized Xbox 360

#201 Posted by darkdragonmage99 (740 posts) -

I'm getting tired of hearing this is a bad deal especially from people who own a ps3 you know a 600 dollar console. 
 
paying 50 bucks more so you don't have to puny up the money up front could  let more people own these overly prices consoles. Which means more money for Microsoft and a larger install base which means more games for everybody.  
 
Yes I said overly priced the xbox 360 and ps3 are overly priced  

#202 Posted by dragonzord (811 posts) -

@darkdragonmage99 said:

I'm getting tired of hearing this is a bad deal especially from people who own a ps3 you know a 600 dollar console. paying 50 bucks more so you don't have to puny up the money up front could let more people own these overly prices consoles. Which means more money for Microsoft and a larger install base which means more games for everybody. Yes I said overly priced the xbox 360 and ps3 are overly priced

Where are you buying 600 dollar PS3s?

#203 Edited by darkdragonmage99 (740 posts) -
@zoner:  about 6 years in the past  
 
 
I'm not even saying this is that great of a deal for a xbox 360 but if this works they'll  more then likely do it  for the next console too. 
 look to the future man .  Which means the next generation wont be 400 600 consoles. 
#204 Posted by Brewmaster_Andy (520 posts) -

@pw2566ch: Don't forget the Kinect - that makes the base price $300, plus two years of Live at $120 = $420. Not far off from $459.

#205 Posted by Curufinwe (1232 posts) -

@darkdragonmage99 said:

I'm getting tired of hearing this is a bad deal especially from people who own a ps3 you know a 600 dollar console.

It's not 2007 anymore.

#206 Posted by darkdragonmage99 (740 posts) -
@Curufinwe: if you think  this stops at the 360 your wrong this will reduce the price of the next consoles at launch  more then likely and that's not a bad thing
#207 Posted by 71Ranchero (2671 posts) -

People appear to not be understanding the additional cost. This may not be a great deal overall but for some people on a fixed or low income this may be the only chance they have to buy one of these new in box. Sure it sucks that you pay more but thats the fee you pay for being able to get the product today and pay for it later. The same sales practice happens for just about all consumer goods.

This isnt a big deal and its certainly not a rip off or a scam.

#208 Edited by DrSwank (442 posts) -

@raikoh05 said:

whats the early termination fee? whether or not I jump in depends on if selling the kinect will pay for the fee.

I'm sure they've thought through all the hair-brained schemes gamers could ponder. I'm willing to bet that if you stop paying, it disables the console. Furthermore, this version xbox won't be able to even boot up without being conntected to the internet, insomuch that the console will phone-home before booting, informing Microsoft HQ that it is or is not a legitimately paying customer. If not, the console will not be allowed to boot. The kinect will also more than likely be tethered to that specific console, and will not work without that SPECIFIC console.

#209 Posted by Rohok (553 posts) -

Lmao... No.

#210 Posted by GoofyGoober (937 posts) -

@darkdragonmage99: Really 600 dollar PS3s? Come on man....

#211 Posted by jayjonesjunior (1085 posts) -

@mnzy said:

$15 for 24months and $99 for the box makes it $459. That's a terrible deal.

i'm pretty sure a 360 alone doesn't cost more than 99 to make and kinect is useless, MS is not being generous here, not a single bit.

#212 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

Hmmm... that's actually pretty smart. Surprised no one has done it sooner.

#213 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

This is no different than everything else just like this. You pay more in the long run in order to pay less now because you're poor. Fuck, even people with money do it with houses and cars.

#214 Posted by Xaviersx (157 posts) -

Looks like the 160GB PS3 with a Move controller is about 300 before taxes, over 350 if you buy the 320GB bundle ... at least in the BestBuy cart, not sure about any other accessories that would make the comparison, and not being a PS3 owner, can't attest to having the network info, not sure how the wallet works for network transactions . Otherwise, it falls back to where does a buyer feel they'll get the most bang for their buck, the content, the network, and their sphere of friends/competitors.

#215 Posted by KinjiroSSD (694 posts) -

If this is true, they will sell a buttload of 360s.

#216 Edited by m0nty (164 posts) -

I actually like the sounds of a model like this and think it could work for the next XBox. It would all have to balance out, but the Zune on XBox susbcription is great. I'd love games to be factored into that too. I've got way too many games taking up space in my son's nursery at the moment. A full DD service with a monthly payment structure would be very appealing.

At the end of the day it would be a much better way to get software attach rates up. People who would buy a lot of games would benefit and people who don't buy a lot of games commit to spending more than they usually would. If they got the pricing right it would all balance out. Production costs would be down as it would all be download service so there's theoretically more money for publishers. It destroys the used game market also.

And don't say it wouldn't work. It's more or less the same delivery system as iTunes, just on a monthly payment system.

#217 Posted by BootlessDragoon (13 posts) -

@mnzy: I'm not saying that its the best deal, but the gaming community is making it sound like a lot worse than it is. Yeah, XBL cards are $60 MSRP, but Amazon usually ends up selling them for $35.

#218 Edited by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

@Brewmaster_Andy said:

@pw2566ch: Don't forget the Kinect - that makes the base price $300, plus two years of Live at $120 = $420. Not far off from $459.

Aw... ok. Well, even with the extra $40, you're still better off buying the console itself for $300 instead of coughing up $15 a month.

#219 Posted by Cheiba (39 posts) -

I don't see who would take advantage of this. Why not just a price-drop!

#220 Posted by Bruce (5264 posts) -

@pw2566ch:

What if you can't afford the four hundred up front, but can afford the ninety-nine dollars and the monthly payments? Basic Rent-A-Center, lease to own mentality.

Four hundred dollars is a lot of money for most people to just spend in one go.

#221 Posted by gesi1223 (218 posts) -

@drewmaw said:

@raikoh05 said:

whats the early termination fee? whether or not I jump in depends on if selling the kinect will pay for the fee.

I'm sure they've thought through all the hair-brained schemes gamers could ponder. I'm willing to bet that if you stop paying, it disables the console. Furthermore, this version xbox won't be able to even boot up without being conntected to the internet, insomuch that the console will phone-home before booting, informing Microsoft HQ that it is or is not a legitimately paying customer. If not, the console will not be allowed to boot. The kinect will also more than likely be tethered to that specific console, and will not work without that SPECIFIC console.

Are you saying Xbox Slims will not work unless you have an internet connection for it? That's an extremely off-putting reason for me to buy one, if that's true.

#222 Posted by Brewmaster_Andy (520 posts) -

@pw2566ch: Why? How is spending $300 in one fell swoop better than $15 a month?

#223 Posted by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

@Bruce said:

@pw2566ch:

What if you can't afford the four hundred up front, but can afford the ninety-nine dollars and the monthly payments? Basic Rent-A-Center, lease to own mentality.

Four hundred dollars is a lot of money for most people to just spend in one go.

It's not $400 for the model they're offering, it's $300. Even then It's still worth it to raise another $100 just to get the 4GB Xbox 360 for $200. I mean, at first I thought this was a good idea for people that want a newer console, but there are still cheaper alternatives instead of paying $15 a month. Hell, Gamestop has a used Xbox 360 going for $130. And I'm sure there are people selling them for $100 on Craigslist.

#224 Posted by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

@Brewmaster_Andy said:

@pw2566ch: Why? How is spending $300 in one fell swoop better than $15 a month?

When you add it up in the long run, it is still cheaper. It's the 2 year agreement that make it that much more expensive.

#225 Posted by Brewmaster_Andy (520 posts) -

@pw2566ch: It's not much more expensive - it's only another $40 bucks over two years. The main point is that it is much easier for many to spend $99 and pay for the rest over time than to spend $300 up front.

#226 Posted by ThePhilanthropist (54 posts) -

They need to just drop the price of the console versus looking for a new way to get more money out of there customers with predatory pricing schemes. Also how are they going to enforce the $15/month subscription fee?

Subsidized is the wrong word for what's going on here.

#227 Posted by MonkeyKing1969 (2527 posts) -

@sleepykyle said:

Now, prepare yourselves... I'm about to do.... MATH!

yadda yadda yadda

Well, you guys are right, this is not a "deal" per say, but it's not a terrible amount of interest, you are essentially paying $80 of interest over 2 years for the pleasure of enjoying an Xbox 360 with 2 years of Xbox Live. I've seen much worse payment plans out there for cars, dishwashers, couches, Pawn Stars...

Of course, I did not include tax or anything in this analysis. Hope that wasn't too long and boring. Of course, I'll try to answer questions.

That was helpful. The only issue I would raise would be, In two years when you are free and clear of the contract where are you? We cannot know for sure, but the best guess is that by Oct 2014 the next systems will be out. The question is "Do people really get a deal from a device that is two years from obsolescence at that price?" That answer would vary from person to person, and will change even more after late Nov 2012 when Holiday sales prices start appearing. I woudl say teh price of XB360 and PS3 will drop by $30 to $50 come the holiday season

#228 Posted by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

@Brewmaster_Andy said:

@pw2566ch: It's not much more expensive - it's only another $40 bucks over two years. The main point is that it is much easier for many to spend $99 and pay for the rest over time than to spend $300 up front.

In cases like this though, it's not necessary. If I buy a video game console, I'm going to want to expect it to be paid off without having to worry about an early termination fee. So it may be a tad more expensive, but it's a retarded plan.

#229 Posted by YoungFrey (1321 posts) -

I'd say if you pay sales tax, that makes this less of a bad deal. Ignoring that tying into the 360 is not the best move. Where I live sales tax is 9.1%.

299.99 *1.091 + 59.99*2 = $447.27

The Microsoft deal is:

99 * 1.091+ 15*24 = $468

That is $20.74, which is frankly a deal when you consider it spread out over 2 years. So at least in my town it isn't horrible. And this ignores any interest you'd earn by saving those monthly payments instead of buying up front. But it's all academic, as nobody who cares about money pays $60 for Live.

#230 Edited by T_Diamond (20 posts) -

A new 250GB Xbox 360 Slim with Kinect cost about $300. The two year subscription (if both are paid with the $60 1 year voucher) is $120 ( or $160 if paying with the 3 month vouchers) so that's about $420-$460. This equals about $460. It's actually a pretty bad deal because it costs about the same for a lot less memory.

#231 Posted by FuriousJodo (114 posts) -

@ThePhilanthropist said:

They need to just drop the price of the console versus looking for a new way to get more money out of there customers with predatory pricing schemes. Also how are they going to enforce the $15/month subscription fee?

Subsidized is the wrong word for what's going on here.

It makes sense that it would basically be like any subscription service. If you cancel or terminate service you get billed for the full value of the console.

#232 Posted by killr0y (114 posts) -

Are you fucking for reals, Patrick? What sense does it make to sell a console for $99 with a $15 recurring charge, when the person who cannot afford $150 or $300 or whatever to pay the full ouright price for the console can't afford the $60 games to play on it? Microsoft wants people to buy games, not hardware. Do you think that they would really want to go after the 10-30% of the people for the rest of the money when their paycheck needs to go to groceries or tuition instead of that $15 monthly fee? Dumbest idea I've heard in a long time, and I can't believe you found it even remotely plausible.

#233 Posted by sins_of_mosin (1556 posts) -
@drewmaw said:

@raikoh05 said:

whats the early termination fee? whether or not I jump in depends on if selling the kinect will pay for the fee.

I'm sure they've thought through all the hair-brained schemes gamers could ponder. I'm willing to bet that if you stop paying, it disables the console. Furthermore, this version xbox won't be able to even boot up without being conntected to the internet, insomuch that the console will phone-home before booting, informing Microsoft HQ that it is or is not a legitimately paying customer. If not, the console will not be allowed to boot. The kinect will also more than likely be tethered to that specific console, and will not work without that SPECIFIC console.

Haha wow you are nuts.  There is no reason to do all that.  If a person stops paying, they will get a bill for the remaining balance.  If they don't pay, they'll end up with a collections notice and if they ignore that, their credit will be shot for many years.  I'm sure the profile they created with the Gold will be disabled so you simply make a new one.  Either way, you get a 360 and MS gets their money one way or another. 
#234 Posted by DrSwank (442 posts) -

@sins_of_mosin said:

@drewmaw said:

@raikoh05 said:

whats the early termination fee? whether or not I jump in depends on if selling the kinect will pay for the fee.

I'm sure they've thought through all the hair-brained schemes gamers could ponder. I'm willing to bet that if you stop paying, it disables the console. Furthermore, this version xbox won't be able to even boot up without being conntected to the internet, insomuch that the console will phone-home before booting, informing Microsoft HQ that it is or is not a legitimately paying customer. If not, the console will not be allowed to boot. The kinect will also more than likely be tethered to that specific console, and will not work without that SPECIFIC console.

Haha wow you are nuts. There is no reason to do all that. If a person stops paying, they will get a bill for the remaining balance. If they don't pay, they'll end up with a collections notice and if they ignore that, their credit will be shot for many years. I'm sure the profile they created with the Gold will be disabled so you simply make a new one. Either way, you get a 360 and MS gets their money one way or another.

Microsoft isn't in the business of "scoring collections" from countless people who never fully pay for their 360's. Microsoft isn't dumb. They want to make money, not lose it. If people stop paying, then the xbox is disabled (and I'm sure collections will be sent out as well). The impetus to have continuous paying customers is obvious.

#235 Posted by Swoxx (2988 posts) -
SuperSambo
on May 2, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
2 years?
I guess 2013 is the date for the 720

Math, how does it work!?

#236 Posted by Hellstrom (199 posts) -

Noone should spend anything on a console with no games to be honest.

#237 Posted by GozerTC (454 posts) -

You know I'd be interested in something like this for the NEXT Xbox, not this one.

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