So IE on Xbox is locked behind a Gold Sub? What!?

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#1 Posted by Korwin (2813 posts) -
Are they fucking serious with this?

So this image popped up on reddit a few days ago, not sure if it's been posted here or not.

Seriously... locking A BROWSER behind a pay wall is just about the dumbest thing I've heard of since I dunno, the announcement of IE for Xbox.

#2 Posted by Breadfan (6589 posts) -

This should't be surprising. It is Microsoft after all.

#4 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

Everything is locked behind Gold. The multiplayer portion of games you've already paid full price for is locked behind Gold. I expect nothing less from Microsoft.

#5 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

Not even a Gold subscription can make it compatible with Flash or Active X.

#6 Posted by Korwin (2813 posts) -

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Everything is locked behind Gold. The multiplayer portion of games you've already paid full price for is locked behind Gold. I expect nothing less from Microsoft.

True but they at least have the mild justification on the games front of providing the match making service and all that junk.

This is just straight up the fucking internet lol.

#7 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

Meh, IE sucks anyway.

#8 Edited by Akyho (1584 posts) -

@Korwin said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Everything is locked behind Gold. The multiplayer portion of games you've already paid full price for is locked behind Gold. I expect nothing less from Microsoft.

True but they at least have the mild justification on the games front of providing the match making service and all that junk.

This is just straight up the fucking internet lol.

It isnt that simple. It realy isnt so simple to just jam an ethernet cord into your modem or xbox and have internet. There is alot of stuff involved.....very little of which is Microsoft directly.

However I assume they still have to run some things back end, its still Xbox live at some point.

#9 Posted by Korwin (2813 posts) -

@Akyho said:

@Korwin said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Everything is locked behind Gold. The multiplayer portion of games you've already paid full price for is locked behind Gold. I expect nothing less from Microsoft.

True but they at least have the mild justification on the games front of providing the match making service and all that junk.

This is just straight up the fucking internet lol.

It isnt that simple. It realy isnt so simple to just jam an ethernet cord into your modem and have internet. There is alot of stuff involved....very little of which is Microsoft directly.

However I assume they still have to run some things back end, its still Xbox live at some point.

I'm not implying that the internet is magic... I know what's involved. However i'm willing to bet that the application itself doesn't tunnel through live at all, not unless they using some kind of server based web page pre-rendering like Amazon Silk to compensate for the Xbox's limited memory capacity (it's not hard to chew up 512mb of ram with a browser).

#10 Posted by Akyho (1584 posts) -

@Korwin said:

@Akyho said:

@Korwin said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Everything is locked behind Gold. The multiplayer portion of games you've already paid full price for is locked behind Gold. I expect nothing less from Microsoft.

True but they at least have the mild justification on the games front of providing the match making service and all that junk.

This is just straight up the fucking internet lol.

It isnt that simple. It realy isnt so simple to just jam an ethernet cord into your modem and have internet. There is alot of stuff involved....very little of which is Microsoft directly.

However I assume they still have to run some things back end, its still Xbox live at some point.

I'm not implying that the internet is magic... I know what's involved. However i'm willing to bet that the application itself doesn't tunnel through live at all, not unless they using some kind of server based web page pre-rendering like Amazon Silk to compensate for the Xbox's limited memory capacity (it's not hard to chew up 512mb of ram with a browser).

Yeah that is my figuring. That the xbox as a singular unit isnt very good for Internet browsing. It needs some support from MS Server HQ. That can be put down as maintenance cost.

Overall just assume Gold pays for maintenance for everything. That is what I do and my blood pressure stays low.

#11 Posted by liquidfox00 (29 posts) -

It is really stupid but sites like GB that offer HTML5 does work for video viewing although that's locked behind a premium wall as well although not even remotely the same thing.

#12 Posted by SomeDeliCook (2203 posts) -

Having to pay for a Gold account AND pay for internet AND pay for Netflix just so I can access my Netflix on my console was enough for me to just let my Xbox live run out. I haven't looked back since, I've been watching all my old DVD's on my big screen lately.

#13 Posted by Seroth (709 posts) -

It's ridiculous, but not surprising. I mean, you need Gold to use Netflix, which requires an additional subscription. That's pretty silly.

#14 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7039 posts) -

That's fucking hilarious. MS staying classy as usual.

#15 Posted by Ezakael (909 posts) -

I let my gold run out not long ago and have no plans to pay for it again. IE sucks so this really doesn't effect me, browsing the internet it completely pointless on a console for me because my computer is in the same room.

#16 Posted by Gamer_152 (14049 posts) -

This is certainly bad but by no means out of character for Microsoft. There are already subscription services separate from XBL Gold that are locked behind the Gold paywall.

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#17 Posted by zyn (2591 posts) -

@BraveToaster said:

Meh, IE sucks anyway.

#18 Posted by LordAndrew (14417 posts) -

"It's even easier on the web." Yeah, if you use a computer. Know why? Because the browser isn't locked behind a paywall.

#19 Posted by Video_Game_King (35797 posts) -

Xbox Live Gold: paying for quality services like Internet Explorer.

#20 Edited by Phatmac (5720 posts) -

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

#21 Posted by Humanity (8709 posts) -

So how many people own an xbox and DON'T have gold? One of the reasons I play on the 360 is because I like the controller better and I like Xbox LIVE a ton more than PSN. I game with friends and enjoy online gameplay so naturally I just get Gold and every year there is some sort of sale where you can get 13 months of Gold for like $30. Having a 360 and not having Gold is almost like owning a PC and not having it hooked up to the internet.

At this point in time I just don't understand why people still moan about Gold costing money. You've had years to make up your mind about this.

#22 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -

@Phatmac said:

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

Well, the Wii web browser is quite good (though of course not in HD). I would certainly use it if it let me watch GB videos on my Tv without making my PC more or less useless.

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#23 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Was anybody actually planning to use it anyway?

#24 Posted by yoshisaur (2606 posts) -

I think you being surprised about this is is more surprising than what you're surprised about.

#25 Posted by wrecks (2197 posts) -

If you use an Xbox and you do not have Gold, you are doing it wrong.

#26 Posted by believer258 (11557 posts) -

So... use a computer? You know, where you have good and proper Flash support? Among other things, like current technology and load times that aren't reminiscent of the stone age.

#27 Posted by believer258 (11557 posts) -

@Humanity said:

So how many people own an xbox and DON'T have gold? One of the reasons I play on the 360 is because I like the controller better and I like Xbox LIVE a ton more than PSN. I game with friends and enjoy online gameplay so naturally I just get Gold and every year there is some sort of sale where you can get 13 months of Gold for like $30. Having a 360 and not having Gold is almost like owning a PC and not having it hooked up to the internet.

At this point in time I just don't understand why people still moan about Gold costing money. You've had years to make up your mind about this.

@wrecks said:

If you use an Xbox and you do not have Gold, you are doing it wrong.

It costs.

Granted, I've been planning to switch to PC for a long time now and that will hopefully be coming to fruition soon, but money is money and Microsoft is charging for the same service that PSN and Steam are offering for free. I used to pay for Gold just to play with friends but I simply can't make myself do that any more. Even if I wasn't planning on switching, I wouldn't pay anymore for Gold. That's too much for things that should be free. Two or three years ago I could have made a case for Gold, but not with all of the Steam sales going on and the fact that the PS3 doesn't make you wait an entire minute or two to see your list of games.

#28 Posted by mrpandaman (864 posts) -

@liquidfox00 said:

It is really stupid but sites like GB that offer HTML5 does work for video viewing although that's locked behind a premium wall as well although not even remotely the same thing.

Why bring that up at all?

Anyways, yeah it's pretty dumb that it's a live-only featured, but yeah it's the way it is on Xbox. Better using internet on the PC than probably gimped internet on consoles.

#29 Posted by mordukai (7125 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Xbox Live Gold: paying for quality services like Internet Explorer.

HA!

#30 Posted by Toms115 (2314 posts) -

@Phatmac: porn, i imagine.

#31 Edited by 71Ranchero (2669 posts) -

Complain about an extra feature that you dont have to use then complain that the feature you said you didnt want is locked behind a pay wall. Yup sounds about right.

Just a heads up guys, Microsoft also killed your dog.

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#32 Posted by cmblasko (1106 posts) -

That is pretty silly, but it is in line with MS's philosophy regarding content availability on XBL. After requiring Gold for Netflix, I would be surprised if they offered IE to everyone. Won't get me to re-up my Gold subscription, that's for sure.

#33 Posted by Humanity (8709 posts) -

@believer258: You could say the same thing about Giant Bomb - other sites offer similar content for free - it's just a matter of what you're willing to spend money on. I can't believe people who would pay $50 a year so they can watch TNT's in archives and listen to Jeff talk about video games in his bedroom, wouldn't be willing to pay the same amount in order to play with friends on Gold.

Anyway as I said - it's just preference. If I didn't actively hate the PSN and how the PS3 dashboard worked, invites, friends list, messages - all of it literally - then I'd switch in an instant and play the same games with no gold cost. I own a PS3 actually and when I was moving from US to Europe I just brought it along, got a new power cable and was back to playing games in Europe on it, whereas I had to buy a whole new 360. There are pro's and cons but at the end of the day I don't want to have to use the XMB which I find to be awful.

#34 Posted by foggel (2763 posts) -
@Phatmac said:

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

To be fair, it's pretty good to be a console browser. But yeah, I'd rather use HDMI on my lapop and have a wireless keyboard and mouse by the sofa.
#35 Posted by killacam (1284 posts) -

at least microsoft know how to do one thing right: make sony look great.

#36 Posted by wewantsthering (1547 posts) -

It's stupid, but so is having IE on Xbox...

#37 Posted by Dad_Is_A_Zombie (1225 posts) -

@Phatmac said:

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

Precisely. If I want to browse the web I do what I'm doing now, get on my PC and use Chrome. This is pretty irrelevant news for me.

#38 Posted by Zacagawea (1577 posts) -

Hahaha, why are you surprised? Everything on the Xbox is locked behind Gold. Get the fuck over it already and don't support their bullshit if this is such a crazy thing to you.

#39 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Everything is locked behind Gold.

Fact.

#40 Posted by j0lter (225 posts) -

Paying for internet on a console at all is a dumb move of Microsoft. PS3 has the right idea in that regard: free internet<--

#41 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

There's a pretty good article on Kotaku recently going in depth on the differences between Xbox Live and PSN Plus right now. I've been an Xbox Live Gold member since before they were even calling it that and although I own a PS3 the only experience I have with Plus is that free trial we all got last year after the security disaster.

However, reading through the list of just what I'm getting with Live, it's striking just how much of it are services I couldn't care less about. I don't need to use Netflix on Xbox because * everything else* supports it now, the plethora of ESPN crap announced at every E3 generally doesn't even make it to this country, and given how slow the Xbox Dashboard is of late why on earth would I want to access the internet on it?

#42 Posted by believer258 (11557 posts) -

@Humanity said:

@believer258: You could say the same thing about Giant Bomb - other sites offer similar content for free - it's just a matter of what you're willing to spend money on. I can't believe people who would pay $50 a year so they can watch TNT's in archives and listen to Jeff talk about video games in his bedroom, wouldn't be willing to pay the same amount in order to play with friends on Gold.

Anyway as I said - it's just preference. If I didn't actively hate the PSN and how the PS3 dashboard worked, invites, friends list, messages - all of it literally - then I'd switch in an instant and play the same games with no gold cost. I own a PS3 actually and when I was moving from US to Europe I just brought it along, got a new power cable and was back to playing games in Europe on it, whereas I had to buy a whole new 360. There are pro's and cons but at the end of the day I don't want to have to use the XMB which I find to be awful.

On the topic of paying for Giantbomb - why couldn't I do that because I think the Bomb crew deserves it? Not so I can watch TNT's or Jeff talk in his bedroom, but because I want to contribute money to five dudes doing something I like so that they can continue to do it? Microsoft is a faceless company, but Giantbomb isn't and I think there's an important distinction there.

I should note that the above is hypothetical - my membership was gifted to me by an awesome person. I would not have bought it myself because I don't have a ton of money coming in.

#43 Posted by ptc (615 posts) -

I like having IE on the xbox for when the wife is using the laptop. Browser on the phone just doesn't cut it sometimes. IE is blazing fast on xbox, but it would be a ton more useful if it was Flash compatible.

#44 Posted by Humanity (8709 posts) -

@believer258: Again thats a personal thing. As much as I love GB, I don't see why paid memberships even exist anymore, and am secretly hoping they will reveal that they're dropping them during the Big Live Show. When it was a startup basement operation I understood that it was "help us make it!" and people did help. Well they made it - they're part of the largest entertainment media companies in the US. Paying members helped them get there and what deal they negotiated, well thats on them. Saying "hey your memberships help us keep doing extra cool stuff" I don't understand. At this point if it's just a matter of "it's extra money we could always use" then make it into a tip jar situation. If you want to donate then go ahead but all content should be available to everyone. It's very telling that in the earlier days people were all banded together and supporting the site and now in that will you re-subscribe thread you see a very clear 50/50 divide on long time yearly supporting members not sure if they will in fact sub up again.

But I digress, I've been thinking about this recently and needed to vent a bit.

#45 Edited by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1723 posts) -

It's funny if they think adding more services that should be free, to a paid service that should be free, makes them look better at all. If I go to a restaurant and have to pay extra for the cutlery, I sure as hell ain't gonna be more cheery when they decide to throw in the salt shaker as well. 

#46 Posted by Tharrington (127 posts) -

@Phatmac said:

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

This is exactly my thought. The fact that anyone even tried is amazing too me, you have to know it is going to be a terrible experience going in.

#47 Posted by Demoskinos (14512 posts) -

@believer258: Microsoft may be a "faceless" company but say if everyone started not paying for XBL and they started to hemorrhage money whats the first thing they do? Layoff the lowest tier employees. A.K.A the working class people. So lets not go thinking that just because its a faceless company that the lives of working class people aren't affected by them doing poorly.

#48 Posted by Humanity (8709 posts) -

@Vegetable_Side_Dish: and whats the deal with cable prices right?

#49 Posted by Spankmealotus (277 posts) -
@Phatmac said:

Why would anyone WANT to use a web browser on a console, especially IE?

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#50 Posted by DeanoXD (608 posts) -

I can't say exactly how i know this but trust me ie on 360 sucks balls its barely a web browser.

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