@ValiantGoat said:
Some people get too worked up about this shit, granted it is a legitimate issue/concern.What people don't seem to get is that if your console explodes, burns your house down, and/or rapes your parent(s) you can still take legal action. Really these types of user agreements don't count for shit in court.
Actually they do hold up in court now, specifically this aspect of the TOS/EULA. Like Patrick said in the first article the US supreme court recently held up one of these involving AT&T so they can no longer be sued by their customers in this way.
@TheGorilla said:
Pachter convinced me in one of his recent Pach-Attacks that in these cases class action suits are mostly scams lawyers pull to get rich. Doesn't help me at all. Class action suits in the kind of cases that would likely come up here would just be a group of consumers trying to get revenge but it won't actually accomplish anything.
If Microsoft fucks up they are going to do right by their customers. When Sony got hacked they gave all their customers a lot of free shit. Microsoft will do the same because they want to keep us happy. Eliminating class action suits is to keep lawyers from taking advantage of a situation for their sole gain. I don't really see Microsoft or Sony in a situation where they could cause us enough personal damage for a class action suit to be worthwhile in any way. But what do I know? I didn't study law so I don't know shit. I could be totally wrong. Pachter is just the only guy I know who has studied law and has commented on the issue.
Even if monetarily it results in a marginal amount that's not the point, the point is holding companies responsible for their products services and business practices. Things like this increasingly give companies more power than actual citizens and that's fucked up (ask a wizard they'll tell you). Some people can't fight for themselves for monetary, physical, mental reasons and more, should that mean that anybody without a law degree is subject to whims of a corporate board of directors?
Sure eventually MS started the RROD replacement program, but that took a long time, and many thousands got screwed in the meantime, Sony gave a bunch of free shit? Fuck that they gave a free trial of a paid service, which they should/would have done anyway to boost interest, and a bunch of games that had sequels coming out or just released.... Sooooo they used lost a bunch of personal and financial information, lied about it, and then offered us a bunch of advertising for reparations.
You say you can't see how this could ever be dangerous from these companies and maybe you're right, sure if your house catches on fire cause of a faulty power supply you can try to sue MS, but it's pretty damn easy for them to just say well you didn't use it properly, you had faulty wiring in the outlet etc. When 100-100,000 people come and say you burned down my house microsoft, everyone takes notice. I hate to say it but this is a slippery slope as well, even if risk is minimal with these companies (which I don't really agree with but whatever) this is several companies doing it now. More will follow, do you want to buy a home from some major contractor who can't be held legally responsible to the fullest extent if they fuck up? Buy a car, hell use an elevator? I know I don't I want companies to fuckng fear me as a consumer, not the other way around.
Here's the thing, if people keep giving up their rights like this, corporations will continue to walk all over us and everyone will be a second class citizen to a non existent entity. If I fuck up as a worker I am responsible, and that's fair, why shouldn't corporations (who are legally considered people) be held to the same standards?
TL:DR this behaviour is BS and I might just go pure PC next gen.
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