Do You Find the Mandatory Kinect Use Intrusive/Offensive?

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Posted by Akeldama (4255 posts) 1 year, 6 months ago

Poll: Do You Find the Mandatory Kinect Use Intrusive/Offensive? (367 votes)

Yes 70%
No 30%

I've seen this springing up over the past couple days and wanted to get a better idea of how the Giant Bomb populace felt about the forced implementation of Kinect in the living room. Are you nervous about privacy? Does the potential for MS to charge you based on how many people are in the room unnerve you?

Personally, I think it's utter bullshit.

#51 Posted by Marokai (3114 posts) -

@andorski said:

I thought MS came out with a statement saying that you can turn the Kinect off entirely.

Then why make it be mandatory for the system to function at all? That's my only problem with shit like this; there's no case for this stuff to be mandatory, and so it shouldn't be mandatory. That's the only thing I find offensive about this.

#52 Posted by DharmaBum (1049 posts) -

The only deal breaker for me is the Kinect having to be hooked up for the rest of the system to work. Not just for privacy reasons, but I have no interest in voice controls or waving my hands around. Buttons work just fine.

#53 Posted by jiggajoe14 (793 posts) -

I just picture on the other side Bill Gates watching me without pants on while I play Halo.

#54 Posted by Andorski (5352 posts) -

@marokai said:

@andorski said:

I thought MS came out with a statement saying that you can turn the Kinect off entirely.

Then why make it be mandatory for the system to function at all? That's my only problem with shit like this; there's no case for this stuff to be mandatory, and so it shouldn't be mandatory. That's the only thing I find offensive about this.

My understanding was the "Kinect is mandatory" idea was an incorrect rumor in the first place. I haven't kept up with this part of the Xbox One though, so I could be wrong.

#55 Posted by Adaurin (188 posts) -

Offensive only in that I'm offended they think I want to play Kinect games.

#56 Edited by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

Not even intrusive really, I just don't want it. Don't want it taking space on my desk (that's right, my DESK), drawing extra power, driving up this price of this thing, adding control gimmicks to multi-platform games à la Sixaxis, etc etc.

Sure, I'm not too keen on masturbating in the same room as this thing, but they've got to sell a new XBLA version of Uno somehow.

#57 Posted by PenguinDust (12601 posts) -

Creepy as hell, if you ask me. The whole set up is just ripe for misuse if given the opportunity. I mean, it's a camera that can see in the dark and a sensitive microphone that are potentially "always on" and connected to 300,000 servers. Yes, maybe nothing will come of it, but the potential still exists. I can't fathom why people are so willing to give up their right to privacy in their own homes.

#58 Posted by subyman (654 posts) -

I'm not camera shy or anything, but something about a camera focused on me all the time while I'm in my living room is a little creepy.

#59 Posted by MEATBALL (3398 posts) -

Seems a bit intrusive and it's a shame there's no option to go without it but I don't feel super bothered about it.

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#60 Posted by briangodsoe (487 posts) -

It's not a deal breaker, unlikely orwellian possible features aside, and if they actually improved the thing it could be alright. Just throw a towel over it if you're worried about Big Brother Microsoft watching you.

#61 Posted by phuzzybunny (173 posts) -

I don't find it intrusive per say. I just think it's dumb. I don't want a Kinect.

#62 Posted by TheUnsavedHero (1254 posts) -

My TV and game set up is in my small living room, so unless they fixed it so that I don't 8+ ft. of space to use it, I won't care. I'm still under the impression that we can still use the controller to navigate the menu stuff, right?

#63 Posted by Franstone (1149 posts) -

Doesn't bother me at all because I'm not crazy (entirely at least).
It's not like MS has a building full of people spying on every single Xbox user.
Never mind it would be totally illegal.
As far as all rumors about it detecting how many people are watching movies and the like, well, those are just rumors right now.
Kinect in general doesn't bother me and if it can enhance some experiences than great.
Obviously it's coming packed in with the machine to guarantee the install base for developers and system features.
C'mon E3!!

#64 Edited by EternalVigil (280 posts) -

I find it a little intrusive that it's on all the time, watching me while I sleep.

I also don't know if making the Kinect mandatory is a great idea. Ever since they announced it, kinect hasn't really proved itself as a system that has really had broad market appeal. Besides Kinect party and Dance Central they hasn't really been a game that used it that wasn't either poorly implemented or was a superfluous add-on that nobody used. With it in every Xbox One box, it's really on Microsoft to change people's perceptions of it.

#65 Edited by KiddoMac (33 posts) -

I don't worry about the webcam in my computer, because i have full control over it. since my mac isn't a totally closed off platform i can install small programs like little snitch which tell me precisely what goes over my internet-connection. so i don't have to worry there.

the problem with the kinect 2 is twofold

1. the government-conspiracy type problem. i don't really think it's very likely that homeland security or the nsa will be able to access all kinect at will and spy on everybody, but i can't be totally sure about that. the more important part ist part number 2.

2. microsoft openly said that they'll use data collected with the kinect 2 to bring it's customers "better offers and serivces" or something to that extend. think about it: tv through the xbox > xbox knows what channel you are watching > xbox knows how many people are watching > microsoft can tell company a with pinpoint accuracy how many people smiled at a precise moment during a commercial, or how many people got up and left the room, or if only daddy was watching etc. this is an analytical precision that even google can only dream of and it is worth millions of targetet advertisement-information. and it is coming!

THAT is why they push TV so hard instead of going with the more modern on demand-services like netflix. not that it won't have netflix, but TV is still the biggest advertising market IN THE WORLD!!

sorry, but i'm out.

ps. they don't want to watch us masturbate, but the DO want to sell us lotion and tissues!! also: everybody has something to hide: their privacy!!

#66 Posted by Mikewarrior (77 posts) -

This is a solid YES!!!

How do we know Homeland Security will not be using the device for spying on it's own U.S. Citizens?

#67 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

It's not a deal breaker, unlikely orwellian possible features aside, and if they actually improved the thing it could be alright. Just throw a towel over it if you're worried about Big Brother Microsoft watching you.

Causing any hindrance in the daily operation of the Xbox One Kinect unit will be considered an act of domestic terrorism.

#68 Posted by spraynardtatum (3514 posts) -

I just hope they ask politely whenever they want information from me. A simple "hey bro, can we tell some companies that you like this kind of game you're playing? Btw, nice pants! I'll forward you some ads for even better pants" would do!

#69 Posted by Jeff (3655 posts) -

I do most of my game playing in my bedroom, where I'll never have enough room for actual motion gaming. So the whole thing is a bit frustrating, but my current plan is to just have it hooked up and pointed away from the bed. Maybe the audio stuff will end up being useful, I don't know.

I've been pretty good about not being paranoid about the existing Kinect watching me (and have ridiculed my roommate for occasionally putting things over the camera because that's what a crazy person does) but... it's my bedroom we're talking about here. And it's a device that's designed to always been listening in some sort of low-power state. I'm not sure if I'll disable it completely or not, but... yeah, once they started getting into the camera checking your pulse and knowing if you're smiling or not I started getting a lot less interested in all of this.

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#70 Posted by Itwongo (1235 posts) -

Nope. Don't care. I'll turn it around and cover up the mic if I start.

#71 Posted by ModernAlkemie (368 posts) -

My feelings are pretty much the same as Kramer's when he and Newman reverse their apartment peepholes.

#72 Edited by Cubical (637 posts) -

Yes and also i dont want to find a place to hook that big ugly kinect box on my very thin wall mounted TV that is on a swivel arm there is nothing under it so it would be on the floor or I get a small table and I would have to move crap out of the way. the xbox one is ugly enough as it is it is going to be the first console I have ever covered with a sheet because it is too ugly and i don't want people to see it.

Also I dont like the fact I could lean on a controler and have video chat pop up with somebody on accident.

if i decide to hook the thing up in my bedroom and not the home theater room one day that is another problem

I fact I like to hook up my console in the bedroom more than anywhere else most of my consoles and gamestuff are in my bedroom . I have never hooked up a game console in the living room in my life. I dont have enough room for this kinect crap with all the stuff in my way either. I got a table for drinks and stuff in the home theater room and bed stuff in the bedroom

I like to go in there and play the game alone with nobody bothering me so I never hooked them in the living rooms. I don't know anybody that ever has hooked there console up in a living room area in the house either. I wall mounted speakers and TV in the bedroom for that reason ... Nobody wants to hear my game blasting from a sound system in the living room either it cuts down the noise.

No thanks microsoft I don't want your crap anymore if you decide to stop sucking so much I might get your sucktastic console. I will play xbox 360 and the 1st xbox from you and that is it.

I also put tape over the camera on my PC and unplug the cameras on anything else I buy for the same reasons. its not so crazy of you hit a button and accidently start a video chat at a bad time and not notice.

#73 Posted by jArmAhead (341 posts) -

No. I'm not a lunatic, and you can use a controller to do things the thing just has to be plugged in at worst. Oh no, another camera in my house. At least this one won't be coming into the bathroom with me or be in my pocket during spontaneous sex sessions.

I actually look forward to seeing if the Kinect really works for the dashboard. If it does, I'll be stoked. Requiring the hardware is the ONLY way to get it to be used right. Now that all devs can say "yeah, it's worth investing in because everyone has a chance to experience it," we'll have more brains working on the issues and those brains will share things at events like GDC and it'll make things improve more quickly.

The concept of the Kinect is awesome. If it lives up to that potential which it sounds like it might from early previews of the tech, that's awesome. If not, I just won't use it. Problem solved. If you're paranoid, put some electrical tape over the lens. And then go get a brain ya hippy!

#74 Posted by jArmAhead (341 posts) -

@mordukai said:

@zeforgotten said:

@leftie68 said:

My initial reaction to this poll was..."Really, what kind of concipiracy theory loon do you think I am, it is a video game device for crying out loud. Get over yourself." Then I moseyed on over to ign and found a link to this article...

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

Wow...is all I have to say. The fact that Microsoft is even thinking about this enough to patent it is mind-boggling.

There was a whole other thread regarding patents and stuff like that.

Just because they patented it means jackshit.

It's just another way of earning money in case some other company decides to do it.

It still shows the direction they want to take. On any case I don't think it's far fetched to see Sony doing the same sort of thing considering they also have a camera functionality on the PS4 and they also have a whole movie division.

Has it been confirmed that you'll have to "Kinect" (UGH...what a bad pun) the Kinect to the box?

Sony holds similarly fuckin' stupid patents, do not make this out to be about MS when it's just about every techy company out there pulling this. In fact, I think Sony actually has a very similar patent. I could be wrong about that but I am not wrong about them having scuzzy patents. It's just the business they operate in. And those patents are rarely an issue in the real world anyway. You're reading too much into something you don't really understand, if you ask me.

#75 Posted by BD_Mr_Bubbles (1702 posts) -

It is one of the two reason's I won't buy an X1. the other being that even if it wasn't intrusive and full of privacy issues. I'm in a wheelchair so unless its better than the original Kinect at handling that then its useless to me. No X1 at any point for me unless they make the Kinect 2 not a requirement to function and then sell a SKU without it.

#76 Posted by Missacre (566 posts) -

I think it's a gross invasion of privacy. It's not like we do anything illegal, but I like to hang around my house naked and my husband and I like to have "fun" in places other than our room, and we're not about to let some creepy NSA agent see us doing what's supposed to be private in the first place. So, no Xbone in this house as long as that Kinect thing is mandatory.

#77 Edited by lockwoodx (2479 posts) -

I'm a PC guy so nothing would sell me on either of the consoles, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the one without Kinect.

#78 Posted by Hector (3375 posts) -

It should be optional, I have no intentions in using the Kinect.

#79 Posted by OGinOR (325 posts) -

Holy tinfoil hats, Batman!

#80 Posted by Spongetwan (202 posts) -

I think it is funny that people don't want an electronic device "Listening" for a command but they don't mind believing in an invisible being that watches everything you do all day and punishes you for anything it deems bad. That includes watching you go to the bathroom and having sex...quite ironic, lol!

#81 Edited by spraynardtatum (3514 posts) -

@spongetwan: Are you talking about Santa or God?

Either way I don't think it's a very good argument or ironic.

#82 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@spongetwan: let's not bring religion into this.

I do not mind at all. Why? Call me crazy but I do not think I am interesting enough to be spied on. And no one else here is.

#83 Posted by falserelic (5480 posts) -

They can keep their spyware system away from me.

#84 Posted by alwaysbebombing (1627 posts) -

I have a question. Is anyone else tired of people getting so upset over the smallest provocation?

#85 Posted by alwaysbebombing (1627 posts) -

This is a solid YES!!!

How do we know Homeland Security will not be using the device for spying on it's own U.S. Citizens?

Because a lot of us aren't paranoid schizophrenics.

#86 Posted by spraynardtatum (3514 posts) -
#87 Posted by leftie68 (215 posts) -

This is a non-issue. The question should be, should the Kinect be a mandatory item in the Xbox One's packaging. Personally I won't get much use out the thing, however I do have a three year old son who loves his cousin's Kinect. I am not going to pretend that the Kinect will revolutionize but it is a nice accessory for some people (not all).

#88 Edited by OurSin_360 (941 posts) -

It's stupid and adds nothing to the games but they want me to shell an extra 100 for it? They just want to record biometric data for advertisers and possibly the NSA, it has shit to do with gaming.

@andorski said:

I thought MS came out with a statement saying that you can turn the Kinect off entirely.

I beleive they said you can stop it from sending data, but it has to be on for the xbone to function i think. But that was before the switched their policy so maybe you can now i'm not sure.

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