More info about MS and the NSA

#1 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Link

So it seems Skype had a deal with Prism before MS took them over.

They where also not the only one to hand over info. Yagoo, Apple, and Google also forked over info.

In a quote from MS.

We do not provide any government with direct access to emails or instant messages. Like all providers of communication services, we are sometimes obligated to comply with lawful demands from governments to turn over content for specific accounts, pursuant to a search warrant or court order.”

So it boils down to the government making them hand over the info. It was not them freely offering it to them.

#2 Posted by falserelic (5280 posts) -

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

#3 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

You think Sony will tell the government no if they come knocking?

#4 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

At what point am I able to sue the NSA because they know I have cancer?

#5 Posted by falserelic (5280 posts) -

@falserelic said:

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

You think Sony will tell the government no if they come knocking?

After thinking about it my ignorance got the best me, outside of the government issue. Sony is still the best way to go.

#6 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@the_laughing_man said:

@falserelic said:

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

You think Sony will tell the government no if they come knocking?

After thinking about it my ignorance got the best me, outside of the government issue. Sony is still the best way to go.

Just buy some big super magnets and be ready to scrub yer hard drives!

Also on a side note Facebook and some banks also forked over some information.

#7 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (4139 posts) -

Now, if I wanted to be of sound mind about this: What does it mean to the NSA if they found out I played Kingdom Hearts III?

#8 Posted by falserelic (5280 posts) -

Now, if I wanted to be of mind about this: What does it mean to the NSA if they found out I played Kingdom Hearts III?

It got me curious too. I wonder how they'll react to the amount of porn on my ps3.

#9 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@falserelic said:

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

You think Sony will tell the government no if they come knocking?

YEs because Sony is a Japanese company.

#10 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1799 posts) -

@darji said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@falserelic said:

Lucky for me I've already choose the right team, a loyal team at that.

You think Sony will tell the government no if they come knocking?

YEs because Sony is a Japanese company.

Theres an American branch silly.

#11 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Now, if I wanted to be of mind about this: What does it mean to the NSA if they found out I played Kingdom Hearts III?

It got me curious too. I wonder how they'll react to the amount of porn on my ps3.

Soon you will have 500 gigs to save porn on!

#12 Edited by FourWude (2261 posts) -

Someone hack the NSA and put all the info regarding the govt on P2P file sharing sites.

It would be just desserts. Of course you'd get shills on here crying at how this was a "terrorist" attack.

#13 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@connerthekewlkid: So what? Do you bleive the american branch can decide such a thing?

#14 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4139 posts) -

@falserelic said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Now, if I wanted to be of mind about this: What does it mean to the NSA if they found out I played Kingdom Hearts III?

It got me curious too. I wonder how they'll react to the amount of porn on my ps3.

Soon you will have 500 gigs to save porn on!

500 gigs of Kindom Hearts porn?. Ohm. :O

#15 Posted by falserelic (5280 posts) -

This government talk got me thinking of that Illuminati vid, and how they'll use the new game console to watch us.

#16 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1799 posts) -
#17 Edited by Residentrevil2 (431 posts) -

I use Skype all the time, especially when I travel.

#18 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2484 posts) -

Wait, is this supposed to make people feel better, an MS statement?

If the NSA only had their hand in Skype, that would be bad enough, but the documents show that MS spent months designing a system that would allow the NSA full access to all of their systems, most without the need for additional authorization.

Love games and gaming and buy an XBO if you want, but MS is a pretty shady company and always has been. This NSA stuff is just the latest in a long line of anti-consumer positions MS has taken, supporting "corporate partnerships" over "valued customers" while tearing down smaller businesses who get in their way. People who have worked with MS in the tech sector regularly know the kind of crap they pull to maximize their bottom line.

MS cooperates and works with the government at a deeper level willingly because it takes the focus off of other more insidious business practices they participate in. How many years did MS threaten PC makers with higher OEM pricing on Windows if they offered a Linux option? When monopolies were actually seen as a problem in this country, MS was under constant scrutiny because they used scare tactics and financial manipulation to scare OEMs into compliance and away from alternative operating system choices.

Yes, under current government regulations, all companies are required to provide a certain amount of information, but MS clearly and consistently goes out of their way to provide as much access/information as possible to the NSA and FBI. Some stock statement isn't going to make that not true, it just makes the Fox News crowd sleep better at night.

#19 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@krakn3dfx: that more or less sounds like all large company's.

#20 Edited by Claude (16254 posts) -

One day, you will view my asshole as I shit. Not only that, you will be able to analyze said shit and asshole. Joy to the world for my time has come. I am not alone. I will never be alone again. For I posted it on youtube analyzer dot com which linked my asshole twitches to Giant Bomb dot com. But the poop, oh the poop, we played with it on the new and view of never few. We're screwed.

#21 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2484 posts) -

@krakn3dfx: that more or less sounds like all large company's.

Not all large companies have anywhere close to the kind of constant access into peoples' lives that MS does, I think that's the difference. MS has access fingers in networked file and email servers,workstations, phones, and tablets worldwide. MS's access to the world's data is unprecedented by several magnitudes. If you think any other company has the sheer amount of access to data that MS has, or even close to it, I'd like to hear who you think that would be.

#22 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@krakn3dfx said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@krakn3dfx: that more or less sounds like all large company's.

Not all large companies have anywhere close to the kind of constant access into peoples' lives that MS does, I think that's the difference. MS has access fingers in networked file and email servers,workstations, phones, and tablets worldwide. MS's access to the world's data is unprecedented by several magnitudes. If you think any other company has the sheer amount of access to data that MS has, or even close to it, I'd like to hear who you think that would be.

Amazon,Facebook, Apple.

#23 Edited by Krakn3Dfx (2484 posts) -

@the_laughing_man: None of those companies have access to the systems MS does just by virtue of MS running the systems.

Amazon has access to data stored in EC2, which is big, but it's not a lot of personal information, email, etc. It is used by some companies for call recording (we use EC2 on occasion to record calls that might be pertinent in legal situations, but not all calls).

Apple's access is dwarfed by MS', although they do obviously have access to any email/texts/calls that come through their phones (for the record, Apple freaks me out, too, but for different reasons).

Facebook's access is limited to people who are willing or too lazy to prevent them from having access. You have a choice whether or not you will share information with their systems. I closed my own Facebook account about a year ago, not because I was sharing anything with them that I was worried about, but because it's just kind of dumb.

Now that I think about it tho, any of the big internet portal providers probably have access to most if not all of the same data MS does just due to their transport functionality. I bet Level 3, Time Warner, etc all have dealings with the NSA like MS does to monitor and cherry pick data.

This edit will also create new pages on Giant Bomb for:

Beware, you are proposing to add brand new pages to the wiki along with your edits. Make sure this is what you intended. This will likely increase the time it takes for your changes to go live.

Comment and Save

Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other Giant Bomb users. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll send you an email once approved.