Xbox One controller to still use AA batteries anno 2013

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#101 Posted by Hunter5024 (5711 posts) -

@gaspower said:

@hunter5024 said:

@gaspower: I think it must depend on the quality of the battery as well, because I've had one of my dualshocks for 4 years and it still works fine, but the rechargeable pack in my 360 controller stopped working after about 4 months.

That's true as well as a lot of other variables too such as the temperature of the storage area. I'd rather be able to just replace the batteries instead of choosing the more expensive option of outright buying another controller when given the option, right?

Well I like to replace my controller every few years once the buttons get worn down anyways. But I suppose it's good to have the option of replaceable batteries.

#102 Posted by hollitz (1537 posts) -

The play and charge kit for the wireless 360 controller was basically only useful for the cable that turned it into a wired controller that still wasn't as good as a wired controller because you couldn't just plug it into a PC.

#103 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2492 posts) -

How terrible now that we have nuclear batteries and hydrogen cells.

What did you expect, really? At least it's not the PS3 model, where you have to trash the entire controller.

Have had the same controller that came with my PS3 since launch, have never had an issue with it. I bought one of the dual chargers for PS3 controllers, I throw it on there whenever I'm done playing, come back, and it's charged up and working.

I don't really care either way, I have rechargeable battery packs for my 360 controllers, but I think it's pretty rare that anyone would need to trash the entire PS3 controller. From what I've heard, it's pretty easy to just replace the battery in the unit yourself if it stops charging at some point, and those are like $4-5 on EBay.

#104 Posted by Steak_Monster (22 posts) -

What I've learned from this thread:

Some people's DS3's batteries degraded over time, other's didn't.

We can probably move on from that now.

#105 Posted by Cirdain (3093 posts) -

WIRED 4 LIFE

#106 Posted by phantomzxro (1578 posts) -

@djou said:
@monetarydread said:

I have had to throw away two PS3 controllers. I do not want to have to throw away a controller because the non-replaceable battery died.

Plus, I am sure that Microsoft is going to sell a rechargeable battery pack for the Xbox one. Sales of peripherals were a major source of income for Microsoft in the last generation.

I often hear this point raised about the PS3 controller but I have two early PS3 and they still work fine, battery need charging every few days but this is nothing out of the norm in my life where I charge an iphone and ipad daily. I bought the second controller on sale for $30 and I've had my PS3 for eight years. In contrast I have a Xbox controller for PC and I've spent at least $40 on batteries over the last two years (a combination of regular and rechargeable). At the end of the day this feature is a minor convenience that is not in the interest of the consumer. MS is clearly cheaping out on manufacturing to keep the cost down and then offering a battery add-on.

To add to this changing the battery pack in a dual shock is not really that hard. You can order a replacement battery online for like 10 bucks and install it needing only a small screwdriver for the screws on the DS3 controller.

#107 Posted by Fearbeard (831 posts) -

Good. Don't ever have to worry about the battery pack failing and killing the entire controller.

#108 Edited by Nikoran (165 posts) -

Just buy rechargeable ones.

#109 Edited by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

@hollitz said:

The play and charge kit for the wireless 360 controller was basically only useful for the cable that turned it into a wired controller that still wasn't as good as a wired controller because you couldn't just plug it into a PC.

Exactly! Oh, and that rechargable battery thing, which I must have used hundreds of times by now.

Seriously, I don't understand why people are actually complaining about this, or the availability of another Play & Charge kit. Complete non-issue.

#110 Edited by Bill_Rizer (120 posts) -

@nezza said:

I'm sure they'll release some form of add on rechargeable battery pack.

It's 2013 ffs. They can spend 400 million dollar on a NFL deal and billions on r&d for a Kinect 2.0 peripheral...but not do away with the archaic use of batteries?

so dumb

#111 Edited by zeeshanaayan07 (12 posts) -

xbox is run from the battery or electric

#112 Edited by MikkaQ (10296 posts) -

What's with the "GOD IT'S 2013 GET WITH THE TIMES" folks in this thread? I mean as far as I know batteries are still current technology, lots of shit still uses them. No one's stopping you from jamming Eneloops in that controller, and this way when those die you still have the option to put in the normal AAs you all have lying around your house.

#113 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Have I already posted about how this isn't a big deal? If I haven't: it isn't a big deal.

#114 Edited by ProfessorEss (7402 posts) -

@mikkaq said:

What's with the "GOD IT'S 2013 GET WITH THE TIMES" folks in this thread? I mean as far as I know batteries are still current technology, lots of shit still uses them. No one's stopping you from jamming Eneloops in that controller, and this way when those die you still have the option to put in the normal AAs you all have lying around your house.

Yeah I don't get it either. By allowing AAs, the XBox One controller will be using the same Eneloops that everything else in my house uses. And I bet 90% of the things I buy in the next 5-10 years will take 'em too.

...I'm currently looking at 12 extra, fully charged Eneloop AAs and 6 fully charged AAAs anxiously waiting for something to die so that they can have their time to shine :)

#115 Posted by BigJeffrey (5028 posts) -

Stuff Still uses Batteries? I thought everything would be powered by the sun by 2013.

#116 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

Wait, what? Why is that a bad thing? I constantly have a package of AA's sitting around that I get at discount prices from Costco.

#117 Edited by MHumphreys89 (716 posts) -

What is the problem when you can fall back on Micro USB if your batteries are dead? Some people's set-ups might be different but i've never actually needed a wireless controller over a wired. Having a Micro USB port on the back of that thing is an improvement over the shitty proprietary play-and-charge malarkey we had this era.

#118 Edited by Gruebacca (521 posts) -

There's been a huge problem in the battery industry in that batteries haven't changed much in the last century. We're on the cusp of some revolutionary-ass battery tech that's going to change everything, and here's Microsoft telling you that the future lies in AA batteries.

I personally have a problem with AA batteries. They're bulky and expensive, they don't last long, and you can't just chuck them in a landfill without feeling like a douchebag. You also have to constantly remove them from whatever they're sitting in to keep them from draining energy by themselves. The few times I decide to play on my Wii, I find the batteries, freshly installed from the last time I used the Wii controller, dead on arrival. They're cumbersome, annoying, and they just fucking suck.

My two cents: I have five PS3 controllers of varying ages. Only one has had battery problems. I use the past tense because it inexplicably fixed itself. None of them have had life-draining issues. Meanwhile, the AA's in all my Wiimotes and old GameBoys go dead real fast.

#119 Edited by psylah (2177 posts) -

I haven't bought batteries in years. YEARS.

How can people complain about a built-in battery a la PS3 controller? Where are you gaming that you are nowhere near ANYTHING that has a USB plug, let alone ANY USB charger that can plug into a wall socket? Why aren't you plugging up the controller into anything that has a USB port (PC, laptop) when you aren't playing? Why is managing a cycle of rechargeable batteries at all times seen as a plus?

At the end of the day, plug in your phone, plug in your tablet, and if you've been using it, plug in your controller. Not that hard.

#120 Posted by YukoAsho (2061 posts) -

Seriously, what fucking bizarro world am I in? Nintendo ditches AA batteries and MS picks them back up?

#121 Edited by YukoAsho (2061 posts) -

@psylah said:

I haven't bought batteries in years. YEARS.

How can people complain about a built-in battery a la PS3 controller? Where are you gaming that you are nowhere near ANYTHING that has a USB plug, let alone ANY USB charger that can plug into a wall socket? Why aren't you plugging up the controller into anything that has a USB port (PC, laptop) when you aren't playing? Why is managing a cycle of rechargeable batteries at all times seen as a plus?

At the end of the day, plug in your phone, plug in your tablet, and if you've been using it, plug in your controller. Not that hard.

Built-in has its own issues. I think the best model is what we see with the Wii U Gamepad, Wii U Pro Controller and DS line. Batteries are rechargable, but can be replaced by unscrewing the back and replaced by buying a new one from Nintendo.

#122 Posted by Cowman (669 posts) -

Friends of mine have paperweight PS3 controllers because the battery died. I bought rechargeable packs for my 360 controllers, they're all dead, long live AA.

Eneloop4lyfe son.

#123 Posted by acer51 (34 posts) -

And M$ loses a point in the Pre-console war.

#125 Posted by BigJeffrey (5028 posts) -

@acer51 said:

And M$ loses a point in the Pre-console war.

Is this even real?

#126 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

@bigjeffrey said:

@acer51 said:

And M$ loses a point in the Pre-console war.

Is this even real?

As far as my buying decisions go, it certainly is another point I don't like about Microsoft. Microsoft's *Everything's Modular, Everything's Monetized* design paradigm is the main reason why I switched from 360 to PS3 halfway through this generation.

Every controller cost an extra 30+$ bucks for the convenience I get for free with Playstation. Every year of online play costs me another 90+$ (that's what it costed at that time). Sure - PS4 now too put online play behind the paywall, but the point about the gamepads holds true once again.

30+$ additional expense for the charge kit for each wireless gamepad? Or fiddling with recharable batteries? Or buying hundreds of dollars worth of batteries over the lifetime of the console? No thank you. Those who say internal accumulators fail, mine didn't, and I can always turn any PS3/4 gamepad into a wired controller by using the usb cable.

It's simply a matter of business ethics. Microsoft wants to monetize everything, Sony wants first to build a cohesive and elegant product.

#127 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

I love how Microsoft is claiming that the development of this new controller has cost them 100 million $ and then they could not even use a different solution than AA batteries^^

#128 Posted by hidys (1029 posts) -

OH FOR FUCK SAKE!

#129 Posted by Mike76x (558 posts) -

There's been a huge problem in the battery industry in that batteries haven't changed much in the last century. We're on the cusp of some revolutionary-ass battery tech that's going to change everything, and here's Microsoft telling you that the future lies in AA batteries.

I personally have a problem with AA batteries. They're bulky and expensive, they don't last long, and you can't just chuck them in a landfill without feeling like a douchebag. You also have to constantly remove them from whatever they're sitting in to keep them from draining energy by themselves. The few times I decide to play on my Wii, I find the batteries, freshly installed from the last time I used the Wii controller, dead on arrival. They're cumbersome, annoying, and they just fucking suck.

My two cents: I have five PS3 controllers of varying ages. Only one has had battery problems. I use the past tense because it inexplicably fixed itself. None of them have had life-draining issues. Meanwhile, the AA's in all my Wiimotes and old GameBoys go dead real fast.

$20 at Walmart will get you 4 AA Duracell (the brand I use) batteries and a charger.

I bought 2 sets 7 years ago (according to the date stamp on my charger).

I haven't purchased AA batteries since 2007, but I use them every day, in my Xbox controller and TV remote.

#130 Posted by charlie_victor_bravo (1018 posts) -

<sarcasm>Oh no! Micro$oft decided to use replaceable power source on their Xbone controllers!</sarcasm>

Microsoft's solution is extremely practical for the end user. AA-batteries are most common ones and they can be bought in any corner of the world. They are cheap. Also AA is a rare battery type in a sense that it is one of the few with good rechargeable options. Get some 2500+ milliamp batteries and you will be playing for weeks with one charge.

#131 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

At least it'll turn into a proper wired controller when using an UBS cable, just like the DualShock 3&4.

#132 Edited by MonetaryDread (2045 posts) -

I saw this video that was posted on Reddit today and I think this is valuable information. Basically Michio Kaku is talking about why batteries seem like they are not evolving at the same pace as the rest of technology.

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