XCOM and WinXP

#1 Posted by djames216 (363 posts) -

I know a lot of people left Windows XP behind long ago but there are still people out there like myself that still use it. The main reasons I haven't upgraded yet is because of cost and I saw no real reason to bother from a functionality/efficiency standpoint. Upon downloading the Demo for XCOM: Enemy Unknown, I realised that the game is not compatible with Windows XP, you need Vista or later. I just wanted to put that out there for the benefit of other XP users who may have considered buying the game. I'm not looking for a discussion on the benefits of getting Windows 7 or whatever, I am well aware of how good it can be. I just simply can't afford to right now because I'm unemployed.

#2 Posted by Abendlaender (2766 posts) -

Well, Windows 8 is out in a month, and just costs 50$ which is rather affordable. Although it really sucks if you just want to play the game right now, I agree.

#3 Posted by GreyFoxV1 (63 posts) -

@djames216 said:

I know a lot of people left Windows XP behind long ago but there are still people out there like myself that still use it. The main reasons I haven't upgraded yet is because of cost and I saw no real reason to bother from a functionality/efficiency standpoint. Upon downloading the Demo for XCOM: Enemy Unknown, I realised that the game is not compatible with Windows XP, you need Vista or later. I just wanted to put that out there for the benefit of other XP users who may have considered buying the game. I'm not looking for a discussion on the benefits of getting Windows 7 or whatever, I am well aware of how good it can be. I just simply can't afford to right now because I'm unemployed.

I do believe the Steam page states that XP is not supported in a bright orange box.

#4 Posted by DystopiaX (5295 posts) -
@GreyFoxV1

@djames216 said:

I know a lot of people left Windows XP behind long ago but there are still people out there like myself that still use it. The main reasons I haven't upgraded yet is because of cost and I saw no real reason to bother from a functionality/efficiency standpoint. Upon downloading the Demo for XCOM: Enemy Unknown, I realised that the game is not compatible with Windows XP, you need Vista or later. I just wanted to put that out there for the benefit of other XP users who may have considered buying the game. I'm not looking for a discussion on the benefits of getting Windows 7 or whatever, I am well aware of how good it can be. I just simply can't afford to right now because I'm unemployed.

I do believe the Steam page states that XP is not supported in a bright orange box.

Although it doesn't affect me it would be nice if you could filter steam by games compatible with your os, since this will probably become more of a thing as time goes on.
#5 Posted by djames216 (363 posts) -

@DystopiaX said:

@GreyFoxV1

@djames216 said:

I know a lot of people left Windows XP behind long ago but there are still people out there like myself that still use it. The main reasons I haven't upgraded yet is because of cost and I saw no real reason to bother from a functionality/efficiency standpoint. Upon downloading the Demo for XCOM: Enemy Unknown, I realised that the game is not compatible with Windows XP, you need Vista or later. I just wanted to put that out there for the benefit of other XP users who may have considered buying the game. I'm not looking for a discussion on the benefits of getting Windows 7 or whatever, I am well aware of how good it can be. I just simply can't afford to right now because I'm unemployed.

I do believe the Steam page states that XP is not supported in a bright orange box.

Although it doesn't affect me it would be nice if you could filter steam by games compatible with your os, since this will probably become more of a thing as time goes on.

Yeah, that kind of thing has crossed my mind before now too. It would be useful but I wonder if it would be worth the resources for Steam to do it? Who knows?

#6 Posted by DystopiaX (5295 posts) -

@djames216: The thing is I don't think it would take that many resources. You can already filter stuff like DLC, it should be trivial to filter games by OS as well. Hell, they even do it for Macs.

#7 Posted by AlexW00d (6189 posts) -

Wait why have they done this? The game is DX9.

#8 Edited by djames216 (363 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

Wait why have they done this? The game is DX9.

Yeh I've seen some comments on other forums that seem to have come to the same conclusion. The game is DX9 but doesn't work on XP. Seems inexplicable. I'm no expert but could there be some other non-DX technical reason as to why WinXP couldn't run it perhaps?

#9 Posted by djames216 (363 posts) -

@DystopiaX said:

@djames216: The thing is I don't think it would take that many resources. You can already filter stuff like DLC, it should be trivial to filter games by OS as well. Hell, they even do it for Macs.

Hmm, I wonder if they would need to go back and individually set O.S. meta-data tags for every single title? I'm guessing that would be a lot of work given how many titles there are. And if there isn't already a suitable "O.S. field" to fill in the first place then it can be a major pain to add a new field to an existing database.

#10 Posted by DystopiaX (5295 posts) -

@djames216 said:

@DystopiaX said:

@djames216: The thing is I don't think it would take that many resources. You can already filter stuff like DLC, it should be trivial to filter games by OS as well. Hell, they even do it for Macs.

Hmm, I wonder if they would need to go back and individually set O.S. meta-data tags for every single title? I'm guessing that would be a lot of work given how many titles there are. And if there isn't already a suitable "O.S. field" to fill in the first place then it can be a major pain to add a new field to an existing database.

Yeah I guess, but it doesn't seem to be a major problem for past releases anyway, and you can just add it in going forward.

#11 Posted by uk_john (27 posts) -

The fact is, if a mainstream game like Skyrim or Borderlands 2 can run on XP, I think it's suicidal that a niche, turn based sci-fi strategy game needs Win 7. I also don' understand how a huge open world game like Skyrim has a 5GB install and this game needs 20GB - must have a lot of cutscene filler!

Have heard that the only reason they have it as Win 7 only is in the exe they make a call to the Win 7 equivalent of the XP file kernel32.dll. Seems if you hack the exe you can get at least the demo working. Not sure of the details, but if one file name needs changing in the exe, it shows how 2K/Fireaxis must have done a deal with Microsoft to use the Win 7 filename to hopefully get people to upgrade. I don't know if any money changed hands, but of course Microsoft makes a nice amount everytime a gamer upgrades to Win 7, and there has to be a reason that Win 7 filename was used rather than the XP filename, especially given how the other requirements are so low!

Lastly, it's so ironic that the first AAA PC title (and maybe the only AAA title this year!) that doesn't run in XP is a remake of a 1994 DOS game! I bet most of us would have thought the first Win 7 game would be some super hi-resolution 3D game that would put Crysis to shame! No a mostly 2D/isometric low system requirements game like XCOM!

#12 Posted by twigger89 (277 posts) -

@uk_john said:

The fact is, if a mainstream game like Skyrim or Borderlands 2 can run on XP, I think it's suicidal that a niche, turn based sci-fi strategy game needs Win 7. I also don' understand how a huge open world game like Skyrim has a 5GB install and this game needs 20GB - must have a lot of cutscene filler!

Have heard that the only reason they have it as Win 7 only is in the exe they make a call to the Win 7 equivalent of the XP file kernel32.dll. Seems if you hack the exe you can get at least the demo working. Not sure of the details, but if one file name needs changing in the exe, it shows how 2K/Fireaxis must have done a deal with Microsoft to use the Win 7 filename to hopefully get people to upgrade. I don't know if any money changed hands, but of course Microsoft makes a nice amount everytime a gamer upgrades to Win 7, and there has to be a reason that Win 7 filename was used rather than the XP filename, especially given how the other requirements are so low!

Lastly, it's so ironic that the first AAA PC title (and maybe the only AAA title this year!) that doesn't run in XP is a remake of a 1994 DOS game! I bet most of us would have thought the first Win 7 game would be some super hi-resolution 3D game that would put Crysis to shame! No a mostly 2D/isometric low system requirements game like XCOM!

There are a lot of other games that require win7, some of them are very graphically intensive, some aren't. The last game Firaxis worked on (civ5) had a dx9 and dx11 executables, it makes sense that they would drop support for the latter as time goes on.

#13 Posted by envane (1159 posts) -

who the fuck didnt get windows 7 .. whats your problem .. stop blaming developers because you have refused to update windows in the past ~10 years

#14 Posted by TheHT (10920 posts) -

@envane said:

who the fuck didnt get windows 7 .. whats your problem .. stop blaming developers because you have refused to update windows in the past ~10 years

whats .. your problem .. with punctuation

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#15 Posted by envane (1159 posts) -

@TheHT: im not wrting an essay , im expressing my thoughts .. and this .. is because ... you people ... ...........................

#16 Posted by august (3827 posts) -

@uk_john said:

The fact is, if a mainstream game like Skyrim or Borderlands 2 can run on XP, I think it's suicidal that a niche, turn based sci-fi strategy game needs Win 7.

Suicidal? Yeah, I'm sure they'll miss all 7 of the sales they missed out on.

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#17 Posted by Zelyre (1128 posts) -

@uk_john said:

I also don' understand how a huge open world game like Skyrim has a 5GB install and this game needs 20GB - must have a lot of cutscene filler!

It is a lot of cutscene filler. Every cutscene that could be rendered in real time on the PC is instead pre-rendered with higher resolution textures and then slapped into the game as 720 and 1080p videos. If those scenes were done in real time, the game would be much, much smaller.

#18 Posted by SomeJerk (3151 posts) -

It doesn't run on Windows XP because it's time to leave that old turd behind.
- Signed, people who like their games able to use the advantages of Vista and above Windows systems and would prefer a world with nothing but 64 bit Windows distributions because that would allow games to run on even better game engines, so fuck 32 bit Windows machines also

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#19 Edited by Ganimoth (1 posts) -
#20 Posted by uk_john (27 posts) -

@august said:

@uk_john said:

The fact is, if a mainstream game like Skyrim or Borderlands 2 can run on XP, I think it's suicidal that a niche, turn based sci-fi strategy game needs Win 7.

Suicidal? Yeah, I'm sure they'll miss all 7 of the sales they missed out on.

XP gamers represent about 35% of gamers. If one in three had bought XCOM for XP, that would have added about 10% to the sales. That can be the difference between profit and loss!

#21 Edited by uk_john (27 posts) -

@SomeJerk said:

It doesn't run on Windows XP because it's time to leave that old turd behind. - Signed, people who like their games able to use the advantages of Vista and above Windows systems and would prefer a world with nothing but 64 bit Windows distributions because that would allow games to run on even better game engines, so fuck 32 bit Windows machines also

You support your argument so intelligently and maturly! But if games companies carry on limiting what market their games run in, then PC gaming overall will suffer for everyone! You think XP owners are going to upgrade to Win 7 for ONE game? XCOM isn't THAT special! There's a reason gamers are playing more retro titles and companies like GOG.com are doing so well. Because more and more people don't have the PC to run the Crysis type games of this world. There's also a reason The Sims is the biggest selling PC game - because it runs on practically every PC out there! Same with the most successful MMORPG World of Warcraft, which also has the lowest system requirements!

#22 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@uk_john said:

@SomeJerk said:

It doesn't run on Windows XP because it's time to leave that old turd behind. - Signed, people who like their games able to use the advantages of Vista and above Windows systems and would prefer a world with nothing but 64 bit Windows distributions because that would allow games to run on even better game engines, so fuck 32 bit Windows machines also

You support your argument so intelligently and maturly! But if games companies carry on limiting what market their games run in, then PC gaming overall will suffer for everyone! You think XP owners are going to upgrade to Win 7 for ONE game? XCOM isn't THAT special! There's a reason gamers are playing more retro titles and companies like GOG.com are doing so well. Because more and more people don't have the PC to run the Crysis type games of this world. There's also a reason The Sims is the biggest selling PC game - because it runs on practically every PC out there! Same with the most successful MMORPG World of Warcraft, which also has the lowest system requirements!

This isn't "Halo 2 only runs on Vista". This is "it's been 12 fucking years, upgrade your goddamn toaster".

#23 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -

@uk_john: I'm going to need a source on those numbers, because I really do not believe you.

#24 Posted by Jrad (621 posts) -

@uk_john said:

@august said:

@uk_john said:

The fact is, if a mainstream game like Skyrim or Borderlands 2 can run on XP, I think it's suicidal that a niche, turn based sci-fi strategy game needs Win 7.

Suicidal? Yeah, I'm sure they'll miss all 7 of the sales they missed out on.

XP gamers represent about 35% of gamers.

12%.

#25 Posted by Bell_End (1208 posts) -

is the rest of you hardware a decade old also. would your PC run it even if it was XP compatible

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