Sega has shut down all of Yakuza sites outside of Japan.

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#1 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

Sega has shut down all official Yakuza sub sites outside of Japan. The only proof that they ever released a Yakuza game in the west is the forums and a Dead Souls page.

It’s looking grimmer by the day and I wish I could post some better news. I’m not going anywhere and my Yakuza love still burns! No matter what I’ll carry the torch for the western Yakuza Fans!

http://yakuzafan.com/post/62617991224/sega-has-shut-down-all-official-yakuza-sub-sites

And with this we most likely have seen the end of this IP in the west.... It is really a sad day. I waited with importing Yakuza 5 because I thought they will bring it over but I guess I don't have to do that anymore with 5 and later Isshin...

#2 Posted by sub_o (869 posts) -

SEGApocalypse is happening.

#3 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4184 posts) -

Well!

#4 Posted by Flappy (2187 posts) -

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

#5 Posted by EveretteScott (1451 posts) -

That's really disappointing. All of that is.

#6 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

I wonder if a game like Yakuza had a chance in the west on the PC and on steam. I really hope Trails in the sky does well this year so developer can see that it maybe an option for Japanese niche games.

Also I wonder if it is legally ok if a fansub team actually would do the job voluntary and give it to sega so they can sell it XD

#7 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

Oh wow, talk about a death knell. I really liked the first two and was finally thinking of buying the PS3 ones.

Can't wait to hear next week's SBFcast.

#8 Edited by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

Wow man that sucks one disgusting shit from the ass. I guess Sega really pisses in the ass these days.

I guess our only hope for Yakuza 5 lies with Gio Corsi and Adam Boyes, but that's a really long shot, man.

#9 Posted by Morningstar (2147 posts) -

This sucks.

#10 Edited by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

Sega does it again. You bet your ass they looked at the 'Dead Souls' sales and thought: " It doesn't seem that the west likes Yakuza.." Which was the worst one in the entire series.

#11 Posted by Quarters (1663 posts) -

UGH. I love the Yakuza games, and I don't speak Japanese, so this is incredibly disappointing news for me. Freakin' SEGA, man.

#12 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (5362 posts) -

That's really too bad.

#13 Posted by Petiew (1341 posts) -

Sega pls...

#14 Posted by I_Stay_Puft (3145 posts) -

Wonder if Sega would be open to just digital releasing the game with English subtitles. I could never imagine myself saying this but take a page from Capcom with Phoenix Wright Duel Destinies.

#15 Posted by Yadilie (380 posts) -

Maybe .. maybe they're just tricking us. Right guys? Right...?

On a more serious note. Fuck the Western market. And fuck SEGA America for even thinking of bringing OF THE END over. I knew it would kill the Ryu ga Gotoku series in NA and EU.

#16 Posted by Yadilie (380 posts) -

@darji said:

I wonder if a game like Yakuza had a chance in the west on the PC and on steam. I really hope Trails in the sky does well this year so developer can see that it maybe an option for Japanese niche games.

Also I wonder if it is legally ok if a fansub team actually would do the job voluntary and give it to sega so they can sell it XD

SEGA of Japan would have to pass off on it. But many of the Ys games and Trails in the Sky were done by freelancers. Hell, Ys Oath in Felghana was already translated years before and that fan translation was then used for the official release, with some alterations. Just depends on how said company wants to do their localization. In-house, partial freelance or with a company like 8-4.

#17 Edited by WinterSnowblind (7614 posts) -

I didn't expect any future Yakuza game to get released over here, but it's still an incredibly scummy move by Sega.

I'm definitely worried about Persona now too and I've long since giving up hope of PSO2 ever being released.

#18 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@wintersnowblind said:

I didn't expect any future Yakuza game to get released over here, but it's still an incredibly scummy move by Sega.

I'm definitely worried about Persona now too and I've long since giving up hope of PSO2 ever being released.

There is really no need to worry about Persona. Persona does sell in the west Yakuza sadly never did.

@yadilie yeah makes sense

#19 Posted by Yummylee (21463 posts) -

A sad turn of events... But I had very low hopes that Yakuza 5 was getting brought over. Still, it's too bad that Dead Souls is looking to be the last Yakuza game we're left with. Such a colossal pile of junk.

#20 Edited by Yadilie (380 posts) -

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

#21 Edited by SerHulse (685 posts) -

Goddammit SEGA...

#22 Posted by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

#23 Posted by rjayb89 (7719 posts) -

Fuck that.

#24 Posted by mrGREEK360 (55 posts) -

Yakuza is a boring franchise that no one wants to play outside the hard core western fans which isn't much. SEGA isn't going to publish a game at a loss just so the few fans that Yakuza has in the west are happy. Get over it, Yakuza is dead in NA.

#25 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

#26 Posted by RavenousJoker (50 posts) -

I hate Sega!

#27 Posted by MikkaQ (10276 posts) -

Why can't they just release an all-digital version like the people who translated Way of the Samurai 4? The text translation costs practically nothing and bandwidth costs are pretty small too.

#28 Edited by MildMolasses (3217 posts) -

Sega does it again. You bet your ass they looked at the 'Dead Souls' sales and thought: " It doesn't seem that the west likes Yakuza.." Which was the worst one in the entire series.

Or they looked at the sales of 3 and 4 and decided it wasn't worth it

#29 Posted by Fuzzy_Dunlop (174 posts) -

Well..... I guess this at least gives me plenty of time to get around to play this sealed copy of Yakuza 4 I got without having to worry about the fifth releasing before I play it....

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#30 Posted by falserelic (5394 posts) -

Well..that's fucked up.

#31 Posted by Hailinel (24254 posts) -

@darji said:

@grissefar said:

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

Where did you find that?

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#32 Edited by CaLe (3941 posts) -

I never cared for the Yakuza series myself but this is a bad sign... Maybe when everything is digital and they don't have to cover the manufacturing and distribution in other territories it starts to make more sense to localize games like this even when they don't sell well.

#33 Edited by jimmyfenix (3851 posts) -

I really wish they can get Atlus USA to bring over Yakuza but at the same time i don't want Atlus USA titles to be delayed or cancelled because of it.

#34 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@darji said:

@grissefar said:

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

Where did you find that?

Neogaf XD These are first week NPd numbers and i believe Japanese games are selling a bit better in Europe so It really did not sell that well. I understand the reason for Sega not bringing these games over anymore but it is still sad to see...

#35 Posted by Hailinel (24254 posts) -

@darji said:

@hailinel said:

@darji said:

@grissefar said:

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

Where did you find that?

Neogaf XD These are first week NPd numbers and i believe Japanese games are selling a bit better in Europe so It really did not sell that well. I understand the reason for Sega not bringing these games over anymore but it is still sad to see...

Do you have a link? Where did the poster get his/her information? NPD doesn't make those numbers public.

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#36 Posted by D_Bones (365 posts) -

its really disappointing. if the numbers were dreadfully low (which they probably were) I can understand the business behind it. but still KKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUU KKKKKKKAAAAAAAZZZZZZZUUUUUMMMMAAAAAA!!!!! please come back :D

#37 Posted by Veektarius (4741 posts) -

Yakuza games always looked interesting to me, but they also looked as if they asked the player to forgive too many inadequacies in order to enjoy their quirks. I think Sega's behavior recently suggests that its solution to flagging demand for its core products is to diminish its investments in individual products, thereby making them too flawed for anything more than niche popularity. Just my impression though, I haven't been in the board rooms.

#38 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@darji said:

@hailinel said:

@darji said:

@grissefar said:

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

Where did you find that?

Neogaf XD These are first week NPd numbers and i believe Japanese games are selling a bit better in Europe so It really did not sell that well. I understand the reason for Sega not bringing these games over anymore but it is still sad to see...

Do you have a link? Where did the poster get his/her information? NPD doesn't make those numbers public.

I got it from here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688791

He used monthly NPD threads and very often in these threads we get some numbers leaked from there. Sadly I can not access the archive of March NPD 2011 (release month for Yakuza 4) but if you can you are free to do so^^

#39 Posted by Yadilie (380 posts) -

@veektarius: Has nothing to do with how they treat their IPs. It has everything to do with the Western gaming market. This website is a great testament to that. The West is ignorant. The amount of times I hear something is "too Japanese" is fucking astonishing and disgraceful. But you know. Those people won. We get badly ported re-releases of old Dreamcast games and shitty Sonic games from SEGA. Congrats guys. You won. =)

#40 Edited by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

@darji said:

@grissefar said:

@yadilie said:

@wintersnowblind: Persona sells buckets. And they've gone to bed with Nintendo with Sonic. That's all they give a shit about now.

Persona and Sonic. Personic.

Now 340k is hardly buckets, man. And that's P4, which is the best selling Persona in the west. The others are closer to 200k, like Yakuza - and Yakuza doesn't even require any voice work done, just the translation. That's what makes it baffling, man.

I really doubt the 200K number for Yakuza. These are NPD first week:

Yakuza 3 52k

Yakuza 4 4 26k

Souls: 6k

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1Yakuza 2PS22006AdventureSega0.050.160.840.041.09
2Yakuza 3PS32009AdventureSega0.180.130.620.131.06
3Yakuza 4PS3N/AAdventureSega0.120.040.630.090.88

Yakuza 2: 210k

Yakuza 3: 310k

Yakuza 4: 160k

#41 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -
#42 Edited by Yesiamaduck (956 posts) -

@yadilie said:

@veektarius: Has nothing to do with how they treat their IPs. It has everything to do with the Western gaming market. This website is a great testament to that. The West is ignorant. The amount of times I hear something is "too Japanese" is fucking astonishing and disgraceful. But you know. Those people won. We get badly ported re-releases of old Dreamcast games and shitty Sonic games from SEGA. Congrats guys. You won. =)

And the japanese market is full of people who don't buy western games.... the cultural differences in taste is nothing new, in fact one could argue the Asian markets refusal to ever seemingly embrace anything in the video game market that isn't japanese would make me think that the asian culture is more closed off than the western when it comes to video games.

#43 Posted by Nictel (2399 posts) -

@mikkaq said:

Why can't they just release an all-digital version like the people who translated Way of the Samurai 4? The text translation costs practically nothing and bandwidth costs are pretty small too.

See I wonder this with more games, for some there is even already a fan-translation. Just hire 2/3 translators and release it digital. You probably need to sell what, a thousand games to get the costs out?

#48 Edited by BanzaiBandito (69 posts) -

This just makes me more nervous about Atlus having been bought by SEGA. Oh well, maybe when SEGA goes bankrupt Nintendo will by them out.

#50 Edited by iAmJohn (6114 posts) -

@darji said:

@grissefar: I am not a dick here I just question VG chartz^^

For comparison. First week US Persona 4: 110,000 and Golden even did 137,076 and that is US alone. These sales are pretty good for such a niche game. So people really need to worry about Persona 5 not comming to the west.

Wow, you actually had a point there. I like that, man. I know what you were trying to do, and it was extremely pointless. Do you not get that I don't care if the real sales were 200k or 300k? The point is, sales between Persona and Yakuza in the West were similar. Do you get it? Unless you are making a complicated market sales or marketing analysis, you probably don't need ultra-accurate data.

Except they're not similar at all. You can keep saying this and we can turn this into arguing about VGChartz's fake numbers all everyone wants, but it's not the same. The Persona games are much cheaper to make and are localized and published by a company specifically built to handle breaking even on selling 50,000 copies. That's hasn't been Sega for years. They've always wanted Yakuza to be as big in the West as it is in Japan. That it's impossible for a multitude of reasons doesn't matter if it's the expectation they have as a mid-sized publisher who doesn't want to waste their time with smaller projects. And when, in their minds, those resources could be better used on Football Manager or Total War or Relic or things that actually make them money and appeal to far more people than a niche Japanese PlayStation-exclusive franchise and they've tried it five times to no real success, no wonder they're done.

Of course, that doesn't preclude Atlus USA from jumping in.

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