What Defines a Zombie?

#1 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

Why hello there. Over some time myself along with fellow bombers have been discussing the characteristics that define a zombie. We are at an impasse and I have decided to seperate myself from what I feel are nonorthodox zombiist. Our current debate is over the issue of speed. Is a running zombie really a zombie? Personally...well its still a zombie but not at heart, it has no soul. So where do you stand? I have posted a video with General Zombologist Alex Navarro talking on the matter of what makes a zombie.

Zombie Radicals Vs Zombie Purists

  

#2 Posted by lordofultima (6213 posts) -

The walking dead.

#3 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

^Well that is PART of a zombie, what about vampires? They're dead and they walk (however thats more of an issue of soul). Also some mutants can be dead and walk? (but then is that the parasite soley?)

Complicated issues indeed.

#4 Posted by TheJollyRajah (1576 posts) -

I think a zombie is a lifeless person lacking any morals, and any common sense.

#5 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -
TheJollyRajah said:
"I think a zombie is a lifeless person lacking any morals, and any common sense.
"
Yes but I think I could find some people that are just like that and they're quite alive :)
#6 Posted by Gditz (349 posts) -

Fast zombies are zombies too! My opinion is that zombies who are slow have the ablity to bite with such a force that the human flesh is ripped of and can rip arms off. Now with such strength is it not logical that it could also run?

#7 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

However! Is it not that the tearing of flesh is causing by the sharpness of the teeth primarily and not so much the force? Sort of like with a knife some of the cutting comes from the down force but mostly it should come from the blade sharpness. In good knives anyway :)

#8 Posted by Gditz (349 posts) -

Are you suggesting that the zombification makes the human teeth sharper?

#9 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

Are you suggesting that human teeth are not sharp enough to eat through flesh through sharpness alone even without zombification ? :P

#10 Posted by Gditz (349 posts) -

Yes, to bite through a steak you need either very sharp teeth or alot of force. Since humans don't usually have sharp teeth I point again to the strong jaw muscles we have.

#11 Posted by DualReaver (3882 posts) -
Johnny5 said:
"Are you suggesting that human teeth are not sharp enough to eat through flesh through sharpness alone even without zombification ? :P
"
Wait are you not the one suggesting that?
#12 Edited by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

No Im suggesting that MAYBE human teeth can get through flesh just fine without much force therefore zombies eating is not a sign of muscles capable of running.

I think we should do a mythbusters and pull out the ballistics gel ...or go buy some carcasses from the butcher.

EDIT: ALSO another point I would like to stress is zombies do not have intelligence, and running requires coordination of the legs and feet at higher speeds, and they can hardly walk without falling over.

#13 Posted by Gditz (349 posts) -

Running without falling over and getting to where you want to go does require intelligence but running is like breathing, you don't think about it that much since your body is used to it.  Animals have the same functions as zombies more or less. They can chew, rip and know when prey is near. Doesnt require that much to run.

The fact that zombies rip of arms still proves that they HAVE strong muscles.

#14 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

Ok as long as their intelligence is limited to mostly instincts.  Also btw where did you get arm ripping from?

#15 Edited by Gditz (349 posts) -

Not certain but Ithink I saw it in Dawn of the dead, the new one that is.

Eduit: Also in Shaun of the dead but doesn't really count since its a parody.

#16 Edited by DualReaver (3882 posts) -
Johnny5 said:
"No Im suggesting that MAYBE human teeth can get through flesh just fine without much force therefore zombies eating is not a sign of muscles capable of running.

I think we should do a mythbusters and pull out the ballistics gel ...or go buy some carcasses from the butcher.

EDIT: ALSO another point I would like to stress is zombies do not have intelligence, and running requires coordination of the legs and feet at higher speeds, and they can hardly walk without falling over.
"
Awe I agree there, I've never tried but I'm sure people can tear through flesh on unzombiefied.

As for arms being ripped off that's a little silly, perhaps being the arm being pulled out of its socket would be realistic though.
#17 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

I'm watching the 2004 Dawn of the Dead now so I'll see :)

#18 Posted by Jax (461 posts) -

Watch Fido - Great Zombie movie.

#19 Posted by Jecrell (241 posts) -

Zombies must bite, and they must shamble!

#20 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1035 posts) -

George A. Romero defines a zombie. End of discussion.

#21 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -
MagusMaleficus said:
"George A. Romero defines a zombie. End of discussion.
"
what does he say? :P
#22 Posted by DualReaver (3882 posts) -
Johnny5 said:
"MagusMaleficus said:
"George A. Romero defines a zombie. End of discussion.
"
what does he say? :P
"
The Original Dawn of the Dead.
#23 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1035 posts) -
DualReaver said:
"Johnny5 said:
"MagusMaleficus said:
"George A. Romero defines a zombie. End of discussion.
"
what does he say? :P
"
The Original Dawn of the Dead."
Nope, further back than that--the original Night of the Living Dead, the one that started it all. True, Dawn was superior in just about every way, but it wouldn't have existed at all without its predecessor.
#24 Posted by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

So zombies can only be like the ones portrayed in romero films?

#25 Posted by Joker (675 posts) -

Zombies must not be able to control themselves, and must eat for abstinence. Running zombies are A-OK for me, but not ganado's.

#26 Posted by Aarny91 (3912 posts) -

Walking Dead

#27 Posted by Jecrell (241 posts) -

All I can say is that zombies should not eat sandwiches when there are brains about. If a zombie is eating a sandwich, it's disqualified and is just a crazy person.

#28 Posted by Giantkitty (808 posts) -
TheJollyRajah said:
"I think a zombie is a lifeless person lacking any morals, and any common sense.
"
So Zombies = Trolls?

Undead are really tough to categorize and there's always exceptions and liberties. I think of zombies as mostly animated corpses (unlike ghosts, etc.), that are just about thoughtless and eat brains, if they're the movie kind (The D&D kind don't, maybe the act of putting a camera in front of them makes them hungry for brains), unless I'm playing Lord Raptor, then I can chainsaw people, electrocute them, or turn them into a basketball.

As a weird coincidence, I'm trying to catalog a Lemmings title for work, and I got this as a game description: "A game in which you help hordes of mindless creatures, known as lemmings, to escape hostile environments." I want someone to make a Zombies game game where you control a horde of zombies!




#29 Edited by Johnny5 (1354 posts) -

Haha thank you for that very entertaining post. Yes there is a game where you control zombies but not in that sort of fashion. It's a source mod called Zombie Master and it gives you sort of a top down view of the traditionally first person field where you can set traps and spawn zombies.

A 2d sideview game with zombies would be pretty damn cool. or a top down.

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