So tomorrow there are actually 5 press conferences.. The main 4 E3 conferences (Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, and Sony, but there is also an Apple event to kick off WWDC which actually begins BEFORE the Microsoft E3 Keynote. (Apple is at 10:30 AM, Microsoft is at Noon). This got me thinking is Apple some day going to be seen as a competitor in the handheld space? I mean there are actually some impressive games on iOS. Sure there are no buttons, Sure there is no physical media. But Apple is sitting in a very nice position right now, and I think scheduling WWDC during E3 shows that they are willing to compete.
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Is Apple a real competitor?
All I can tell you is that I own Apple stock and everyone else who owns stock in all those companies are more excited for Apple than anyone else.
All business analysis are more excited for Apple tomorrow, only gamers are interested in the others. The masses, main stream media, and the majority of people interested in technology want Apple.
EDIT: I am honestly expecting a solid 5 cent growth by the end of the day.
with kinect and move bullshit becoming the new hot thing, yes Apple is a competitor because they know how to create such gimmicks and attract hordes of customers
when games used to be actual games, Apple couldn't stand a chance
@rebgav said:
@skyline7284 said:
Apple is sitting in a very nice position right now, and I think scheduling WWDC during E3 shows that they are willing to compete.Apple are smart enough to leech media attention from E3, that's likely all it is.
WWDC was planned the days after it happened in 2010 and WWDC is ALWAYS on the first week of June. E3 guys fucked up this year, just a heads up.
@rebgav said:
...they probably already have the larger share of that already in terms of games sold if not profit-per-user.
That is true. Angrybirds sold 30 million units and at 99 cents per unit, that's about $21,000,000 for the developers. When was the last time a handheld game for DS/PSP made that much for a company?
In the tech world they are obviously important and probably the most important. In the game world they are marginal and there success at gaming is accidental at best. Steve Jobs comes from the period of computing were a computer is for designing, building, being creative and not for wasting time on games. I think Steve Jobs really doesn't care about games and probably doesn't know why people play them so much, someone at Apple does and I think they are probably not getting the resource they really need to corner and go after that market. Apple is a player in the handheld gaming market by accident and they are just happy to be making money off of it.
@ShaneDev said:
Apple is a player in the handheld gaming market by accident and they are just happy to be making money off of it.
It's funny because that 30% cut from developer sales makes them more money than Sony and Nintendo for handheld sales, and Apple does jack-fucking-shit...just sit back and collect those fees. Apple made 9 million bucks from just watching people buy Angrybirds.
@KaosAngel said:
@rebgav said:
...they probably already have the larger share of that already in terms of games sold if not profit-per-user.
That is true. Angrybirds sold 30 million units and at 99 cents per unit, that's about $21,000,000 for the developers. When was the last time a handheld game for DS/PSP made that much for a company?
Probably Pokemon Black/White. Sold 11.16 million copies at $40.
@rebgav said:
@Barrock said:
@KaosAngel said:
@rebgav said:
...they probably already have the larger share of that already in terms of games sold if not profit-per-user.
That is true. Angrybirds sold 30 million units and at 99 cents per unit, that's about $21,000,000 for the developers. When was the last time a handheld game for DS/PSP made that much for a company?
Probably Pokemon Black/White. Sold 11.16 million copies at $40.
Given the cost of making the game and the cost of producing the cartridges, even Pokemon Black/White probably isn't as profitable as Angry Birds. Try to think about that without your brain melting. It's crazy.
Oh I mean no disrespect to Angry Birds. It's amazing that it sold what it did.
@KaosAngel said:
@ShaneDev said:
Apple is a player in the handheld gaming market by accident and they are just happy to be making money off of it.It's funny because that 30% cut from developer sales makes them more money than Sony and Nintendo for handheld sales, and Apple does jack-fucking-shit...just sit back and collect those fees. Apple made 9 million bucks from just watching people buy Angrybirds.
which works for them. Apple is going to continue to incrementally increase hardware capabilities without giving a rats ass to games. It became an unexpected platform for casual/simple/pick up and go games
@Dany: I beat Final Fantasy III for the first time on the iPhone, I have it on DS but the fact that I can carry my iPhone 4 everywhere just made it easier to finish. I can totally see Square bringing more PS1 ports like FFT and other SNES games to the iPhone.
Hell their Chaos Rings RPG is just as good as a console JRPG. I can see developers growing and putting more work into it, much like EPIC is doing too. It's easy fucking money for everyone. Devs are making way more bank from mobile than they ever did selling on handheld consoles.
:O i didn't know apple was going to be presenting. pretty crazy. yeah, i think they are going to add something to the competition. i wounder what they plan on doing. i'm sure it's going to be something like an iphone thing or something like that.
how weird would it be if apple and microsoft joined to make something.
@iam3green: The timing fault is all on the people who set the E3 dates.
WWDC was planned out years in advance, and Apple always picks this week in June for the event. It sucks more for Microsoft as no one really cares about E3, and it's during Apple's biggest press conference of their business year.
Nobody "fucked up" here. E3 and WWDC attract completely different audiences. Its not like E3 is going to be losing media coverage because of the Apple conference.
I bought a iPod Touch and now I have no intent to ever buy another game for my PSP or DS, nor do I intend to buy an NGP or 3DS. So yeah, I'd say they're a competitor, at least for my money.
You didn't read this before you posted it, did you? This is an awful idea.I think if Apple embraced gaming and put out a gamepad accessory for the iPod touch and iPhone and put in some solid gaming software features and APIs they could be a serious contender in the handheld market.
Apple are focusing on Operating Systems and Cloud Services with their WWDC Keynote, so it won't step on the toes of the E3 Presser's much. They're unveiling a new mobile OS release, giving a final preview before launch of a desktop-class OS and introducing cloud services believed to be mostly about storing music (and possibly movies & TV shows) in the cloud for streaming to all your devices. The overlap will be slight, unless the rumours about Microsoft's TV-subscription thing come to pass, in which case there'll be a "kind of" competition of sorts.
Now if tomorrow was Apple's annual iPod & iTunes event...Well then things might be different.
@Napalm said:
@Zidd: Xperia Play isn't an attachment that goes against everything the phone stands for. An "attachment" goes against Apple's philosophy and flies in the face of what they are about and what their hardware/software does.
In Apple's defense the concept that Sony is doing for handhelds wouldn't make Apple money. Sony's goal is to unify PSN on handsets and Apple would require 30% of sales revenue from that. Sony is not going to give Apple 30% of their revenue when they already gotta give back 60% to the developers.
@KaosAngel said:
@Barrock: At the end of the day of Monday though...which company will get the biggest stock boost and coverage on the media?
You know damn well Apple will be that company.
Still won't change their market growth one iota. 10% 4LYFE!
@KaosAngel said:
All I can tell you is that I own Apple stock and everyone else who owns stock in all those companies are more excited for Apple than anyone else.
All business analysis are more excited for Apple tomorrow, only gamers are interested in the others. The masses, main stream media, and the majority of people interested in technology want Apple.
EDIT: I am honestly expecting a solid 5 cent growth by the end of the day.
AAPL | 339.19 | -4.25(-1.24%) |
Shucks :(
lol@KaosAngel said:
All I can tell you is that I own Apple stock and everyone else who owns stock in all those companies are more excited for Apple than anyone else.
All business analysis are more excited for Apple tomorrow, only gamers are interested in the others. The masses, main stream media, and the majority of people interested in technology want Apple.
EDIT: I am honestly expecting a solid 5 cent growth by the end of the day.
AAPL 339.19 -4.25 (-1.24%) Shucks :(
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