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Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians Releases Statement on Recent Comments

The man at the center of this week's controversial remarks regarding sexual harassment in the fighting game community speaks out and apologizes.

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Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians, leader of Team Tekken, was largely silent as events unfolded today.

While reporting yesterday's story about leading members of the fighting game community discussing the issue of sexual harassment in the fighting game scene, I reached out to the parties involved.

Besides Capcom, all silently declined.

The comments took place during Capcom's Cross Assault reality show, a competition acting as a promotion for next week's Street Fighter X Tekken. In the stream, Twitch.tv community manager Jared Rea brought up the issue of sexually inappropriate language alienating potential fans of the fighting scene, and a debate ensued.

It's best if you just read what happened next.

Miranda “Super_Yan” Pakozdi, member of Team Tekken and the female participant at the center of this, chose not to talk to me.

Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians, the male coach of Team Tekken attributed with the questionable commentary, did the same.

A few moments ago, however, Bakhtanians reached out to me over email, and released a brief statement. I asked Bakhtanians if he'd be willing to talk about the situation at length, but he unfortunately declined the opportunity.

His full statement is featured below:

I understand that I said some controversial statements on the Cross Assault show, and a lot of people are deeply offended with what was said. When I made these statements, I was very heated as I felt that the culture of a scene I have been a part of for over 15 years was being threatened. I unfortunately used extreme examples in the heat of the moment and feel that my statements don’t actually communicate how I feel. This is similar to what people say when they get into an argument with their girlfriend, and they say things that they deeply regret. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone. My statements do not reflect those of Capcom or myself. The last thing I want to do is get them in trouble for giving me and the fighting game community the opportunity to have an amazing show like this.

What I was trying to communicate is that mild hostility has always been a defining characteristic of the fighting game scene. Back when arcades were more prevalent, people didn’t like newcomers, and players needed to fight and pay their dues to get respect. The debate I was in was with a person who supported professional leagues, who have intent to censor the community to make it more accessible. I think the sink or swim mentality is something that defined our culture, and if that succeeds it removes something which has been important to help create some of the best fighting game players of our time. I was unfortunately unable to make this point clearly. Again, I am deeply sorry for offending anyone. This was a combination of the people taking things out of context and my own inability in the heat of the moment to defend myself and the community I have loved for over 15 years.

It's unlikely, however, Bakhtanians' statement alone will put this issue to rest.

I've received an enormous amount of feedback since the story ran, and I'm still filtering through the comments from both inside and outside the fighting game community. I'm setting up interviews as we speak. We'll revisit this soon.

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well apologies are good I guess even as half way as that apology was. He didn't apologize to to Super_Yan though or seem to think what he said was actually wrong, so I don't feel like he actually is sorry.

I don't this dude is the root of that's wrong, but he unfortunately for him has become its' face.

but whatever, this has become a thing now and the FGC might as well get it out all the ugliness that has been there for awhile and try to become better.

there is a line between talking smack and abuse, and well Aris went way over it.

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@darkdragonmage99 said:

@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

I agree that she could have handled it better. That's part of being an adult. But that doesn't all of a sudden excuse how this all played out. She's still the victim here, even if I have lost a bit of sympathy for her due to the way she handled all this.

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It all comes down to having some tact and just a little bit of class. There will always be people with controversial opinions but there is a time, place and manner where you can air that stuff without making yourself look like an ass. Like I said: Tact.

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I'm no PR rep, but this guy really should not have made the girlfriend-argument comparison.

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@Sooty said:

@Gaff said:

@Sooty: Ever done something stupid when you were with friends? You know, get incredibly drunk, smash something to pieces you probably shouldn't have. Went along with them to not spoil the fun. Started smoking because the other kids said it was cool.

You do know what the words "peer pressure" mean, right?

Actually no because I'm not a retard. If I'm not comfortable with something I speak out or take my leave, I certainly do not go along with it, for that reason I never tried a cigarette while I was at school and I have certainly not smashed something up because other people were... Who the fuck does that? I won't have friends around that act like that. and yes I know what it means.

So you're familiar with a situation in which someone could play along with the group, to...

  • Not spoil everyone's fun: when everyone's having a good time, people generally don't want to be the one to ruin their fun. To be terribly utilitarian about it, 10 people being happy > 1 person being unhappy. Not saying that it's a correct way of thinking, but it does happen.
  • Not blow your team's chances for the $25,000 cash prize. Yes, only one contestant can take home the prize, but do well and don't drop out, will net your team certain advantages (extra practice time, banning certain characters for the other team, etc). You can read Cross Assault's rules over at Capcom Unity. Also, discredit your coach (in this case, Aris) and you would deprive your team of expert advice.
  • Not be called a "drama queen". People don't take kindly to people who "stir up drama".

I'm not saying that any of these apply in this case: who knows, she might thought it was funny at the time, she might not have. We don't know (and she's being really quiet on the matter). It would be really nice if everyone did the right thing, said the right words, at the right time. Too bad that people do rash things, say something stupid, at the worst times.

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His defense of "tradition" holds no water. Tradition has said minorities can't have power. Tradition has said slavery was fine. Tradition has said lots of terrible things over the course of history.

Trash-talking and harassment are two different things and fairly easy to tell apart for a mature human being. The fact that Aris can't distinguish between the two tells me all I need to know about him.

He wants the community to grow but he doesn't want to tone down the hostility or allow legitimate sponsors to tone it down for events. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

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it took me a whole day to realize that FGC was fighting game community

I am so dumb

also this apology isn't worth the internet paper it is printed on

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@High_Nunez: I see. I think most people would agree (when they're not in a heated state of mind) that it's not right to insult people for any of the things you listed, but those three are just very common grounds for discrimination and as such get more attention.

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@darkdragonmage99 said:

@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

This is so wrong. She probably didn't tell him off initially because she just wants to play fighting games and doesn't want to start trouble. It almost certainly bothered her but she was trying to ignore until it simply became impossible to ignore. By your logic it should be okay to make fun of anyone who doesn't fight back. That is just being a bully.

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also, so much victim blaming in the comments, jesus

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Listen to him continue to plough ahead about 'the community' as if it debating its own special esports style was what mattered. He's just unwilling to apologize for his own personal shitty chauvinist behavior. People with that kind of ego don't reflect on their faults.

There are assholes in every community that ever was. That's humanity. Just because youtube comments are full of trash doesn't make someone who contributes trash to it less of an ass. Personal responsibility, think about it.

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@Animasta said:

also, so much victim blaming in the comments, jesus

Yeah I know. It's kind of pathetic.

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I'd say this is a great example of when to be humble. It's always hard to admit fault in the heat of the moment, but this 'apology' would have been much more appropriate if he had said this during his rant. He should said, "Holy crap, what am I saying? This is what I meant".

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@StarvingGamer said:

@nrh79: Cornered him by immediately making it about something as controversial as sexual harassment which distracted from the core issue. It's unfortunate that Aris took the bait.

He was "cornered" by this?! "Baited"?! Here, here's a super-slick technique for busting out of this malevolently genius little "corner and bait" maneuver that you don't even have to be a expert-level fighting game aficionado to pull off: you respond with something like "no, that shit is fucked up, that's not something that should be acceptable." PERFECT ESCAPE! 5000 POINTS!

Also I might be missing something here but wasn't the "core issue" under discussion whether people in this scene should treat each other with respect? I think sexual harassment fits neatly into that "core".

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What is really being discussed here; is hazing part of this eSports? And like all other sports, clubs, and organization the end result is always going to be "No, hazing is not acceptable."

Gosh, this, so much. For those of you (including Aris here with his half-assed non-apology) who seem to be unable to grasp the concept: Here are some examples of acceptable, "reasonable" trash talk (note that I'm not saying they'll be "good" examples because I'm not fluent enough in fighting game nomenclature or the kind of person who thinks trash-talk is totally necessary, but whatever):

"Dude, you make Ryu look like Dan, but shitty!"

"You couldn't throw a decent fireball with asbestos gloves and Roger Clemens' arm!"

Or even actions like when Daigo (I think) stood up in front of a projector and near-perfectly reproduced the Akuma Super move pose as he finished someone off with it: cocky, showy, probably pissed his opponent off, but earned. Whereas these sorts of statements would be considered "less than appropriate"; which is to say, horrible:

"She'd probably have done better that match if she could see the screen over those tits!"

(Insert something disgusting or racist or whatever here, I can't bring myself to do any more of this)

Notice how that one refers to an element of the player that is personal, largely uncontrollable, and completely unrelated to their performance as a player, whereas the preceding stuff actually refers to their ability to play the goddamn game?

So this guy grew up and "paid his dues" in the terrible culture of the arcade, and so now he thinks that's still how things should be huh? Well, guess what: it's completely unnecessary and most normal, reasonable people generally want NOTHING TO DO with that sort of business, especially when starting out and trying to get into a new competitive activity they might have only cursory knowledge of. This means you're both letting your community stagnant and wither away, while also ensuring you tend to get a lot of the worst sorts of callous jerks who continue to perpetuate the problems we're discussing here.

You don't need this kind of garbage to make the "great players of our time". People who want to be better will work to play better, because they want to win; it's already a competitive game! A competitive but supportive community will produce exponentially more excellent top-level players than one which sets the barrier to entry artificially higher by being insular and unwelcoming just to hold on to their sad little elitist power fantasies.

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@langdonx: your missing the point the point is CONTEXT matters. Saying shit like that among friends or at a slightly big even sure but on a Capcome SPONSORED stream there is a certain amount of common sense about when to hold your tounge.

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@OfficerMeatbeef: I fucking love you.

People that defend Aris are the wort scum on the face of the planet. These are the same people that blame a rape victim because "she was asking for it" by wearing clothes that were too revealing.

Lets not end there either. Aris' most consistent defense to date in his shitty podcasts are as follows...

"It's always been this way and that's just how it is."

"Some people like that."

"She was giggling and laughing about it when it was happening so that shows she didn't mind."

"She's just an attention seeking girl."

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That's a lot of text when all I should have read is "I'm a douchebag, I'm sorry you had to put up with me".

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This is not an apology. An apology would be him coming out and saying "What I said was completely wrong and there is no reason for anyone to support a culture of rape, especially in a community that already has a reputation for being so insular."

What he said was "I'm sorry, I just felt my right to yell "rape that bitch" was being threatened, so I defended it in a completely scummy way which reflects what a complete piece of shit I probably am in my personal life if I'm willing to say stuff like that on a live broadcast."

It also needs to be said that you don't only alienate women when you use language like that. You alienate friends, family and allies of survivors as well.

Kudos to Patrick for helping bring this issue further into the light. It's important that a lot of gamers be confronted with what a hostile, insular culture we tend to appropriate, especially in regards to sexual violence and other gender issues, often without being at all conscious of it.

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I can't be alone in thinking Aris' apology is half-hearted at best.

I commend Patrick, and others, who call out people like Aris when they make offensive statements. Just because talking like that has worked out for Aris until now, that doesn't mean it's acceptable. Behavior like that should be squashed with extreme prejudice.

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I'm a little surprised this story is getting so much attention. The guy's a douche. Unfortunately, just one more of the many you encounter in the world.

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@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

You are a complete fucking moron.

Do you really have to be told that getting close to and behind a woman who is clearly uncomfortable with your distance and saying "I'm going to smell your hair" is unnaceptable?

Would you be ok if I asked your mom her bra size? What about your sister?

Would Aris be ok if I asked his mom her bra size? What about his sister? What if I told them that everyone in the chat is making Twitter accounts with the name of his mom's body parts? What if I went behind his mom or your mom and told her that I'm going to smell her hair? What if I verbally abused your mom and asked her if she was going #1 or #2 when she went to the bathroom? Would you be ok with those things?

You don't have to tell people first. They should fucking know better. Aris is a fucking asshole and you're a bigger asshole for even getting this close to defending him.

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comparing slavery or rape to calling an in-game character a bitch is bad and you should feel bad

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good coverage of this Patrick, despite those who think this is small potatoes blown up big for the sake of a slow news day, I personally appreciate all the details and facts you can present.

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@Gaff said:

So you're familiar with a situation in which someone could play along with the group, to...

  • Not spoil everyone's fun: when everyone's having a good time, people generally don't want to be the one to ruin their fun. To be terribly utilitarian about it, 10 people being happy > 1 person being unhappy. Not saying that it's a correct way of thinking, but it does happen.
  • Not blow your team's chances for the $25,000 cash prize. Yes, only one contestant can take home the prize, but do well and don't drop out, will net your team certain advantages (extra practice time, banning certain characters for the other team, etc). You can read Cross Assault's rules over at Capcom Unity. Also, discredit your coach (in this case, Aris) and you would deprive your team of expert advice.
  • Not be called a "drama queen". People don't take kindly to people who "stir up drama".

I'm not saying that any of these apply in this case: who knows, she might thought it was funny at the time, she might not have. We don't know (and she's being really quiet on the matter). It would be really nice if everyone did the right thing, said the right words, at the right time. Too bad that people do rash things, say something stupid, at the worst times.

I love you. This is correct. People who are blaming her are disgusting human beings. They are blaming the victim instead of the perpetrator. These are the worst scum of the earth the kind of people that blame rape victims because "they were asking for it" by wearing revealing clothing or not wanting to upset someone when they went too far while having fun.

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@MangyForestKitten: If your doing it as a joke and they laugh it's pretty fucking hard to tell now isn't it  
 
You can call me a moron all you want but unless someone fucking tells you they don't find your joke funny you cannot tell especially if they are fucking laughing.  I never noticed any point where she told him or anyone for that matter that it wasn't funny stop it. 
 
Oh and my moms bra size 42 DD and my sister 32 D trying to play emotional cards on someone who is emotionally stunted doesn't work to well. 
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@MangyForestKitten said:

@Gaff said:

So you're familiar with a situation in which someone could play along with the group, to...

  • Not spoil everyone's fun: when everyone's having a good time, people generally don't want to be the one to ruin their fun. To be terribly utilitarian about it, 10 people being happy > 1 person being unhappy. Not saying that it's a correct way of thinking, but it does happen.
  • Not blow your team's chances for the $25,000 cash prize. Yes, only one contestant can take home the prize, but do well and don't drop out, will net your team certain advantages (extra practice time, banning certain characters for the other team, etc). You can read Cross Assault's rules over at Capcom Unity. Also, discredit your coach (in this case, Aris) and you would deprive your team of expert advice.
  • Not be called a "drama queen". People don't take kindly to people who "stir up drama".

I'm not saying that any of these apply in this case: who knows, she might thought it was funny at the time, she might not have. We don't know (and she's being really quiet on the matter). It would be really nice if everyone did the right thing, said the right words, at the right time. Too bad that people do rash things, say something stupid, at the worst times.

I love you. This is correct. People who are blaming her are disgusting human beings. They are blaming the victim instead of the perpetrator. These are the worst scum of the earth the kind of people that blame rape victims because "they were asking for it" by wearing revealing clothing or not wanting to upset someone when they went too far while having fun.

Yeah! I mean what do they expect from a female? Was she supposed to defend herself? This isn't a guy were talking about this is a girl and thus her fragile nature needs to be respected. Aris crossed the line big time and obviously doesn't understand that girls can't be addressed the same as men, they just get hurt too easily and have no way of defending themselves.

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@darkdragonmage99 What Aris did went beyond the scope of a joke. He was filming her ass and boobs as she got up to walk somewhere and even stood behind her and smelled her. You should not need to be told NOT to do creepy shit like that. This is common fucking sense.

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@noriegga said:

comparing slavery or rape to calling an in-game character a bitch is bad and you should feel bad

Quoted for such truth. "Bust this bitch!" Hilarious. But seriously... you can't go referring to an in-game robot as a motherfucker. That's where I draw the line.

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"Back when arcades were more prevalent, people didn’t like newcomers, and players needed to fight and pay their dues to get respect."

First off, I remember arcades, and this guy's full of shit. Second off, "pay your dues"? It's video games. Fuck you.

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can't wait to hear what Arturo Sanchez says, that dude knows his shit and he was there, heard over twitter that he's gonna mail Patrick.

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@DesmondN: He was filming you say The guy on camera was filming someone yes that makes perfect sense.  
 
He was messing  with everyone male female and even the two transgenders there if it was about her sex it would have been just the females.  I personally don't deal well with people so maybe it's my anti social personality talking here. 
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@blueduck said:

Yeah! I mean what do they expect from a female? Was she supposed to defend herself? This isn't a guy were talking about this is a girl and thus her fragile nature needs to be respected. Aris crossed the line big time and obviously doesn't understand that girls can't be addressed the same as men, they just get hurt too easily and have no way of defending themselves.

Nice sarcasm asshole. Not everybody is brought up to confront problems head on. There are many strong willed and confident women that would have stood up to what Aris was doing.

If the case is that SuperY4N was not necessarily one of those people who was brought up to deal with that kind of abuse head on and end it that doesn't mean she was ok with it or that she deserved it. That being said there is no reason to treat a person like that or KEEP ON TREATING THEM LIKE THAT even if they don't speak up. You're not supposed to treat people like that. She's clearly uncomfortable with his comments and his behavior throughout the entire video.

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@darkdragonmage99 said:

@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

Typical male privilege. Do you even realize that she probably felt threatened by his very presence and the fact that she was surrounded mostly by dudes who consider him a friend? How is she supposed to stand up for herself? How did she know that wouldn't result in something far worse.

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@MrMazz said:

@langdonx: your missing the point the point is CONTEXT matters. Saying shit like that among friends or at a slightly big even sure but on a Capcome SPONSORED stream there is a certain amount of common sense about when to hold your tounge.

Of course I agree with you. Capcom put a ban on cursing before the event even started (as they should have). They weren't even allowed to talk about sex (SubZero got shut down when he tried), let alone rape. Aris wasn't trying to argue that he wanted to curse obscenities on a live stream to thousands of fans. That's not how the question from Jared was even couched. The problem is, Aris took his flirting way too far with Miranda and then everybody tried to make silly analogies and grossly exaggerated analogies to make a point about sexism in the FGC. I'm just trying to say, if you're in the audience, you can and should be able to say what ever you like about a character in a video game. And maybe whatever you like period... freedom of speech and all. If it's going out in a broadcast backed by a public company, there of course should be limitations. But again, nobody used the word rape on the daily stream.

Also, `you're`.

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@darkdragonmage99 Aris was the one with the camera when she got up and he was filming her boobs/ass and she put her hands in the way. There is a gif of this out there so dik what the fuck you're talking about. And no, he wasn't messing with the guys the same way he was messing with Miranda. Was he filming dicks and man ass? Asking how big someone's dick was? Smelling them? No. I watched the stream every day and this never happened. And even if it did it doesn't excuse shitty behavior like that.

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@depecheload said:

@darkdragonmage99 said:

@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

Typical male privilege. Do you even realize that she probably felt threatened by his very presence and the fact that she was surrounded mostly by dudes who consider him a friend? How is she supposed to stand up for herself? How did she know that wouldn't result in something far worse.

Also she asked him multiple times to stop, on stream as well as off camera.

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So is this all because a girl got her feelings hurt? I am curious because afaik the FGS(fighting game scene) has been a world of obscene language and insults for a long time. Is Call of Duty next on the clean up your act and censor yourself list? Or do we have to wait until another girl is offended?

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Patrick I gotta give props. You know, this website used to be pretty good when it was just Ryan and Jeff in the very beginning. Anything since then (Brad, Alex, Leigh, take out pick of poison etc) has degraded in what it's original focus was. But you, Patrick, have single-handedly turned this site into everything we hate about IGN or Gamespot. It is now nothing more than a spineless, politically-correct, holier-than-thou, sterilized sh*thole exactly like any other gaming site on the web. But it'll be interesting to see what happens to the site, since Jeff and Ryan actually embrace the insanity of the world, unlike you, who attempts to crucify anyone who's not PC. Because that's what videogames are all about, right? The complete sterilization of fun and diversity? Anyhoo, I'm toasting my glass to you, Pat. I hate what you've done to this site, but one must admire how much you've accomplished in so little time.

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@MangyForestKitten said:

@blueduck said:

Yeah! I mean what do they expect from a female? Was she supposed to defend herself? This isn't a guy were talking about this is a girl and thus her fragile nature needs to be respected. Aris crossed the line big time and obviously doesn't understand that girls can't be addressed the same as men, they just get hurt too easily and have no way of defending themselves.

Nice sarcasm asshole. Not everybody is brought up to confront problems head on. There are many strong willed and confident women that would have stood up for what Aris was doing.

If the case is that SuperY4N was not necessarily one of those people who was brought up to deal with that kind of abuse head on and end it that doesn't mean she was ok with it or that she deserved it. That being said there is no reason to treat a person like that or KEEP ON TREATING THEM LIKE THAT even if they don't speak up. You're not supposed to treat people like that. She's clearly uncomfortable with his comments and his behavior throughout the entire video.

If she was a male no one would have said a damn thing about this but because she is a "fragile" female every white knight on the internet is jumping to her defense. This at is very root is more sexiest than anything that dude said. Let me state my point once again. If the she would have been a guy who was "not necessarily one of those people who was brought up to deal with that kind of abuse head on" no one would be saying anything. I like when females are treated like humans who can think and act on their own accord, or not act, instead of treating them like some object to protect from the mean mean world.

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@depecheload:  Male privilege lol I always love people who use that term. For one you don't know if I'm a male or not but that doesn't matter. I feel uncomfortable with anyone standing near me I avoid putting myself in said positions and if someone does stand to close I either walk away or tell them to fuck off mainly the former. What I feel doesn't matter it's what she did and no one fucking knows this but her because she didn't say anything and still isn't talking.  
 
You can assume all you want but from what I've seen she quit just as much from the stress of the show it's self as what he was doing.  
 
oh and the final question camera that's how
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It's fucking depressing that people defend that bullshit. He should be banned from all future events.

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@benson:  I never heard such Then again I don't know what happened off camera and I didn't watch the stream but for small bits 
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@R3DT1D3 said:

His defense of "tradition" holds no water. Tradition has said minorities can't have power. Tradition has said slavery was fine. Tradition has said lots of terrible things over the course of history.

Trash-talking and harassment are two different things and fairly easy to tell apart for a mature human being. The fact that Aris can't distinguish between the two tells me all I need to know about him.

He wants the community to grow but he doesn't want to tone down the hostility or allow legitimate sponsors to tone it down for events. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

I could not have said it better myself. Tradition is a weak argument and trash talk is one thing and verbally attacking a women is another.

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@darkdragonmage99 said:

@benson: I never heard such Then again I don't know what happened off camera and I didn't watch the stream but for small bits

So you aren't informed about the issue but you still feel like your opinion needs to be heard. Nice.

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@depecheload said:

@darkdragonmage99 said:

@MannySavior: The real problem is no one can know someones boundaries without them first telling you them she should have stood up for herself.

Typical male privilege. Do you even realize that she probably felt threatened by his very presence and the fact that she was surrounded mostly by dudes who consider him a friend? How is she supposed to stand up for herself? How did she know that wouldn't result in something far worse.

According to this retarded asshole darkdragonmage99 the best course of action if you were in prison and did not want to get raped would be to go around calmly, quitely, and privately telling all inmates that he would prefer not to get raped because those were his boundaries.

It's unbelievable that morons like you exist that can't tell the difference. People aren't suppose to be looking to cross other people's boundaries. This was completely uncalled for a sign that both Aris and darkdragonmage99 are complete idiots.

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@TheFrostedGamer said:

Patrick I gotta give props. You know, this website used to be pretty good when it was just Ryan and Jeff in the very beginning. Anything since then (Brad, Alex, Leigh, take out pick of poison etc) has degraded in what it's original focus was. But you, Patrick, have single-handedly turned this site into everything we hate about IGN or Gamespot. It is now nothing more than a spineless, politically-correct, holier-than-thou, sterilized sh*thole exactly like any other gaming site on the web. But it'll be interesting to see what happens to the site, since Jeff and Ryan actually embrace the insanity of the world, unlike you, who attempts to crucify anyone who's not PC. Because that's what videogames are all about, right? The complete sterilization of fun and diversity? Anyhoo, I'm toasting my glass to you, Pat. I hate what you've done to this site, but one must admire how much you've accomplished in so little time.

Yeah, because Ryan and Jeff were raw. Oh, wait, no, they weren't. In fact for the longest time they said "Eff" instead of "Fuck". So what the fuck are you even talking about?

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I feel like the little girl in Schindler's List.

I'm just looking around as this discussion is going to shit.

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@blueduck said:

@MangyForestKitten said:

@blueduck said:

Yeah! I mean what do they expect from a female? Was she supposed to defend herself? This isn't a guy were talking about this is a girl and thus her fragile nature needs to be respected. Aris crossed the line big time and obviously doesn't understand that girls can't be addressed the same as men, they just get hurt too easily and have no way of defending themselves.

Nice sarcasm asshole. Not everybody is brought up to confront problems head on. There are many strong willed and confident women that would have stood up for what Aris was doing.

If the case is that SuperY4N was not necessarily one of those people who was brought up to deal with that kind of abuse head on and end it that doesn't mean she was ok with it or that she deserved it. That being said there is no reason to treat a person like that or KEEP ON TREATING THEM LIKE THAT even if they don't speak up. You're not supposed to treat people like that. She's clearly uncomfortable with his comments and his behavior throughout the entire video.

If she was a male no one would have said a damn thing about this but because she is a "fragile" female every white knight on the internet is jumping to her defense. This at is very root is more sexiest than anything that dude said. Let me state my point once again. If the she would have been a guy who was "not necessarily one of those people who was brought up to deal with that kind of abuse head on" no one would be saying anything. I like when females are treated like humans who can think and act on their own accord, or not act, instead of treating them like some object to protect from the mean mean world.

Yeah, keep on telling yourself that to make yourself feel better. People do care when it happens to guys too. I care when it happens to my nephew when he comes over to play. I care about it when it happens to many of my male friends on Xbox Live. You are incorrect in assuming most people don't care. YOU DON'T CARE.

I have protected male, female, gay, straight, and anybody else that didn't appreciate comments like those. I do say things when the same comments are given to my gay British friend on Xbox Live. You're projecting your own thoughts into this. You're the worst there is. You fill yourself with the idea that nobody would care if this was a male because you don't care. You're the problem.

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@TheFrostedGamer said:

Patrick I gotta give props. You know, this website used to be pretty good when it was just Ryan and Jeff in the very beginning. Anything since then (Brad, Alex, Leigh, take out pick of poison etc) has degraded in what it's original focus was. But you, Patrick, have single-handedly turned this site into everything we hate about IGN or Gamespot. It is now nothing more than a spineless, politically-correct, holier-than-thou, sterilized sh*thole exactly like any other gaming site on the web. But it'll be interesting to see what happens to the site, since Jeff and Ryan actually embrace the insanity of the world, unlike you, who attempts to crucify anyone who's not PC. Because that's what videogames are all about, right? The complete sterilization of fun and diversity? Anyhoo, I'm toasting my glass to you, Pat. I hate what you've done to this site, but one must admire how much you've accomplished in so little time.

Special school get out early today?

Patrick has done a great job of covering this in a fairly balanced way