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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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@Ghostiet said:

@Fawkes: There's already bound to be DLC before the last act - it's pretty much confirmed we'll see an Omega DLC.

Yes. My point is nobody who has beaten the game seems to want to buy that kind of DLC.

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I see this more like Superman Returns. A lot of people didn't like the 3rd & 4th Superman movies, so when they went to add onto the series, they just pretended those two didn't exist and made Superman Returns as if it were a late 3rd movie.

It's what I would have liked to have seen for the Matrix movies, and the Star Wars prequels. Of course, both of those are different in their own respects, even if many people are comparing the Mass Effect trilogy to the Matrix trilogy.

People who are complaining that this will set a dangerous precedent are bonkers. Also, using the same tactics to fight the tactics they claim to dislike.

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@l4wd0g: but Leonardo changed the Mona Lisa hundreds of times to get it to where it is today. It was his life's work and he spent years and years perfecting every inch of it. When he didn't like something he went back and changed it.

The simple fact of the ending is that it's lazy. Conrad Verner's quest has more dialog, more writing, more interaction, more meaningful choices, and more relation to events from previous games then the "deep" space god resolution to 3 game's worth of conflict. Why was more work put into the minor joke character then into the ending to not just this game but an entire trilogy?

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Congratulations people. You will get your Hollywood ending where no one dies, everyone goes on to have successful lives, and the galaxy is gum drops and lollipops.

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@Fawkes said:

@Ghostiet said:

@Fawkes: There's already bound to be DLC before the last act - it's pretty much confirmed we'll see an Omega DLC.

Yes. My point is nobody who has beaten the game seems to want to buy that kind of DLC.

Oh. Well, it's hard to blame - pre-ending DLC in ME3 seems awfully insubstantial. Though I don't know, if they give me a Batarian squadmate, I might be in.


@golguin said:

Congratulations people. You will get your Hollywood ending where no one dies, everyone goes on to have successful lives, and the galaxy is gum drops and lollipops.

People don't want that. It was never the point. They want something that actually makes sense. A CONCLUSION, something that was promised to everyone. ME3's ending is obviously rushed and cut - and senselessly so, voice files and cutscenes that were leaked hours before the premiere are not in the game, for no understandable reason. And it's content that would make the outrage A LOT smaller.
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We're "getting" new content? No Alex. We're getting the opportunity to buy DLC. Sounds terrible!

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I don't see how clarity post the ending will make any difference. That's not exactly what people are complaining about right? It's the ending. But I can't imagine they will redo the entire ending, which would be crazy. It would be like the Matrix trilogy remaking the ending (by ending I mean the sequels entirely).

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@GValo: I disagree.

I know what you mean about the destruction caused by a Mass Relay exploding but I immediately assume that the Reaper kid destroys them by some more elegant means than what Shepherd did in Arrival. Not causing that destruction.
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I hope the new ending is just an address you can go to if you didn't like the ending and Bioware employees will change your diaper for free.

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Maybe a silly suggestion, but it would be cool that they would simply adjust a Director's cut (sort of) version as DLC, so that when you start a new game you get to choose which version you want to play, and the ending will change according to that.

So everybody will be happy, those who want there different more ME2 -like good ending will have it if they want it, and those who like to have the original ending can just play the original.

Than on the other hand, those who don't like the ending can just choose not to download said DLC (assuming it will become a DLC and not some über-mega patch).

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SPOILERS AHEAD, obviously Honest question in regard to the indoctrination theory - When you arrive to the final battle with the lowest EMS rating, you receive only the option for Destruction (with both of the paths for Controla and Synthesis not available - this is my understanding from the myriad of Game Ending FAQS available on the net). There is simply no reason that you can only select the Destruction ending when you do a sub-par play through. In Bioware's view, this singular choice of Destruction is the "worst" of all the options because you delivered the least amount of war assets to the final conflict. In this instance, do the Reapers not even bother indoctrinating you, because you have such a low effective military rating? Why do they then let you destroy all of the reapers? That doesn't make sense. Oh, ok, this guy is not good at coordinating forces, let's not try to indoctrinate him, but instead, let him destroy us. I don't know, that seems like a pretty glaring loophole in the indoctrination theory. Additionally, if you noticed, all three endings have that Space Winter ending with Buzz Aldrin talking to the kid. If, in the fact, the Synthesis and Control endings were the "wrong" endings, wouldn't only the Destroy ending have the positive Space Ending epilogue? Just my two cents. I think the indoctrination ending theory is a really creative mental exercise, but I do not think it is what Bioware intended. That being said, believe whatever you want!

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@LordCmdrStryker said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

I know, right?! I've bought tons of books that I haven't ultimately been satisfied with, but I didn't get mad and write the author demanding they change it. This whole fucking thing is stupid.

You should watch the movie Misery starring Kathy Bates. Every time I read one of these forums, I think of this movie.

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A (technically) fuckable Jessica Chobot

Crucial party member that's DLC only

Absurd amounts of cross-game promotion and pre-order only items

Rushed ending

and then you talk about artistic integrity

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@Popskinz said:

@PlasmaBeam44 said:

@Popskinz said:

@tactis said:

@Distrato said:

@Popskinz said:

People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.

TOO DEEP 4 U

Nah dude it was just shitty writing.

I totally agree, anyone who says that the ending was not pure bullshit and full of plot holes did not play the same game i did, there is nothing to interpret at the end of ME3 its just awful.

If you're clever enough to look for subtle nods and winks you'll get it -- too bad everybody needs to have a crystal clear ending drawn on a piece of paper.

Mass Effects ending is almost brilliant, but told in the worst way possible. These "subtle nods" act more like subliminal messages that literally no one noticed because the game is so poorly paced. So stop acting like you're on some higher plane because you "got" the ending, I'm sure you had to have someone else tell you what "really" happened like the rest of us.

I never said anything about being on a higher plane, if anything it feels like everybody else insists on being on a lower plane -- if you hated the ending, then fine; move on and let it go. But if people are going so far as to attack the developer and demand a new ending, then I'm seriously starting to lose hope for today's video game community.

"We shall keep yelling and moaning till' we get what we want" is basically Retake Mass Effect 3 in a nutshell. It's an ambiguous ending that requires careful dissection, nothing more, nothing less, and more importantly, nothing to start an internet uproar about.

Saying it "requires careful dissection" and is "ambiguous" when everyone hates your ending is just a terrible writers excuse to save face

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@Davin said:

@AlisterCat said:

I really don't see the issue with Tali being a stock Photo. Stock photos are used by professionals all the time... it's what they are there for. Should they have just taken their own picture of a woman...? How would that be any different? They found a photo that suited their need.

I think the larger disappointment is that they used some random pretty face and gave it a quick photoshop instead of making an interesting looking alien.

I personally think that BW never cared about what Quarians looked like under the suit. The BW design for the Quarians WAS the suit, only people on the internet wanted to know what they looked like.

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I am disappoint. They shouldn't bow to the pressure.

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Meh. I do think that the current ending needs more closure, but I was actually kinda fine with it.

The fact that people have theories based on a game's ending is pretty amazing, I just hope it turns out indoctrination was the right one and the ending is just an expansion of sorts.

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Finished the game a couple of minutes ago. After hearing all of the outrage over the endings I can definitely see why a lot of people are so angry. Personally I just found it sort of depressing. I don't really know how they are gonna make it better but i really hope they find a way.

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@Landon said:

@Popskinz said:

@PlasmaBeam44 said:

@Popskinz said:

@tactis said:

@Distrato said:

@Popskinz said:

People have way too much time on their hands to get upset about shit that's irrelevant. Everybody needs to understand that Mass Effect 3's ending is ambiguous and open to interpretation; if you weren't able to extract meaning out of the game's closing moments, then that's your problem and not Bioware's.

TOO DEEP 4 U

Nah dude it was just shitty writing.

I totally agree, anyone who says that the ending was not pure bullshit and full of plot holes did not play the same game i did, there is nothing to interpret at the end of ME3 its just awful.

If you're clever enough to look for subtle nods and winks you'll get it -- too bad everybody needs to have a crystal clear ending drawn on a piece of paper.

Mass Effects ending is almost brilliant, but told in the worst way possible. These "subtle nods" act more like subliminal messages that literally no one noticed because the game is so poorly paced. So stop acting like you're on some higher plane because you "got" the ending, I'm sure you had to have someone else tell you what "really" happened like the rest of us.

I never said anything about being on a higher plane, if anything it feels like everybody else insists on being on a lower plane -- if you hated the ending, then fine; move on and let it go. But if people are going so far as to attack the developer and demand a new ending, then I'm seriously starting to lose hope for today's video game community.

"We shall keep yelling and moaning till' we get what we want" is basically Retake Mass Effect 3 in a nutshell. It's an ambiguous ending that requires careful dissection, nothing more, nothing less, and more importantly, nothing to start an internet uproar about.

Saying it "requires careful dissection" and is "ambiguous" when everyone hates your ending is just a terrible writers excuse to save face

I never said the ending was perfect, but If you can extract meaning, it's less terrible.
 
Having read far too many comments on this thread, I can safely say that I agree that altering the ending is not going to make things better.
You've already seen that ending that you hate so much and spent far too many hours bitching about on the internet already, so really: what is the point?
 
Move on.
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I like how hypocritical people are in this thread. Hated the ending too, but the fact that people actually said something about it to Bioware makes them retarded crybabies?

Also cry how Bioware caved in and will give them DLC retconning the whole fiasco. You naysayers will lap it up as fast as the people who got you that DLC in the fucking first place.

Translation: People bitching about people bitching is fucking hilarious. Remove head from your asses, children. Them crying about it has absolutely no effect on you unless you are scared you're going to have to buy more DLC.

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Now do I finish ME3 or wait?

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@LordCmdrStryker said:

This whole thing just amazes me. So what if they change the ending - how will you feel? "Man I'm sure glad I shouted and got mad so Bioware was forced to do this thing for me! That makes all the screaming and crying and articles and Youtube videos and petitions totally worthwhile! In fact, I don't even remember why I got mad in the first place!" Except that's totally bullshit and you will definitely remember what happened. It isn't going to magically change how you felt.

People who get so involved in shit like this need to get ahold of their lives. Is the ending lame? Yeah, it is. Do I care? Sort of, but I played and loved those games for hundreds of hours and I have a BRAIN IN MY HEAD SO I CAN MAKE UP MY OWN ENDING IF I FEEL LIKE IT. There's too much bad stuff going on in the world for me to devote to caring about inconsequential crap like this.

This x100!
 
Moaning and crying until you get what you want isn't going to solve anything, which makes it all the more perplexing why on earth Bioware is giving in to all the hate and "feedback".
 
Take it for what it is --irrespective of how small it really is-- and move on; one half-assed ending isn't going to ruin three incredible games over the course of five years.
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@mrsmiley said:

Really. So art assets in the game, as well as dialogue, sounds, characters, etc that all point to this ending (an ending that actually makes sense verses the assumed ending that everyone is bitching about because it DOESN'T make sense), are just made up? I'm pretty sure the dream sequences actually happened in the game. I'm pretty Shepherd getting a wound without getting shot was in the game. I could go on, but it appears that you've already made your decision to believe that Bioware, after their history of incredible writing in Mass Effect and other series, just decided to give up with this one. Ok then.

The actual ending makes sense overall, there are just unexplained plot holes in it just as there are in the indoctrination theory. Neither one is better or worse when it comes to that. The main difference is that the ending in the game actually is an ending and the indoctrination thing is a cliffhanger. The indoctrination theory also requires a lot more speculation to explain the final scenes.

Also, why do you assume that Shepard's wound on his side is a gunshot wound? He just got blasted by a big ass laser.

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This doesn't really bother me. Shows they care about their fans, and I don't think they are going to do anything to drastic to what already exists. Crazy internet people suck, but obviously some people weren't happy with it for good reasons and Bioware acknowledges it.

I would be more pissed if they acted like those fucking dream sequences were any good. Anyone with taste in storytelling in film or games should acknowledge that those sequences are pretty terrible, and it makes me more comfortable playing the game knowing that they probably know those parts aren't genius by any stretch.

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I honestly thought the ME 2 ending was worse.

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I fucking hate when something needs to be retconned. I hate it, and I hate everyone who's been yelling about it... Clarification on what happened to other characters at the end? Sure. Changing the ending? No...

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@kyrieee said:

A (technically) fuckable Jessica Chobot

Crucial party member that's DLC only

Absurd amounts of cross-game promotion and pre-order only items

Rushed ending

and then you talk about artistic integrity

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@GrandHarrier said:

Watching Journalists just fucking blow up on Twitter was amazing. Seeing these guys be so condescending against the "complainers", only to start doing the same exact thing when BioWare exercise its right as the contents developer to change their work or not.

And not one of them has come out and said they got it wrong.

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@Dany said:

People are confusing the word 'clarify' with 'change' consistently in this thread...

This is the crux of it all. Everyone keeps spreading the lie that they are changing the ending.

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I guarantee you Bioware/EA will want to make this DLC you have to pay for. you know what? I think they have every fuking right to do so!! i hope they do tbh. I for one was happy with they way the ending turned out. I'm genuinely saddend by the fact that certain people demand they change it. i think its really unfair!! anyone agree with me?? or am i actually the only person in the world who enjoyed what happened?

Anyone........?

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so what was "wrong" with the ending? I never played any of the ME games

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I won't complain until I see what they actually do to address it.

But in the event that they wrap it all up into a nice neat bun so that all you fuckheads that don't like something unless it's explained to you in the most basic way possible... fuck you, fuck every single one of you.

Ever heard of artistic expression? This is the game they intended to make. Don't like it? Fine, but don't be dicks about it.

This past week has made me ashamed to call myself a gamer. I appreciate not liking something, heck, I even appreciate hating something. But the way some people have acted over this ending has been quite honestly, embarrassing. I really hope that Bioware don't completely cave and change the existing ending. That would make me lose faith in both Bioware, and the gaming community as a whole.

But, like I said, we'll wait and see what they do. I'll keep the majority of this post here, in the event that they do fuck it all up.

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@Creamypies: I have to admit you are right, I really disliked the way the gaming community reacted about the game's ending as well. I thought it was a little bit childish and could have been handled way better. But you have to admit, that the ending was really bad.

@drumpsycho89: I think the ending was bad, there were giant plot-holes and the whole explanation for the existence of the reapers was really, really bad. But I've never been a huge fan of the mass effect games, I like the games generally but never a huge fan. So I'm fine with the way the game ended, I'll just remember it as a decent game with a terrible ending, but I'm not willing to pay 10 bucks to see the "true" ending. If people want to see it changed that's fine I think it's just people's opinions, but I don't think Bioware needs to change the ending, maybe the future DLC will fill in the plot-holes.

So no I don't agree with you, if you like the ending the way it is, don't pay for DLC that changes the ending. It's that easy.

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Don't talk to me about artistic integrity when you can have sex with an IGN employee, buy a major lore based character for $10 and end your game with a "Buy DLC screen".

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Judging by the wonderfully disgusting "hey keep playing and buy some DLC!" message that occurs after the credits, I'm guessing they had planned this DLC from the beginning. And how would ending-related DLC even work if they weren't going to retcon or completely change the ending?

The adventures of EDI and Joker on random planet? Can those crazy kids settle down and make it work? Swiss Family Robinson gone sci-fi style.

The major plotholes and complete nonsensicalness of the ending and the scenes leading up to it makes me lean to the "this was all a dream" theory of the ending, but we'll see.

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As Jeff said on a recent podcast, Mass Effect deserved better than it got in 3. Acting like it was all part of the artistic plan, and the people who don't like it are barbarians at the gates out to ruin gaming for the real intellectuals? Give me a break.

As for what they "intended to make," looks to me like the game they intended got rushed. So we got what we got instead.

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@AntoineDiamonds: Without spoilers:

1)Main antagonists' reason is absolutely ridiculous.

2)They promised endings that would be affected by the choices you made and didn't deliver.

3)They introduced new elements to the story that created some huge plotholes.

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@WrenchNinja said:

Don't talk to me about artistic integrity when you can have sex with an IGN employee, buy a major lore based character for $10 and end your game with a "Buy DLC screen".

You are correct.

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@Vigil80: I never said you were barbarians, I was only referring to those who have taken their dislike to a whole new level.

Love it or hate it, it happened. Changing stuff that is already in the game isn't the answer. Answering every question that people have about where the universe stands at the end isn't either. They did what they did, and for the most part I thought it was fine. Not quite ME2 standards, but certainly not as dire as people have been making it out to be.

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@AntoineDiamonds: the series was all about 'choice.' They had you make some big decisions in all three games, saying they would all affect the story. They said the choices you made would give you, and I quote, 'wildly different endings.' However, none of your choices in ME1 change the story in any meaningful way in ME3. And no matter what you chose, in ALL THREE games, the endings you had to chose from were the same. It didn't matter what you'd decided, ever. To make things worse, the three endings you have to chose from? They're almost identical. Just with a different colour for some explosions.

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Bioware literally has the worst 'fans' anyone could ask for.

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Personally the only issue I had with the game is the cash grab Prothian DLC character. The more I hear and see on this game the more I'm glad I boycotted it & decided to buy any future Bioware games used for the time being. I think its reaching a bit to think there is a "real ending" DLC that's out there they expect people to pony up for, but man, IF there is. Hooo boy.

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lol at artistic integrity

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@Creamypies:

Sorry, wasn't intending to call you out specifically with that bit.

Are some people going too far with it? Sure. Someone always does. But that doesn't mean it isn't all true, and that the story can't benefit from another look.

Stories get changed all the time. Movies get director's cuts, books get special expanded editions, and so on.

They did what they did, ok. Know what else they're going to do? Release DLC. May as well be DLC that takes the complaints into account. I don't want a complete retcon, either - partially because I think they'd still screw it up - but some director's cut style additions could be swell.

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@mazik765:

Bioware has the fans they deserve.

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@Oherro said:

Personally the only issue I had with the game is the cash grab Prothian DLC character. The more I hear and see on this game the more I'm glad I boycotted it & decided to buy any future Bioware games used for the time being. I think its reaching a bit to think there is a "real ending" DLC that's out there they expect people to pony up for, but man, IF there is. Hooo boy.

That's why I'm annoyed by all this ending controversy. It's certainly a legitimate complaint, but where were all these people when there was a deliberately abusive DLC practice on day one? It seems like most people have just gotten used to it, but it still pisses me off just as much as when they did it in Dragon Age Origins. The Prothian is clearly important to the overall narrative, yet they put him behind a paywall for the sake of putting him behind a paywall. I refuse to believe that EA deserves that cash when they're releasing an already rushed and buggy game.

Like you, I've already resolved to not buy this game just because of the DLC. I definitely feel even more justified in that position now. The Bioware name is meaningless to me now.

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All the more reason to put off buying it for a few more months. Suits me fine.

Loved Andy Mac's tweet tho. How long before they start slapping Beta stickers on them boxes? ;)

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@Vigil80: As long as the post ending DLC they will no doubt end up making has me playing as someone else.

My Shepard is very dead, I really hope they don't make up some bullshit reason as to why he suddenly isn't.
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@Amtiskaw said:

@mazik765:

Bioware has the fans they deserve.

Damn Bioware making games for us to play....they obviously deserve to be sued - nay - put to death! How dare they insult us with this filfth!