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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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I'm not sure I like this "providing more clarity" it seems they're just going to elaborate the endings even more which is not exactly what I think people want.

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I'm sorry but I cannot help but notice how massive the internet rage has become over this and its still growing. Don't get me wrong though! I understand Bioware dropped the ball in writing the ending to one of the most hyped trilogies in gaming history (and yes I played the games) but you know what? I cannot stop laughing at this massive internet rage, and this has got to be also some of the most hilarious forum threads ever to grace gaming forums yet. I mean even the Bioware forums is flooded with ME3 ending hate threads and demands and yes! the comments there may have some fair points but I cannot help myself in seeing that it as incredibly hilarious. :P

*cheers* peeps, Sorry but I just couldn't stop laughing at this whole ordeal. LMAO!

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@Whitestripes09 said:

I'm not sure I like this "providing more clarity" it seems they're just going to elaborate the endings even more which is not exactly what I think people want.

Just sort of rubbing salt in the wound at that point.

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@Whitestripes09 said:

I'm not sure I like this "providing more clarity" it seems they're just going to elaborate the endings even more which is not exactly what I think people want.

between you and me, screw those people.

the only things objectively wrong with the ME3 ending is that it's mecanicaly broken in some spots. If they could fill some of those massive plot holes with DLC, why not?

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This is going to make the next podcast unbearable.

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@VanderSEXXX: I can't help but feel like most of the people complaining about it aren't actually all that upset, they just want to be on the 'winning' side of the argument, because even if bioware was already planning on doing some sort of post ending DLC before the chaos of complaints, the people screaming for it would still claim it as a victory.

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This is unfortunate.

No game developer should bow to the demands of extremists. This isn't a bug fix. This isn't a patch. This is possibly changing the intent of the game itself, and that is an insult to everyone who worked on it. Hopefully any content they provide will be minimal at most and not truly change the end. Otherwise, we'll be seeing the loudest minority demanding thematic changes to big games even more often in the future. "If it worked with ME3, it'll work again." Shameful.

We call this an art form and then spit on it as an art.

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@Mode7 said:

@Whitestripes09 said:

I'm not sure I like this "providing more clarity" it seems they're just going to elaborate the endings even more which is not exactly what I think people want.

Just sort of rubbing salt in the wound at that point.

No, I think it's exactly what people want. Or at least, what they need - which isn't always the same thing. I think most people just want the plot-holes filled and a bit more closure. Now that this possibility came up, I gave a moments thought how they could "fix" the ending (at least for me), with as few changes as possible.

1. Explain that the mass relay explosions are somehow different (i.e. they won't destroy the galaxies)

2. Give Shepard a chance to warn everyone that the mass relays will be going offline, so they get a chance to jump away

3. Show Normandy getting shot by a Reaper and crash on Mars or etc. (instead of jumpin through a mass relay for some reason)

4. Only show Joker and EDI (if she wasn't on the ground with you) getting off the Normandy

5. Add some text in the end that details what happens in the galaxy and with the more important characters afterwards

That's really all it would take to satisfy most of the people that are getting up in arms about this. No need for a happy ending or etc. Just add in a few scenes and a bit more text, so that it all makes sense.

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What is there for the ending is mostly fine. Of course people are going to complain, or praise, various revelations and conclusions. However the main issue I, and probably many other people, have about the ME3 ending is that it fails to conclude/resolve too much. Especially for the end of a huge trilogy. In that regard I wouldn't request, in any way, that Bioware change what is there, just add to it. Simply put, there is just too much left unsaid to be satisfactory. It's like writing an essay and then concluding it with, "I'm done." Artistic or not, that is not how one writes anything proper.

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@TruthTellah:

Art isn't immutable, and I think we're well past the point of "vocal minority."

And as already stated, it's very easy to call bullshit on the whole "artist's intent" bit in this case.

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"It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum..."

Can anyone explain to me how it might be physically possible to step either a literal or figurative foot onto an Internet forum?

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AWESOME! Now we get to see all this fury completely reverse (from the same people) as they scream "OH MY GOD!!! I don't play Bioware games for this Call of Duty, no subtelty bullshit! CHRIST BIOWARE! Let me decide what happened a LITTLE!! Worst. Company. Ever!!!!"

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@mazik765:

Bioware doesn't make games for us to play, they just want to sell them and make as much profit as they can. Which is why they keep releasing games that were obviously rushed.

And yes, Bioware as a company deserves "death". At least then another (hopefully better) developer can take their place.

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It's a shame they are buckling to the pressure. All they are doing is giving the internet crybabies credibility.

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Hey Mass Effect! Why u no end properry!

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@TheHT said:

Where the hell do you see Tali's face ingame? Is it romance only?

If no one has answered this for you then here:

You never see her face because if she took off her mask she would die from infection. There's fan art out there if you want to look, but from my understanding, you can never see her face.

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I'm getting a little tired of the press being so condescending about the whole thing. The outcry (even outrage) is not entirely unfounded. The advertising was misleading and the ending was unsatisfying. Now, have some people taken this too far? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the whole issue can be dismissed just because you disagree.

And it's offensive and misleading to paint everyone on the "this sucks" side of the argument with the same brush. It's the same as just trying to paint all CoD guys as "dudebros" or all gamers as "nerds." Not all people upset about this are being jerks about it. And you, as a journalist, owe us a bit more objectivity.

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I want to get on the record saying this in as many places as possible now, so I can look down my nose at the doubters in a month.

Honestly, I don't think BioWare foresaw this negative of a reaction to ME3's ending. They probably thought we'd all be stroking our beards, having high minded debates about what "really" happened. For whatever reason, they didn't expect people to take the events of the ending at face value.

The DLC was always going to happen. The game ends by telling you to check out the eventual DLC. None of this is in response to the fan outcry, other than BioWare painting this eventuality as a response to the fan outcry.

It'll be free to anyone who bought the game new (and kept it). It'll be an explanatory epilogue that confirms the "Indoctrination Theory," and shows what happened to everyone enough to set up even more (paid) DLC and, possibly, whatever offshoot directions the Mass Effect property takes.

Mark my words! I'm a guy with no proof, but strong suspicions, on the Internet!

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@WiqidBritt said:

@VanderSEXXX: I can't help but feel like most of the people complaining about it aren't actually all that upset, they just want to be on the 'winning' side of the argument, because even if bioware was already planning on doing some sort of post ending DLC before the chaos of complaints, the people screaming for it would still claim it as a victory.

Well that's the internet. Being anonymous and hiding behind forum tags simply warrant much of the primal freedom that either benefit or spoil the human race. LMAO!!!

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@EvilTwin said:

This is going to make the next podcast unbearable.

Pretty much. Each side hates the other, and the gaming media seems to be staunchly, for the most part, on one side. Which makes sense, that's their perspective. Fans have a different perspective. I'm a big ME3 fan, and I have no idea what to think, the whole thing is a catastrofuck on all sides, and no one's going to win.

Man, I loved that universe.

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People need to stop saying that Conan Doyle rewrote the ending of Sherlock Holmes. He didn't. He wrote a sequel that revealed that Holmes was alive. Which isn't the same thing. If vocal audiences had their way, Romeo would wake up earlier and save Juliet, the Starchild would explain the universe to Bowman, Frogs wouldn't rain in Magnolia, Rick would walk into the mist with Isla, and Constance would live happily ever after with D'Artagnan. Also, we'd see what was in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction and find out if Tony got whacked in the last scene of the Sopranos.

What's that? Charles Dickens changed the ending of Great Expectations? He did. And boy, that ending sucks.

Anyone who is mad about the ending of Mass Effect 3 is entirely entitled to their feelings about it. They just aren't entitled to a whole new ending.

To Bioware, I would say: there are a lot of people who aren't spewing internet hate who actually liked the ending of your game. Trying to appease a vocal internet mob is doomed to failure because for those people, more is never enough.

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@Vigil80 said:

@TruthTellah:

Art isn't immutable, and I think we're well past the point of "vocal minority."

And as already stated, it's very easy to call bullshit on the whole "artist's intent" bit in this case.

That's easy to say, but regardless of if businessmen already soiled a bit of the artist's intent with stupid things like advertisements for DLC at the end, that doesn't change the negative effect. We complain about that kind of stuff because we know it spits on the integrity of the game. Yet, just because something is being attacked on the inside doesn't make it suddenly right to also be attacked from the outside. Both businessmen within BioWare and extremist fans outside of BioWare are attacking artist's intent, and it should bother us all.

And it absolutely is a vocal minority. According to BioWare stats, less than 50% of people saw the end of ME2. Considering diminishing finishing stats with each subsequent game in the series, we're looking at an even lower finishing rate than the previous less than 50%. Amongst those people, there are those who will actually attempt to see the true ending. That's rather difficult; so, that's probably less than half of those previously. So, on a high estimate, perhaps 15% that have played the game have seen the full ending, and those people are divided between the extremely pissed, those who were okay with it, and those who thought it was fine. Thus, the extremely pissed are, by definition, the minority of people that have played the game.

And then there is the subsection of those displeased with the ending that are -so- displeased that they feel it necessary to demand a new ending. Not just say "This ending sucks" but say that they are entitled to a different ending than the one the developer created. That is an extreme minority somehow getting their way through persistent harassment, bullying, and general ranting. Whether businessmen in BioWare attacked the artistic integrity of the game already doesn't change that efforts by these extremists are also attacking that artistic integrity, and we, as gamers, should be ashamed of the level of vitriol which has twisted the arm of a developer not to fix their game but to inherently change it. That they are bowing to such pressure sets a horrible precedent, and hopefully they will not truly change the ending, only add details in possibly side missions or the epilogue to fill in loose ends.

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@s7evn: Naw dude, there's totally a picture of her in the game that Shepard picks up and looks at. I've seen an in-game screenshot of it, just never seen it in-game myself.

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I think Jeff pretty much nailed it in the bombcast. Mass Effect is over for me. It was a fun ride with some great high points.

Multiplayer is pretty fun. Some GoW3 friends have moved over to it with me and we'll probably burn another week or three with it.

I'm not interested at all in more Mass Effect story though. I didn't get the From Ashes DLC and I don't really see a reason to bother with it now that I've finished the game. I'm certainly not going to be buying any additional DLC either.

I s-ranked the other two games, played them both thru 5+ times each. I did insanity runs with weird builds just for kicks. I bought all of the DUMB gear DLC for ME2. I bought all of the DLC for ME1 and ME2! I LOVED Bring Down the Sky. So it's not like I'm just a casual fan :)

honestly I would love to see some kind of Mako action game. Don't hate me, the Mako is awesome.

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They can't retcon the ending it just sets a dangerous precedent. I hope Bioware stick to their choices.

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As much as I have an opinion on this and how this entire thing is fucking ridiculous. I am so damn tired of talking about this. I see the forums inflated with the same damn thread and I am just too tired to continue arguing.

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@roguehallow: The sad part is, even if EA did ruin the ending, which I see no reason to believe, then BioWare is still done. If EA can force BioWare to do whatever they want, BioWare's intentions are pretty much irrelevant.

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Really sick of talking about this but I couldn't NOT post this.

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@Dany said:

As much as I have an opinion on this and how this entire thing is fucking ridiculous. I am so damn tired of talking about this. I see the forums inflated with the same damn thread and I am just too tired to continue arguing.

If you wanted to leave the conversation, all you had to say was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq-p0ysCF6E

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@TruthTellah said:

And then there is the subsection of those displeased with the ending that are -so- displeased that they feel it necessary to demand a new ending. Not just say "This ending sucks" but say that they are entitled to a different ending than the one the developer created. That is an extreme minority somehow getting their way through persistent harassment, bullying, and general ranting. Whether businessmen in BioWare attacked the artistic integrity of the game already doesn't change that efforts by these extremists are also attacking that artistic integrity, and we, as gamers, should be ashamed of the level of vitriol which has twisted the arm of a developer not to fix their game but to inherently change it. That they are bowing to such pressure sets a horrible precedent, and hopefully they will not truly change the ending, only add details in possibly side missions or the epilogue to fill in loose ends.

You're making a boatload of assumptions and then using those assumptions to cast aspersions on a group that is asking for a change. There are way too many variables here to make the call that an "extreme minority" have issues with the ending (and you can't argue that it's 'extreme' because most people don't finish the game, since those people who don't finish the game don't factor into this discussion one way or the other). Only a fraction of people who play a game even feel it necessary to comment on a game on the internet, and if we're going to throw around a bunch of logical assumptions based on simple mathematics, the larger the number of people contained in the vocal minority complaining, the larger the number of people in the "silent" minority who agree. The rebuttal here might be "but special circumstances and etc" but that argument could be applied to both sides. Since we're just generalizing here I'll stand by the statement.

You're also assuming that the precedent we're setting here is that gamers can complain about endings they don't like in order to get them changed. I would argue that the precedent we're setting is an understanding between developers and their fanbase that if you lie to us over and over in your marketing we're going to come after you and hold your feet to the fire for it. Maybe we're inadvertently setting both precedents, in which case I think the amount of good we're doing for the industry outweighs the bad. After Bethesda lied to us over and over again about the number of endings to Fallout 3 I was really hoping not to get burned by the same sorts of "marketing" from another publisher, but I think EA, Activision, and other prominent game publishers over the years have already set a precedent of their own for misleading marketing being used to boost sales. Hopefully this punches that in the balls.

Lastly this isn't about maintaining artistic integrity or vision or whatever. Anyone who puts 5 minutes into researching why people are upset about the ending should know that the ending just doesn't make any sense. I doubt it was designed by the same team that wrote the rest of the game, regardless of what I'm told by the talking heads at EA or a developer on the defensive. It isn't about making some sort of bold, weird, hippy, liberal statement about the universe and stuff, man. It's about giving us an ending that goes so far as to assume we didn't actually pay attention to the game up to that point and would be satisfied with a cut scene almost totally unrelated to the events of the game. That, on top of all the rest of it, is why people are pissed. It isn't about an unhappy ending, or an unfulfilling ending, or even about the logical disconnects in the ending, it's all those things coming together to completely fail to tell us anything after we spent $200+ to see what happens to the universe they created.

Personally I think the ending of a game is the most important part of it, though that's just total personal bias seeing as how I am in the minority that completes these games. I hope this will pressure more developers to flesh out the endings of their games so I can feel more closure in general when I wrap up a title.

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The ending is the ending, for good, bad or indifferent.

What needs to be fixed however, is the face import problem. That's just plain preposterous.

More Mako and cakes wouldn't hurt, either.

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Didn't like the ending. Don't like pressure from the masses to change things either, but then again we this happens with gameplay mechanics and people praise that. A perfectly acceptable decision would be to add more, clarify things etc that were just left hanging. Changing/ret-conning or the intent of the ending based on public outcry is weird. ME3's ending didn't feel to me that it relied on that ambiguity. I saw no bitching about the concept of Prince of Persia's added DLC "ending" just the execution. Which is really all that matters. Either way i'm tired of this. I'm tired of the boycott talk, I'm tired of the strange media reaction that any criticism of the ending is somehow from an insane person.

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I feel that Bioware should just ask one of the game's creators to defend the ending and try and counter some of the criticism that is being levelled against its story. Writers, filmakers, artists, architects, etc. are normally asked at some point to defend what they've created, and I think that could possibly help disspel some of the dissatisfaction and disappointment so many people are currently feeling.

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@Milkman: 1) A funny picture; 2) with a cute puppy in it; and 3) making us forget about Mass Effect 3 and start thinking about ice cream. That's 3 fat Awesome Points you just earned yourself there.

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For once and for all, would people stop just saying that everyone is whining because they want a "happy" ending? That's not what makes the ending bad. No-one is complaining about earlier in the game when

Mordin sacrifices himself to save the Krogan race

In fact that's probably the best part of the game. Of course, the reason was that that part of the game made sense in the context of the characters and the world. It was a worthy resolution for that character's arc. Just like many of the other bittersweet moments in the game. Lots of people died. It was still a good story.

The problem is that the ending doesn't make any fucking sense in the context of the world, the themes of the game, Shepard's character arc, or anything you've been led to believe up till then about the Reapers. A twist would be fine, but this is a rushed "twist" that contradicts three games worth of plot and doesn't even make sense on its own terms. It's bad writing. It's a poor resolution to an otherwise good story. It provides no closure to any of the characters you've grown close to over those three games, and in fact leaves the player completely baffled as to what happened to them.

Journey had an ambiguous, yet well-done and emotionally satisfying ending. This might have been what they were going for, but it failed utterly. And it stands out compared to how well-constructed the rest of the characters, story, and world are. The fact that people have constructed this wild indoctrination theory is just evidence for how much respect people have for Bioware's storytelling prowess when it comes to this series - people are in disbelief that Bioware could have fumbled this badly in constructing a consistent, satisfying ending and are grasping to anything that would make the ending make any sense.

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You guys are dumb, Sheppard DIED in the second one, he was never brought back to life, all of this is his/her fantasy world as she/he accepts it.

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This may have been said before but I think most people's biggest problem with the Mass Effect 3 ending and the lead up to the ending was that basically all our choices from the 1st 3 games and especially all our efforts building up a massive Coalition of Alien Fleets made no difference at all. It didn't matter. Most of you who have finished it know what I'm talking about. Red, Green, Blue. The Battle for Earth...same no matter what.... cinematic same no matter what... etc. What's your favorite color?

I'm sure these options would have been fleshed out if it had another 6 months of Dev time. Where's muh Volvus Bombing fleets and Geth Primes bringing the Rain of the hordes of Husks?

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I know many people disagree with fans voicing their disappointment in the ending on the internet and joining together to try to effect change. Some of it might be deserved: some fans have made it personal against Bioware and the developers that worked hard to complete the game. That's wrong. Yet I do believe that passionate but civil debate about the ending is warranted. For a franchise where "choice" was always a concept discussed by developers and hyped by marketers, the ending seemed to devalue the cumulative choices accrued during the trilogy and to force a play style on the gamer. My objections to the ending are not just the substance of the ending but also the style. The ending cinematic seemed rushed and disjointing - displaying plot holes - that seemed incongruent with its position as the last images you will see of the Mass Effect trilogy.

I think the last couple of weeks of internet discussion and protest have been a net positive for the industry and the gaming community. I wish people wouldn't keep throwing out terms like "entitled" gamers. Someone earlier in the thread even referred to people voicing their disappointment in the ending as "extremists". Given the support fans have given Bioware over the years, I don't think giving honest and civil feedback while hoping for changes by Bioware represents an extremist view.

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Essentially, it sounds like it's just a DLC pack made up of excuses as to why the ending was so fucking stupid.

"So, Bioware, why was

at the end?" "Well, the DLC pack will show you that he was actually just on his way to get some McDonalds when Shepard made his R/G/B beam decision" And on the side, they get money for it. The only way I am experiencing Bioware from now on is through used sales. I'm not falling sucker for their streamlined, catering BS any more.

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@TruthTellah: That's all well and good, except that, by those calculations, the number of people who could/would legitimately contest the dissatisfied minority is at least as small. So I guess we're back where we started.

Besides, it's already been pointed out that nowhere has it been said that Bioware has been forced to change the ending. They're addressing it, "clarifying" it, which could mean anything. But even if they did, is it so outside the realm of possibility that someone at Bioware could simply agree? Say, "You know what? I'm not happy with it, either. Let's see what we can do about it." Would that make it ok?

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@cavemantom: I'll buy that for a dollar. Or MS Points. Which ever comes first.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the ending. Clarification wouldn't hurt, though.

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It sounds like they're just going to spell out to people that, no, Sheperd didn't blow up the galaxy. Because, yes, there are doofuses who think that's what happened.

There's no way to make the petitioners happy, while preserving artistic integrity. They want it wadded up and tossed in the garbage. The fact is, you can always make something a little bit more concise or read a little bit better. But the people who reject the ending are going to be disappointed and accuse BioWare of not listening and/or lying to them when they don't get exactly what they want. And the people who accepted the ending already understood it and don't need further clarification. So who is this for? What does this accomplish? Temporary placation to shut people up during the all-important first 60 days of sales? I'm usually not THAT cynical, but it's looking like that's the answer.

The truth is, we've already seen the ending. Even if the new ending is the most awesome thing ever, we will still know how it ended originally, which will completely diffuse our emotional response to any changes.

If there's one thing I think BioWare is really lost on, it's in their relationship with their fans. They pride themselves on listening and encouraging feedback and where has it gotten them? The amount of outrage and vitriol that has been directed toward them over the past year is staggering.

They're like a person who has learned in life that maintaining eye contact is ia good social strategy, and then one day he goes to a zoo, makes eye contact with a large chimp, and gets his face eaten off.

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@SonicBoyster: I'm not contesting that many of those speaking up online have been unhappy with the ending, but then, most have not been asking for the ending to actually be changed by DLC or patching. I take no issue whatsoever with people being displeased with the end of the game or even thinking that it is unfulfilling. My problem is with those who take it a step further into extreme suggestions that they dramatically change the ending. And the vitriol with which these extremists(which are extremists by the very definition of how they are the extremes of fandom making irrational demands in a rather sorry manner) are trying to force the hand of the developer and set a horrible precedent for the gaming industry. A lot of this is a sad side effect of our current DLC culture. Two wrongs do not make a right in this situation, and while there have been occasional reasonable voices expressing an interest in an "improved" ending, the vast majority have been a seething sea of bile expressing the worst kind of fandom. Whether you feel you are on a righteous quest to stand up to these big developers no matter the cost or not, the way in which these fringe fans have responded is nothing for any of us to be proud about, and for BioWare to possibly yield to such disgusting displays is a horrible thing for the industry.

If you wanted more business input in the direction of games and their stories, you got it, because this kind of anger has gotten businessmen at BioWare realizing they may need to keep the developers on a tighter leash when it comes to what kind of stories they can create. To bring up a relevant example to recent events, this is like those clueless businessmen who fired Jeff from GameSpot all those years ago because they couldn't handle the heat from a publisher; except, in this case, it's clueless businessmen seeing relentless, harassing fans demanding they force the developer to change thematic elements of the game. So, they're buckling to pressure and telling the developer to fix it in any way that keeps their money safe. It's knee-jerk nonsense, and it is not a good thing for gamers or the industry.

No end result of any of this will help us as gamers. And it certainly won't help developers. Any gains here are merely short-lived, and any demands are short-sighted to the longer term damage done by this madness. We are all losing in this, and it's thanks to clueless businessmen at the top and extremist fans at the bottom. This is a sorry moment in gaming to see unfold.

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@Vigil80 said:

@TruthTellah: That's all well and good, except that, by those calculations, the number of people who could/would legitimately contest the dissatisfied minority is at least as small. So I guess we're back where we started.

Besides, it's already been pointed out that nowhere has it been said that Bioware has been forced to change the ending. They're addressing it, "clarifying" it, which could mean anything. But even if they did, is it so outside the realm of possibility that someone at Bioware could simply agree? Say, "You know what? I'm not happy with it, either. Let's see what we can do about it." Would that make it ok?

As I said in response to SonicBoyster, a lot of the issue is the horrible precedent being set if they change the ending. I don't know any big game which has ever seen a significant change to its ending, and I don't want to see that happen. If some people at BioWare want to just "clarify" things, as I said originally, I might consider that okay. But then, that can't be changing the ending, that could just perhaps add some details to some side quests and maybe a little epilogue, stuff like that. I generally don't like developers or filmmakers to ever really buckle to pressure about open-ended endings; so, I'm skeptical about such a change. I mean, if people shouted enough for Christopher Nolan to reveal more details about the ending of Inception, I'd be pretty put off, as the open-endedness was part of the whole point. You know what I mean? I can get why people are displeased with the ending, but to demand it be changed, as many of the extreme have, isn't right. And we shouldn't encourage that kind of crazy fandom.

I hope that, at most, they give a few details, perhaps through optional side quests, while leaving the actual ending intact.

Or, heck, maybe they can just come out and say, "Hey, guys, here's some further details: every main character is raped and killed and the universe is destroyed in the most horrific way imaginable. You and everyone you love will die some day, your existence is meaningless, and hope is a lie. Peace." I might be okay with that, as well. ;)

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"Because that's how the world works now, I guess."

Spoken like a true former game studio stump (or, what, Harmonix didn't pay the bills?). What's the issue with the enthusiast press? Is it the fact that the consumers of a product are voicing their displeasure at the quality of a product? Because it is a lot easier to wag fingers at those that actually, you know, spend money on games and aren't sent review copies. Or those who don't get to go to conferences, usually on the dollar of a developer or off the ad revenue which comes out of the pockets of paying customers.

Let's not get into the artistic argument with you knuckle draggers living inside the nice gooey center of gaming press who have to go huckster to keep the start up capital going long enough to get bought up by other parent companies. Consumers get their say too. They get a voice too, and one that should echo over the noise of 'journalists' who have to dance the tango because they don't want sources to dry up or to be shut out from all that 'amazing' preview coverage which acts as nothing more than a bunch of cooing until something drops and gets labeled with the same old problems that you and your ilk have helped to motivate.

Worried that customers can bypass you, bypass your coverage, have a direct dialogue with a game studio? I would be too. It might mean actually having to do something for a living instead of going to gaming conventions and drinking with others in your all inclusive circle. Or not, given how you're all so easily prepared that you usually step into community roles for game designers or publishers, like little old Alex did, before he somehow was able to get the capital to help start a movie website that he and none of his staff had the credentials for.

It's all in who you know, right?

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Bioware agrees to fix the fucking ending for everyone making a fuss. Everyone bitches about having to pay for a new ending.

I hate all of you.

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@Sackmanjones said:

Oh people. They said clarify the ending not change it. Jesus people can't read

Hey buddy, how dare you read what they wrote! Don't you know that this is the internet?

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@Otzlowe:Dumbasses complain about having to spend money.

Lots of people, thousands of people are willing to pay ten bucks. If they can get a Child's Play charity past $77,000 to state their message of changing endings, you really think they're going to have problems giving that money to EA and Bioware?

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A little more credit is being given than is deserved with regard to their "artistic intent," in my opinion.

If they stood behind it, and said, "This is our ending, it's what we always wanted, please accept that," I would probably, grudgingly get behind them. I think most of gamer-dom would.

Of course, I also might then advise people to stop playing ME3 three quarters of the way through, or maybe not at all. Sort of like how Machete order is probably the best way to experience Star Wars.

But such has not been their response. I'm convinced there's more to it than artists' heartfelt vision and the public's cruel rebuke.

@TruthTellah said:

Or, heck, maybe they can just come out and say, "Hey, guys, here's some further details: every main character is raped and killed and the universe is destroyed in the most horrific way imaginable. You and everyone you love will die some day, your existence is meaningless, and hope is a lie. Peace." I might be okay with that, as well. ;)

Somehow, I could have guessed that...