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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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@GrandHarrier said:

Watching Journalists just fucking blow up on Twitter was amazing. Seeing these guys be so condescending against the "complainers", only to start doing the same exact thing when BioWare exercise its right as the contents developer to change their work or not.

They are as quick to overreact as everyone else.

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ewwww this sets a bad precedent

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: I just deleted my post. After looking into the Indoctrination Theory a little more, I realized that the ending actually makes complete sense, and is in fact sort of awesome. Also, my whole post was kind of a mean-spirited swipe at EA, which wasn't called for. I do think they're going to try to sell us a DLC epilogue, though.

PS: Sorry if this is a double-post (?).

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@kristov_romanov said:

Hey buddy, how dare you read what they wrote! Don't you know that this is the internet?

Snorlax is SO the best Pokemon, you're crazy!

Wait... I'm sorry, I just read what you actually wrote. Please disregard.

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@Vigil80 said:

A little more credit is being given than is deserved with regard to their "artistic intent," in my opinion.

If they stood behind it, and said, "This is our ending, it's what we always wanted, please accept that," I would probably, grudgingly get behind them. I think most of gamer-dom would.

Of course, I also might then advise people to stop playing ME3 three quarters of the way through, or maybe not at all. Sort of like how Machete order is probably the best way to experience Star Wars.

But such has not been their response. I'm convinced there's more to it than artists' heartfelt vision and the public's cruel rebuke.

@TruthTellah said:

Or, heck, maybe they can just come out and say, "Hey, guys, here's some further details: every main character is raped and killed and the universe is destroyed in the most horrific way imaginable. You and everyone you love will die some day, your existence is meaningless, and hope is a lie. Peace." I might be okay with that, as well. ;)

Somehow, I could have guessed that...

But then, "This is our ending, it's what we always wanted, please accept that" -has- been their response. It was their first major response from Casey Hudson, executive producer of the game.

"So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions. You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending- to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way. Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection."

Sure he doesn't say it as straightforward as you did, but no public statement was going to be that frank. In it, though, he made clear that the ending was the ending they intended it to be the whole time. And while saying there might be added content to add clarity, the ending wasn't going to change. That is "This is our ending, it's what we always wanted, please accept that" plus a little extra content for the sake of clarity. Sure I would have preferred something more stern, but come on, the businessmen at the top wouldn't have allowed anything truly contentious in such a public statement. It's about as close as any company would give in saying the ending is what they planned it to be and people should just deal with it. Unfortunately, all this hullabaloo has caused businessmen at the top to twist their arm to "fix" it, which is just sad.

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Not sure how to react to this. On one hand, I thought the ending was rather poor. On the other hand, I don't like the notion that people who have already bought three $60 games will have to shell out even more to get a satisfying conclusion. On the third(?!) hand, I've already budgeted to buy every ME3 DLC anyway, so it doesn't effect me at all.

RE: artistic integrity, I don't see a problem with retconning (which the statements don't read like this is anyway). You make a work to try to elicit a particular emotion. Going by everything they've said pre-release, they intended the audience's reaction to ending the trilogy to be "satisfied", as opposed to "disappointed" or in some cases "Tasmanian Devil-style frothing and twirling". I don't see a problem with modifying an ending that didn't function as intended.

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The funniest thing about this has been the gaming press jumping from attacking the people who disliked the terrible ending, and defending Bioware's right to creative autonomy, to attacking Bioware for exercising their creative autonomy when they decide it is in their best interests to make this DLC. Maybe it wasn't the ending or the creator's authority over their universe that you cared about, maybe you just don't like it when a large group of people on the internet dislike something. Hence the gross characterisation of an entire group of people as whiny, self-entitled children because they didn't like a rushed, poorly explained and poorly executed last 15 minutes of what they thought was previously a FANTASTIC game and series.

Constantly and snidely making the analogy that you are the older sibling of a younger sibling that is crying and getting what it wanted from Daddy is such typical lazy journalism from one of the most consistently amateurish sections of the medium. (See: Owen Good) This reaction covers you in no glory, it makes you look as childish as the people you were trying to reprimand for being upset about something they paid for.

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Congratulations, virgins! You win!!!

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@dillonator said:

Let's not get into the artistic argument with you knuckle draggers living inside the nice gooey center of gaming press who have to go huckster to keep the start up capital going long enough to get bought up by other parent companies.

Daaaaaaamn son

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@TheHT

You're probably right about the romance thing then. Looks like its on youtube if that's true.

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@TruthTellah:

We'll just have to agree to disagree. That statement regards the tone of the ending, not the content. Or the construction.

If you stop and examine the complaints, it doesn't have much to do with happy versus sad, or "bittersweet," or whatever else. Though I certainly take issue with angst for its own sake, but that's another topic.

Oh well, time to go play something and wait to see what Bioware comes up with.

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The idea that bioware had to come out to defend their story sucks. This thread sucks. Gaming focused internet as a whole has really sucked lately. Stop sucking.

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Bioware never did exactly say....this was the last mass effect game

Does anybody actually remember mass effect 2s ending? THAT was even worse!! Oh, the reapers are coming, and NOW you end? WTF?!

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The real question is, where is Dr. Greg in all this?

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@user_1 said:

The idea that bioware had to come out to defend their story sucks. This thread sucks. Gaming focused internet as a whole has really sucked lately. Stop sucking.

None of those things suck any nearly as bad as their ending.

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@Jaysinya90: @Jaysinya90 said:

The funniest thing about this has been the gaming press jumping from attacking the people who disliked the terrible ending, and defending Bioware's right to creative autonomy, to attacking Bioware for exercising their creative autonomy when they decide it is in their best interests to make this DLC. Maybe it wasn't the ending or the creator's authority over their universe that you cared about, maybe you just don't like it when a large group of people on the internet dislike something. Hence the gross characterisation of an entire group of people as whiny, self-entitled children because they didn't like a rushed, poorly explained and poorly executed last 15 minutes of what they thought was previously a FANTASTIC game and series.

Constantly and snidely making the analogy that you are the older sibling of a younger sibling that is crying and getting what it wanted from Daddy is such typical lazy journalism from one of the most consistently amateurish sections of the medium. (See: Owen Good) This reaction covers you in no glory, it makes you look as childish as the people you were trying to reprimand for being upset about something they paid for.

This bothers me a little as well, especially since it seems to be thes starndard response from some of the Giantbomb guys whenever there a large outcry over something.

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You know what i love about Giant Bomb?
Sure there are still plenty of people making shallow degradatory and sometimes even hostile comments. (internet be internet)
But in this thread alone there are still a great number of people who are willing to look at this issue from different perspectives, argue about it, disagree with each other normally.
There are people on both sides of the fence. Sometimes they throw poo at each other.

However it's far more pleasant to read this thread then t reading the journalistic tweeter feeds on this issue. like this http://www.gamespot.com/features/who-wins-when-mass-effect-3s-ending-changes-6367380/
These are the people who are supposed to be the voice of rationality and wisdom of the gaming comunity, the part of the internet that matured.
Yet they (granted not all) have been a great influencing source of snide remarks and fueling of even more conflict.  (this article is no exception)
The poo feels like it's mostly being thrown in one direction.

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@mazik765 said:

@Amtiskaw said:

@mazik765:

Bioware has the fans they deserve.

Damn Bioware making games for us to play....they obviously deserve to be sued - nay - put to death! How dare they insult us with this filfth!

You know your position against one side is weak when you have to claim they want people fucking KILLED. That's not Hyperbole, that's complete and utter lack of understanding to the point where you need to exaggerate the other side to ridiculous proportions.

"Everyone who liked the ending deserves to be put to death! they are worse than HITLER! How DARE they like the ending!"

Yeah, that's real conducive to discussion and debate

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@RichieJohn said:

@GValo: I disagree.

I know what you mean about the destruction caused by a Mass Relay exploding but I immediately assume that the Reaper kid destroys them by some more elegant means than what Shepherd did in Arrival. Not causing that destruction.

In fact

The destruction at the end is far different than in Arrival. Arrival was a violent explosion that released all of the stored energy of the Mass Relay. If you watch the endings of ME3, you'll clearly see that the Mass Relay breaks when all the energy, including its own stored energy is used to send the signal. The Relay's essentially implode. It's an entirely different scenario.
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This is what happens when you try to appease this audience:

No one - especially Bioware - should try to make these guys happy. Leave them to the Bobby Koticks of the world, so they can snort up all the Call of Duty clones in the world. And uh, Halo Reach apparently. :D

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@vinsanityv22 said:

This is what happens when you try to appease this audience:

No one - especially Bioware - should try to make these guys happy. Leave them to the Bobby Koticks of the world, so they can snort up all the Call of Duty clones in the world. And uh, Halo Reach apparently. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kpTvm6CYA

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it's a good game people. they made it and they're happy with it. just cause everything isn't all sunshine in the end doesn't mean you could harass the world.If you don't like the ending in a book are you going to annoy the author for a refund!?!?!?!

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@SvedkaSucio92 said:

just cause everything isn't all sunshine in the end doesn't mean you could harass the world.

People have stated over and over that the ending not being happy isn't their problem with the ending.

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As someone who repeatedly complains about the state of cinema and other media I find the irony in Alex's statements to rich as fuck.  Omnom Alex.

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@GnomeonFire said:

I haven't played it yet, but it can't be that bad.

Oh, it's that bad.

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This video is a little **SPOILERY**, but it's my favorite by far that's come out of this whole fiasco.

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Effing. Hilarious.

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I tend to think the ending was rather crap, but Bioware doesn't owe me anything. That said, can we stop the hyperbole in the other direction now? I've seen Mass Effect 3 compared to the Mona Lisa, Starry Night, and Requiem for a Dream today. Jeezus. I get the games as art argument, but if people are gonna use it can they not be completely disengenuous? Compare it to Die hard or Independence Day not Michelangelo's David.

Also how did no reviews at least mention the ending? Or am I just missing them( I admit I never looked very hard)?

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I can't believe this shit. You can't just "change an ending", even if it was underwhelming or even downright disappointing.

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@Pinworm45 said:

@mazik765 said:

@Amtiskaw said:

@mazik765:

Bioware has the fans they deserve.

Damn Bioware making games for us to play....they obviously deserve to be sued - nay - put to death! How dare they insult us with this filfth!

You know your position against one side is weak when you have to claim they want people fucking KILLED. That's not Hyperbole, that's complete and utter lack of understanding to the point where you need to exaggerate the other side to ridiculous proportions.

"Everyone who liked the ending deserves to be put to death! they are worse than HITLER! How DARE they like the ending!"

Yeah, that's real conducive to discussion and debate

So I can't criticize the mindless hyperbole of the other side with mindless hyperbole of my own?

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Can they change the last boss of Mass Effect 2, and some how make the reapers make sense? They're fun games. I wasn't shot in the face by it.

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Bioware remains the absolute kings of releasing defensive statements while saying absolutely NOTHING of substance. Why do they feel the need to release this nonsense?

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@LegendaryChopChop: Why not?

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@thechronodarkness: That's because it was supposed to be the dark middle chapter. And you had achieved an impossible mission that significantly set-back the arrival of the Reapers! If it wasn't for your courageous, balls-out charge into certain death, the universe would've been even LESS prepared than it was in ME3.

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Simultaneously grossed out by the gaming community as a whole and excited for any new Mass Effect content to devour. Worst part is now all the asshats are going to think they "won" and try it again with a different game.

Fuck the internet.

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Okay, so I beat the game, in a bit of a hurry before all the internet traffic spoiled the ending for me...and I didn't get why people were so angry until I read up on it afterwards. Now I can understand being *annoyed*, but honestly the level this has grown to feels a bit out of hand to me.

Would I have liked more closure, yes. Do I want any drastic, sweeping changes? No. Honestly if they tack on a few screens of text that fill me in a bit better on who lives/dies or what some of my choices influenced, that would be neat.

That being said, this feels like a bit of "stop and smell the roses" to me. Other than the fact that it's simply amazing that in such a large universe I would run in to people I know *all the time*, I found my first trip through the game to be enjoyable and rewarding. My char had come all the way through ME1 and 2, without having played any of the DLC from 2. Seeing the influence this import had on characters whatnot was amazing to me, and I yelled at my screen a few times. The game *was* the ending, in my mind. And at least there wasn't a crummy, tacked on boss fight this time.

Also, my understanding from what I've seen is there might be clarification, but not a retcon (thankfully.) The SPOILER ALERT post ending screen even tells you that you can continue Shep's "Legend", and drops you at a point before the final assault takes place. DLC will most likely be crammed into the middle of the story.

All this crap that nobody cares about being said, I think I would have been happy if the game ended with MORE SPOILER ALERT/WISHFUL THINKING the defeat of Cerberus/TIM and led into a kickass multiplayer title based around fighting the Reapers.

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15euro for better ending and then 30euro for the best ending. way to go!

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Hope this turns out well.

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@lolwot:

Complaining so that the next game Bioware makes doesn't have this problem is fine. That's how art and products in general have been working since the dawn of time. Again, I'm surprised to see how people (here and on other sites) don't seem to understand my point : yes, criticism is fine, and required. It all depends on how you do it, and what you expect from it, obviously.

But complaining and demanding that the game itself is changed, now that would be a very frightening predecent, on the other hand, and that's what I have a problem with.

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From Jeff's Review: "And though it leaves a hint of an opening for some further adventures in this universe via a really hokey post-credits sequence, the actual endings provide a decent bit of closure for your Shepard story..."

This is a damned lie. Now Giant Bomb joins ranks with practically every other game journalist who fed their readers the same lie and ridicules those very readers for having the audacity to be outraged by the deception.

EDIT: And to everyone harping on about the games-as-art nonsense, there comes a point where any desire for artistic integrity is eclipsed by the promises made to the consumer. When you say that your product is going to include something (multiple highly divergent endings) and then decide on the basis of artistic license that you will not, in fact, include that thing, you are a LIAR. Thousands of us were persuaded to purchase this game under false pretenses, and we believe Bioware should be called to account for this.

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Does this make the Mass Effect fans as crazy as the Star Wars fans? Sure looks like it.

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Being dissatisfied and voicing critique is one thing. And totally fine. But way too many people have been acting like complete assbags over this. I have played all three games ALOT and have been as invested in the universe as anyone, and though I did find the ending rather cut short, I didn`t really mind all that much.

Now I fear that Bioware will work their ass off on something just to recieve even more flak.

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Hey GiantBomb crew! Did moving into those new offices addle your collective brains? BioWare has shown a willingness to compromise in the issues than fans having with their flagship franchise. In other words they're trying to resolve the situation. It sounds like to me you guys want them to die on the hill of art, sacrificed and martyred to prove some vague point you want to make about the internet being bad.

Quit acting like your sleeping with EA and do some journalism. Investigate the events that led up to this, break down the arguments on all sides and try to be objective about it instead of copying and pasting. Wishing this matter would just go away is just lazy and makes you guys look like a privately contracted PR/Advertising outlet rather than a video game website made for gamers.

And to all the people posting that don't give a shit about Mass Effect, but are using it as an excuse just to position themselves higher up some kind of perceived geek hierarchy two words - fuck off.

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Kind of annoyed at the reaction. I thought the ending was dumb too, but do you know what I did? Moved on with my damn life. Too many games to play, not enough free time.

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Reposting from another thread, but I felt the discussion was a bit fuller here.

So, when that mass effect novel was filled will plot holes and inconsistencies, people, and game journalists, more or less went "how did the writers let this get printed! it flies in the face of logic!" thus, a revised edition of that novel is in the works, in order to not entirely unravel the plot. When it happens in this game, though, when the plot is inconsistent and in fact contradicts itself, we can't even think about changing it, because it has "artistic integrity"?

People really need to stop worrying about games being art. Either you think they are or you think they are not. I think they are, but I don't need to prove it to somebody who doesn't. When a novel,(a conventional work of art) is changed because it is wrong and contradicts itself, people don't bat an eye. They don't feel like they need to defend the author's artistic vision. Do gamers just have insecurity then when it comes to their medium? Do they need to baby games writing and say that it should stay as it is regardless, because of "artistic integrity?"

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This is entire Mass Effect thing has been one giant train wreck.  i more dislike the ME crazed fan base then EA/Bioware. its one thing if you didnt like the ending and wanted to be vocal about it, its another thing to go about it the way the internet did. 
 
oh well, il be alone, i enjoyed ME3 i liked the ending.

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@dudeglove:

Looks like Bioware thought that clarifying the ending to fans was crucial-ible!

The fan reaction to the ending wasn't very Sarendipitous!

Is this news a Harbinger of things to come?

I geth Bioware couldn't take the criticism!

I hope they don't plan on high-taling out of here with our DLC money!

Oh Man, I'm such a Jeff Moreau! ;)