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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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@msavo: Well they're the people that probably won't get that upset with the ending, I have to admit.

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@Death_Burnout said:

Now that only the goof's voices are being heard, what about the voices of us poor sane people who wanted nothing? nothing I guess...ha.

If you want nothing, you can have that by not paying, downloading, or playing any future content. Pretty simple.

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@Clonedzero said:

@Milkman: bullied? they are a company. they answer to share holders. they aren't your friend, they aren't your buddy. you shouldnt feel bad for them at all. they want to sell you shit, you want to buy the shit you think is worth buying. its called capitalism.

deal with it?

When did I say I feel bad for BioWare? I feel bad that they gave in. I don't feel sorry for them.

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@Sergeant_Stubby said:

whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them

Can you explain to me how

Joker managed to pick up my squad with the Normandy, after we got hit by harbinger's beam so they should be just as fucked as I am if not dead; and why they left me behind and are fleeing the battle like cowards?
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Don't care. ME3 was just the first two ME plots in a slightly different skin (collect team for 80% of the game and fight the big bad for 10% of the game). So much for "amazing story-telling". And one of the most pertinent parts to the entire history of the universe (the Prothean) is a fucking $10 piece of DLC.

Played it. Finished it. Done with the universe. Don't give a shit anymore. Also don't give a shit, at this point, about any potential Dragon Age III. Bioware needs to get their shit together and do something new. Their games look pretty good. They have pretty great elements to them. But the gimmick to their "pull left or right trigger for good or bad and spend the game collecting your team... every game... in a trilogy that should have three acts and not three first-acts" style is getting stale.

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@LordCmdrStryker: books are often written by multiple people. as are screenplays and games. also only a small handful of people actually had creative control on the writing that happened in the game. you can't include level designers as "writers" don't be ridiculous. and again, it is no different than any other rewrite in history. just because the medium is different doesn't change the core concept. get over yourself.

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This shit is bananas.

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@LordCmdrStryker said:

@jakonovski said:

Meh, you're just trying to redefine yourself out of a bind. This doesn't differ from a literary rewrite in any way except that the technology of computers and internet allows the whole process to be faster.

A book is written by one person. A game like this one is made by a company of dozens of people, taking millions of dollars and thousands of work hours. And the fact that you keep making an apples to apples comparison between them is ludicrous.

Why does the economics side matter at all in this discussion? If Bioware/EA feels amending the end is a financially viable way to handle fan dissatisfaction, then they do it.

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God dammit, people... this is getting pathetic. Do you even realize you are asking Bioware to do what George Lucas did to Star Wars? Are you going to be happier when you realize Greedo shot first? Do you expect them to explain how the force works (because... midiclorians)? Do you think the Jabba's lair scene would be better with more CGI singers?

It is one thing to be unhappy about an ending (hell, I was unhappy about the ending of several games myself), but you are not the author of Mass Effect. This level of self-entitlement is not going to help you sell your opinion.

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@sofacitysweetheart said:

"Relax guys, we talked with EA and they've agreed to allow us to sell you a bunch of content that was cut from the final game."

This.

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@hellsing321 said:

@Sergeant_Stubby said:

whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them

Can you explain to me how

Joker managed to pick up my squad with the Normandy, after we got hit by harbinger's beam so they should be just as fucked as I am if not dead; and why they left me behind and are fleeing the battle like cowards?

Art.

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Don't really care about this. I'll see the shipped ending and that's it.

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@mrsmiley said:

@seanfoster said:

@phrosnite said:

@GrandHarrier said:

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And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.

YEAH BUT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED TO THINK DESTROY WAS THE WRONG CHOICE

...ugh.

Have you not seen the video? There is overwhelming evidence to show that you were indoctrinated. As in, IN GAME evidence. The tree/plants near the beam, the fact that the kid doesn't actually exist, the gunshot wound you receive without getting shot, etc etc etc.

That isn't "evidence". Those are conspiracies of crazy people.

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@acrimsonbullet said:

Everyone should check out the indoctrination theory, it makes a lot of sense

The fact that this is possible makes the ending awesome in its own right.

It also means that I made the correct choice at the end of the game.

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I sincerely hope that they don't change the ending. No one should ever have to change their vision of their story. In my opinion, if they actually change the ending that will set a horrible precedent for the future of interactive entertainment and could discourage innovation such as what we've seen in the Mass Effect series. I can't speak to everyone that was dissatisfied with the ending, but from my perspective I just want more exposition on the events of the ending because as is it just doesn't make any real sense to me. Developers should never have to be afraid to take chances and limit their ambitions because of how people may react. Art is meant to be subjective and meant to evoke emotion and to make you think, but in this particular case it (once again I am speaking only to how I feel about it) it wasn't an emotional reaction based on the events of the story or cause me to think about whats next and what might happen. The events that transpired simply made no sense in the context of the story and there was no effort to explain them, which left me confused and as if the trust I had placed in this team to give me this story (which was a bond forged when I purchased all three games) was broken. In the final arc of the story which promises to end the conflict and answer questions is to me unacceptable and doesn't seem intentional, it seems like really poor writing and the product of simply running out of time and not having any other option.

If the team behind creating this franchise truly believes that this is the ending they wanted the series to have, I urge them not to do a damn thing. It just doesn't seem like the case though.

This is the first time anyone has ever attempted to pull off a game like this, so I hope at worst its a learning experience to BioWare and anyone else who attempts something of this nature. Not a lesson to never try.

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I don't think anyone can be happy about the ending, if they truly understand the Mass Effect story and fiction. The ending completely undermines everything leading up to that point, including events of the past two Mass Effect games. It's a nonsensical mess.

They should have just came out and said the indoctrination theory was right, and leave it at that. That would have been better than trying to add closure to the current shitfest of an ending, which it sounds like they're going try to do.

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Now that's taken care of I'm going to start an online petition to change the Mona Lisa's smile.

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I really like Forbes article on his "apology"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/

The main issue I have with this whole situation is who video gamer "journalist" seem to have band together to ridicule consumers who are concerned about the way Bioware handle the ending to Mass Effect 3. Entitlement is apparently a new buzzword and its honestly really gross to see a group of people stick up for a company rather than their users because they've been buddy buddy with developers for a long time. Its very simplistic to think people are upset and want the ending changed. The real issue is Bioware has butchered the past five years of a great series by delivering a product with bad writing and a bad conclusion. Its lazy development and I'm happy to see people are finally sick of it. If we really want video games to grow we have to stop praising the development and writing games like ME3 deliver and raise the standard.

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What a mess

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Keep in mind that if this is coming out in April (and EARLY April if that The Truth rumor is proved to be accurate), it is all the more than likely that this was the plan all along, to explain further what the final moments of the game were meant to be and release it a month later. So to say that the fan outcry caused BioWare to explain/change the ending is most likely inaccurate. It would be more accurate to say that it shifted the PR message dramatically.

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Why the hell isn't this video showing up on more gaming sites? I know it's still a "theory", but I don't see how it isn't fact based on the overwhelming proof from the game itself. After watching this, I went back and replayed the ending, and it's so clear now what Bioware intended for the intending. Essentially, the wool got pulled over all of our eyes they same way it got pulled over Shepherd's!

Everyone has already heard and made up their minds about it.
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I feel the biggest problem with the ending is the complete disconnect from the rest of the game. It didn't matter how many war assets I had, at best they showed up in a 3 second CGI. It felt like collecting hundreds of Pokemon to fight in the Pokemon League, only to be forced to fist fight the last Pokemon trainer.

I wanted Geth by my side in the streets of London. I wanted the Quarian flotilla to bomb the hell out of a Reaper. I wanted Blood Pack to ram their burning ships into Reapers, while screaming from the top of their lungs. I wanted to tell the God Child to fuck off.

I didn't want 3 different corridors with a button to push at the end, followed by a stupid Deus Ex Machina who gives you three arbitrary choices - with the only difference between them being the color of the explosion.

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This makes me sad...

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I didn't care about the ending story-wise, but the post-choice ending was insanely lazy or rushed. Aside from a tiny color swap and three seconds of cut scene difference they were virtually identical regardless of everything you chose to do in all three games. I hated the ending for the effort they put into it, not the direction they went.

Also I never raged about the ending, but Dr. Doctor sitting on his pedestal talking about how the game got perfect review scores is as ridiculous as someone pointing to the 1 star reviews of fans. Does he really think ME3 is perfect? Because there are many flaws outside of the lazy ending. To name a couple from the start Anderson's infinite loop radio wave and being forced to not catch/kill Eva felt cheap and clumsy from the get-go. Tons of other little flaws took me out of the game along the way, so to claim a perfect review score means something is ridiculous.

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@AMonkey said:

Not sure how they plan to fix the terrible unless they completetly rewrite the ending.

The time segment 4:50 - 5:25 made me lose it! LOL Good stuff.

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@l4wd0g said:

Now that's taken care of I'm going to start an online petition to change the Mona Lisa's smile.

Dude. Did you seriously just compare Mass Effect 3 to the Mona Lisa :|

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I really don't think the ending is that bad, it certainly has issues, and it is not what I wanted, but it is far from the most atrocious piece of shit that everyone makes it out to be.

And as for Bioware addressing the ending with future DLC, that's totally fine by me. And anyone that gets mad at that, what were you expecting? Bioware would either do nothing about the ending, or address it in future DLC.

Whatever, I don't really care what people think, I will buy any DLC that Bioware puts out because I still have the hots for the Mass Effect universe.

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If they retcon anything, it'll be extremely sad...

What if I'm happy with the ending the way it is ? What if most people are like me ?

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@depecheload said:

@big_jon said:

@jakonovski said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

Like I said to someone else, it has always been happening. So many of the arguments in this matter are made from a position of ignorance.

edit: like Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens, Blade Runner, to name a few that come off the top of my head. I mean come on.

Those were not swapped out in a few weeks because of fan outrage I would assume, video games are never going to be taken serious by the mainstream as a form of art if the ending of something as large as Mass Effect is simply swapped because of a bunch of small minded fans, or at least until it is no longer something that happens. A re-release years down the line is not the same as adding DLC to change the ending a couple months after release, which may or may not cost money.

The ending was not that bad, and half the people who are unhappy about it seem to be mad just because it didn't end in a happy way. I mean there is nothing wrong with not liking it but this shit is just stupid.

Changes were made to Sherlock Holmes and the TV Dallas as a DIRECT result of fan outrage. It's nothing new.

And that second-to-last sentence really shows that you don't grasp the situation at all. It's way more complicated than that.

Actually I grasp the situation just fine, the ending is not that bad, people expected too much and they wanted huge differences in the ending based on their previous choices, they went in with way too high of expectations thinking that Bio-ware/EA had the assets to please them all by making vastly different endings that explained everything and were a result of every choice that they made throughout the series, this is what many are angry about as well, but people are fucking stupid and never temper thier expectations to what is realistic.

Please, don't try to come off as superior, that is a dick move.

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@Octaslash said:

@mrsmiley said:

@seanfoster said:

@phrosnite said:

@GrandHarrier said:

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And you know what is also funny about that picture? There are people who think Destroy is paragon and control is renegade. ROFL! Look! It's even colour coded for the dumb ones.

YEAH BUT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED TO THINK DESTROY WAS THE WRONG CHOICE

...ugh.

Have you not seen the video? There is overwhelming evidence to show that you were indoctrinated. As in, IN GAME evidence. The tree/plants near the beam, the fact that the kid doesn't actually exist, the gunshot wound you receive without getting shot, etc etc etc.

That isn't "evidence". Those are conspiracies of crazy people.

Really. So art assets in the game, as well as dialogue, sounds, characters, etc that all point to this ending (an ending that actually makes sense verses the assumed ending that everyone is bitching about because it DOESN'T make sense), are just made up? I'm pretty sure the dream sequences actually happened in the game. I'm pretty Shepherd getting a wound without getting shot was in the game. I could go on, but it appears that you've already made your decision to believe that Bioware, after their history of incredible writing in Mass Effect and other series, just decided to give up with this one. Ok then.

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@Milkman: why would you feel bad that they gave in? because angry fans united and made a difference? yeah, screw peaceful protest and having an influence on the entertainment you buy. we should just buy stuff regardless of if its good or not. if its bad we should just suck it up and deal with it.

i dont understand why people are against fans getting what they want? isn't that the point of video games, to enjoy? there is absolutely NO DOWNSIDE to the fans getting what they want. so why is anyone against it? its good buisness, it promotes stronger writing in other games showing that fans wont accept completely illogical endings full of plotholes.

i mean if anyone can think of a SINGLE downside to the fans getting what they want, i'd like to know.

i mean HOLY SHIT a developer is making content based on fan feedback ITS THE END OF THE WORLD FANS ARE HAVING CONTENT MADE BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT OMG OMG OMG ITS DOOMSDAY FOR THE INDUSTRY.

wtf is wrong with you people?lol

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@Sergeant_Stubby said:

whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them.

Thanks. I like my poorly written idiotic troll posts sprinkled with misogyny.

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Bioware do not re-write the ending of Mass Effect 3 . you will seriously hurt the industry and destory the integrity of video game writing. if you give in to these fuckbags no writer worth a damn will want to work in videogames anymore. Grow a goddamn spine. If you want to ADD to the ending in DLC then go right ahead but if you alter the original ending then you are sending this industry down a very bad road.

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@Distrato said:

@l4wd0g said:

Now that's taken care of I'm going to start an online petition to change the Mona Lisa's smile.

Dude. Did you seriously just compare Mass Effect 3 to the Mona Lisa :|

Yeah, the Mona Lisa is just some lame painting, Mass Effect has boobs and sweet guns!

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@Lemegeton: rewrites happen all the time. its never hurt any entertainment industry in history. please talk out of your ass more bucko.

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@hellsing321 said:

@Sergeant_Stubby said:

whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them

Can you explain to me how

Joker managed to pick up my squad with the Normandy, after we got hit by harbinger's beam so they should be just as fucked as I am if not dead; and why they left me behind and are fleeing the battle like cowards?

We have absolutely NO idea what happened while Shepherd was dreaming, or on the Citadel, or whatever. We have no idea why Joker was "running away", or how he was able to pick up members of the crew. Because of this, it's unfair to use this as an argument for why the ending "sucked". I have a feeling that this will probably be the center of one of the DLC missions. Essentially, you'll be experiencing what happened to the team while Shepherd was completing his mission. If not, then we'll never know, and we have to trust that, based off everything that happened over the course of three games, Joker was doing what he thought Shepherd would want him to do.

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@alex said:

Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending

FORSOOTH, THESE BRITTLE HANDS OF MINE STIR NOT!

It's actually spelled "soothe".

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@l4wd0g: Understandable if Mona Lisa's smile was finished off by a 3 year old with crayons.

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@Clonedzero: They shouldn't have caved because it sends the wrong message to consumers. The normal person will not know or care about this rage over the ending and so when a paid DLC gets released that gives the ENDING to the game they just spent money on then they will likely be wary of future Bioware products. Bioware are a great studio and they need to hold their integrity. Also FO3 was changed to facilitate DLC, so you could pay Bethesda more money, not to appease fans. I don't know about Highlander 2 unfortuently so I trust you are correct. Many many other bad endings have not been changed though, because the writer spent YEARS of their life crafting a story and some angered fans have no right to change this. If they want a better ending then maybe they should have became a writer and used their 'knowledge' to write a game. It's another case of armchair professionals not having any idea what they are really asking for. (Apologies for the wall of text)

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@Lemegeton said:

Bioware do not re-write the ending of Mass Effect 3 . you will seriously hurt the industry and destory the integrity of video game writing. if you give in to these fuckbags no writer worth a damn will want to work in videogames anymore. Grow a goddamn spine. If you want to ADD to the ending in DLC then go right ahead but if you alter the original ending then you are sending this industry down a very bad road.

The road of every storytelling medium in the world? People, please educate yourself. Whatever you think of rewriting ME3's ending, please be at least aware that rewrites have happened before, countless times.

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Even if that Indoctrinatino theory is the ending that Bioware had planned, it's delivery in game is so poorly done it's hard to believe that it was their original intent. I don't even know if I want a new ending anymore, Mass Effect has already become an immortal part of video game history

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@mrsmiley said:

@hellsing321 said:

@Sergeant_Stubby said:

whiny bitches, why does everything need explaining these days? are people really that retarded now that they need shit spelled out for them

Can you explain to me how

Joker managed to pick up my squad with the Normandy, after we got hit by harbinger's beam so they should be just as fucked as I am if not dead; and why they left me behind and are fleeing the battle like cowards?

We have absolutely NO idea what happened while Shepherd was dreaming, or on the Citadel, or whatever. We have no idea why Joker was "running away", or how he was able to pick up members of the crew. Because of this, it's unfair to use this as an argument for why the ending "sucked". I have a feeling that this will probably be the center of one of the DLC missions. Essentially, you'll be experiencing what happened to the team while Shepherd was completing his mission. If not, then we'll never know, and we have to trust that, based off everything that happened over the course of three games, Joker was doing what he thought Shepherd would want him to do.

That whole ridiculous sequence coming down to "trust" isn't going to cut it. It was put there for a reason and if Bioware can't come up with a logical explanation for it then that means it is a plot hole and absolutely detrimental to the ending.

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@big_jon said:

@depecheload said:

@big_jon said:

@jakonovski said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

Like I said to someone else, it has always been happening. So many of the arguments in this matter are made from a position of ignorance.

edit: like Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens, Blade Runner, to name a few that come off the top of my head. I mean come on.

Those were not swapped out in a few weeks because of fan outrage I would assume, video games are never going to be taken serious by the mainstream as a form of art if the ending of something as large as Mass Effect is simply swapped because of a bunch of small minded fans, or at least until it is no longer something that happens. A re-release years down the line is not the same as adding DLC to change the ending a couple months after release, which may or may not cost money.

The ending was not that bad, and half the people who are unhappy about it seem to be mad just because it didn't end in a happy way. I mean there is nothing wrong with not liking it but this shit is just stupid.

Changes were made to Sherlock Holmes and the TV Dallas as a DIRECT result of fan outrage. It's nothing new.

And that second-to-last sentence really shows that you don't grasp the situation at all. It's way more complicated than that.

Actually I grasp the situation just fine, the ending is not that bad, people expected too much and they wanted huge differences in the ending based on their previous choices, they went in with way too high of expectations thinking that Bio-ware/EA had the assets to please them all by making vastly different endings that explained everything and were a result of every choice that they made throughout the series, this is what many are angry about as well, but people are fucking stupid and never temper thier expectations to what is realistic.

Please, don't try to come off as superior, that is a dick move.

I corrected you, I don't know why you think that's me trying to "come off as superior" you're the one who said "people are fucking stupid" so maybe check your superiority complex before accusing others of one.

But that's besides the point. You obviously don't grasp the situation just fine. If people expected too much, that's because they were lied to by BioWare. Here's a good summation of the lies told by the makers of the game:

http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3/forum/biowares-lies-condensed-62267857/

They straight up said "you'll get answers to everything." And there are plenty of YouTube videos in this very thread that show how the issue is a bit more complicated than you want to think it is.

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They are going to charge you through buying DLC to see more of ME3 which is crazy. This is defiantly going to happen, even if the DLC is something which should have been placed in the game because it's integral they will charge you to see and play it. If this is the case then I would wager money in saying that the vast majority of ME3 players won't pay for the DLC and in fact move on to the next game coming out.

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@Tamaster92: why does everyone say FO3 was retconned simply to add more DLC, since when? broken steel is the only DLC in FO3 that has to be done after the new ending. its the only one that has anything to do with the ending. every other DLC takes place BEFORE the ending. (at least if you want it to). every single one of them can be played right after you leave the vault for the first time. are you simply saying this because jeff said it in a podcast? because jeff was wrong. operation anchorage, the pitt, the maryland swamp one (Forgot the name), and mothership zeta can all be played right out of the gate. none of them require the ending to be changed. NONE OF THEM.

so you're still talking out of your ass lol.

it doesn't send the wrong message to consumers at all. it sends the right one. that companies should make quality products including the ending. that if you dont like something, you can say so and give the company feedback. if the company decides to create content based on that feed back, its a win-win, whats the problem?

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@Landon said:

Even if that Indoctrinatino theory is the ending that Bioware had planned, it's delivery in game is so poorly done it's hard to believe that it was their original intent.

I think it was, they just executed it miserably to the point that the ending comes off as a mess. So...better execution, maybe?

But the whole point of this series was the destroy the reapers, that's it, some kid telling you to control or synthesize completely contradicts the series. Destroy is the only ending where Shepard lives.

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@Milkman: why would you feel bad that they gave in? because angry fans united and made a difference? yeah, screw peaceful protest and having an influence on the entertainment you buy. we should just buy stuff regardless of if its good or not. if its bad we should just suck it up and deal with it.

i dont understand why people are against fans getting what they want? isn't that the point of video games, to enjoy? there is absolutely NO DOWNSIDE to the fans getting what they want. so why is anyone against it? its good buisness, it promotes stronger writing in other games showing that fans wont accept completely illogical endings full of plotholes.

i mean if anyone can think of a SINGLE downside to the fans getting what they want, i'd like to know.

i mean HOLY SHIT a developer is making content based on fan feedback ITS THE END OF THE WORLD FANS ARE HAVING CONTENT MADE BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT OMG OMG OMG ITS DOOMSDAY FOR THE INDUSTRY.

wtf is wrong with you people?lol

You're not listening. Fans have every right to be angry. I never said people should just buy stuff regardless if it's good or not. I feel like I've written the same thing 20 times today but I'll say it one more time: BioWare had a vision. People didn't like this vision. BioWare changed it. I don't think that's a good thing. That tells me that BioWare doesn't give a shit about the Mass Effect story and is only concerned with making this internet minority happy. And it should never be the goal of any artist to appease the demands of others.

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Please don't act like Mass Effect is a piece of art that has gone without compromise until the mean ol' fans came along with their demands. Mass Effect is like any other game produced by a major company for the sole purpose of profit. I am not saying that in a bad way, it is just the way things are. Games are a business. Every step of the way Bioware has had to make sacrifices in the name of deadlines, budget, and corporate expectations. As soon as the very passionate creative people had to alter or cut ideas for the sake of getting everything done on time so that the game could have the highest projected profit margin it stops being some sort of untouchable art piece.

I don't know how they are going to clarify the ending without retconning some of it. Any concrete explanation of what went down in the the end looks like a little kid forcing a round peg into a square hole. Sure you could get it in there, but it is like come on.

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I didn't like the ending in the least but really it's kinda disappointing to see bioware cave like this.