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BioWare Agrees to Do Something About That Mass Effect 3 Ending That a Bunch of People Are Angry About

Dr. Ray releases a statement promising clarification of the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.
I don't think any of these clarifications will explain Tali's face being a stock photo.

It's physically impossible to step figurative foot onto any Internet forum or blog dedicated to video games of late without seeing some kind of commentary on Mass Effect 3's various endings. There are those who hate those endings, those who hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and also apparently a few people who either don't mind them or are--*gasp*--totally cool with them. But as with all things on the Internet, the fiery passion of a thousand suns folk generally tend to dominate these discussions, which has made the last couple of weeks exceedingly uncomfortable for anyone who just wanted to talk about Mass Effect without getting shouted at by angry people.

Presumably, BioWare would have to be among those most exhausted with getting shouted at, because lord have they been shouted at loudly and frequently lo these last couple of weeks. With petitions popping up demanding the ending be changed, and even some crazy person filing an FTC complaint claiming false advertising, the developer has been getting it from all ends. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Dr. Ray Muzyka took to the BioWare blog today to announce that through future updates to Mass Effect 3, the developer will be providing clarifications to the ending.

Said Dr. Ray:

Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

This has led some on various forums and social media outlets (myself regrettably included, as I first read about this on Twitter) to postulate that this means a straight up retconning of Mass Effect 3's ending, but reading Dr. Ray's statement, it doesn't sound like it'll be quite that drastic. More likely this would simply entail some kind of DLC update with story exposition that fills in some of the larger plot holes people have been complaining about.

Dr. Ray also addressed the rather vitriolic tone this whole Mass Effect 3 conversation has taken on, in just about the most polite way possible.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

So, there you have it. Whether you hated Mass Effect 3's ending or didn't, you're getting extra content designed to make you understand it better. Of course there's no guarantee that these clarifications will actually sooth any of the current unrest over the ending, but one can presume that if they don't, this whole petitioning and insulting cycle will just begin itself anew, and continue repeating itself until everyone gets the exact ending they want. Because that's how the world works now, I guess.

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@depecheload said:

@big_jon said:

@depecheload said:

@big_jon said:

@jakonovski said:

@big_jon said:

If they charge for an alternate ending that will be effed up, but changing the ending in general seems so dumb, where is the art in that?

I mean has this ever happened to a movie or book? It seems so juvenile.

Like I said to someone else, it has always been happening. So many of the arguments in this matter are made from a position of ignorance.

edit: like Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens, Blade Runner, to name a few that come off the top of my head. I mean come on.

Those were not swapped out in a few weeks because of fan outrage I would assume, video games are never going to be taken serious by the mainstream as a form of art if the ending of something as large as Mass Effect is simply swapped because of a bunch of small minded fans, or at least until it is no longer something that happens. A re-release years down the line is not the same as adding DLC to change the ending a couple months after release, which may or may not cost money.

The ending was not that bad, and half the people who are unhappy about it seem to be mad just because it didn't end in a happy way. I mean there is nothing wrong with not liking it but this shit is just stupid.

Changes were made to Sherlock Holmes and the TV Dallas as a DIRECT result of fan outrage. It's nothing new.

And that second-to-last sentence really shows that you don't grasp the situation at all. It's way more complicated than that.

Actually I grasp the situation just fine, the ending is not that bad, people expected too much and they wanted huge differences in the ending based on their previous choices, they went in with way too high of expectations thinking that Bio-ware/EA had the assets to please them all by making vastly different endings that explained everything and were a result of every choice that they made throughout the series, this is what many are angry about as well, but people are fucking stupid and never temper thier expectations to what is realistic.

Please, don't try to come off as superior, that is a dick move.

I corrected you, I don't know why you think that's me trying to "come off as superior" you're the one who said "people are fucking stupid" so maybe check your superiority complex before accusing others of one.

But that's besides the point. You obviously don't grasp the situation just fine. If people expected too much, that's because they were lied to by BioWare. Here's a good summation of the lies told by the makers of the game:

http://www.gamespot.com/mass-effect-3/forum/biowares-lies-condensed-62267857/

They straight up said "you'll get answers to everything." And there are plenty of YouTube videos in this very thread that show how the issue is a bit more complicated than you want to think it is.

And I am sure that 75% of the people dissatisfied with the ending were closely following everything said by the developers pre launch right? This shit happens in games, remember Halo 2? That game had a HUGE list of things promised that did not make it into the final product, things happen, and things change, it was still a great game.

Also, when did I claim I wasn't a person?

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@Milkman said:

And it should never be the goal of any artist to appease the demands of others.

Way to shoot down every commercial artist in the world. Like Rembrandt for instance.

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@Milkman: no, bioware is only concerned about making money. the whole "vision" argument is kinda silly. especially if you look at the geoff keighley "final hours" of mass effect 3 thing. where you actually can look at the lead writers notes when he wrote the ending. where it shows that they purposely made the ending extremely vague and confusing simply for the effect of speculation. also in the notes he compares it to the 3rd matrix movie. its right there in the writers notes. go ahead and check it out if you don't believe me lol. then use the whole "integrity of the vision" excuse again.

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People are confusing the word 'clarify' with 'change' consistently in this thread...

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To change the ending or not to change the ending? This has really turned into a.........Mass Debate!

IM HERE ALL WEEK PEOPLE!

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@Lemegeton said:

Bioware do notplease re-write the ending of Mass Effect 3 . you will seriously hurt the industryprovide appropriate closure to your story and destoryimprove the integrity of video game writing by being accountable for poor writing. if you give in to these fuckbagspeople who are upset with a bad ending no writer worth a damn will want to work in videogames anymoreallow themselves to produce sub-par work and expect praise for it. Grow a goddamn spine. If you want to ADD to the ending in DLC then go right ahead but if you alter the original ending then you are sending this industry down a very bad roadtoward some artistic redemption and accountability.

I fixed a few parts of your statement to make it more accurate.

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@Milkman said:

You're right. The right to complain absolutely belongs to the consumer. And the right to change absolutely belongs to the producer (or artist or whatever). But watching BioWare get bullied into compromising leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. And the fact that BioWare was weak and uninterested in defending their vision leaves an even worse taste.
Why not look at it this way:
It takes a big man to stand up for his ideas and beliefs sure. You can respect a company or an individual for that.
But just as equally if not more so it takes a big balls in an argument to back off a bit and say: yea you have a point.
Bioware acknowledging the negative reaction is a move that one can respect just as much.
 
Simply saying that you see the other party's perspective is not weakness in and of iteslf.
It's what normal people do from time to time.
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@Milkman said:

@Clonedzero said:

@Milkman: why would you feel bad that they gave in? because angry fans united and made a difference? yeah, screw peaceful protest and having an influence on the entertainment you buy. we should just buy stuff regardless of if its good or not. if its bad we should just suck it up and deal with it.

i dont understand why people are against fans getting what they want? isn't that the point of video games, to enjoy? there is absolutely NO DOWNSIDE to the fans getting what they want. so why is anyone against it? its good buisness, it promotes stronger writing in other games showing that fans wont accept completely illogical endings full of plotholes.

i mean if anyone can think of a SINGLE downside to the fans getting what they want, i'd like to know.

i mean HOLY SHIT a developer is making content based on fan feedback ITS THE END OF THE WORLD FANS ARE HAVING CONTENT MADE BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT OMG OMG OMG ITS DOOMSDAY FOR THE INDUSTRY.

wtf is wrong with you people?lol

You're not listening. Fans have every right to be angry. I never said people should just buy stuff regardless if it's good or not. I feel like I've written the same thing 20 times today but I'll say it one more time: BioWare had a vision. People didn't like this vision. BioWare changed it. I don't think that's a good thing. That tells me that BioWare doesn't give a shit about the Mass Effect story and is only concerned with making this internet minority happy. And it should never be the goal of any artist to appease the demands of others.

Bioware's vision could have been compromised at any point down the line, either due to time constraints, budget, pressure from EA, focus testing, or a thousand other reasons. Just because this is the finished retail project doesn't mean that this was their vision. The Blade Runner example is a great example of this, as many aspects of that film were changed from the initial "vision."

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Did Alex just say Mass Effect 3 has "various endings"? Because I've only seen one ending that was marginally altered to give the illusion of other endings...

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You know the thing that really upsets me the most out of all this controversy are video game journalist reaction to this whole debacle. Its honestly just straight up bull shit and everyone knows it. It shows just how truly broken and crooked the video game industry is. Oh but no one has the balls or integrity to say, "Hey you know what video games industry, we're totally fucked up." How is it right that Jessica Chobot can be a character in a video game. How is it right for a company to deliver a shitty ending only to say, "Hey guys get ready for a more conclusive story in future DLC!" I'm even upset that Jeff Gerstmann goes onto the Bombcast and ridicules the game for almost an hour but it still receives a high score. If Jeff really enjoyed the game overall then that's great, but it just seems like the veil has been removed and people are really getting a glimpse at just how deep the relationships between developers and video game journalist can go. You would never trust a news outlet that defends the makers of a product and shouts about how great a product is on their site, only to see a ad for that product on the same site. Yet we constantly let it slide with the video game websites we visit. Even if there was no shady business going on its honestly still pretty disgusting. Mass Effect 3 isn't just about a group of people crying because they didn't like an ending to a video game. Its about video game players in general being fed up with being treated like shit by major developers and being fed what might as well be PR letters from journalist.

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Man what a global hissy fit...

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@Agikamike: More recently, Spiderman 3 is a very different film than Raimi had intended to make. Sony forced him to include Venom and he was out of his depths and just said 'fuck it'

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@Clonedzero: Nice, insults win every discussion right? The DLC for FO3 came out AFTER fallout 3 did, and by a relatively large chunk of time. Therefore when most players tried to play the DLC with their characters they had spent 100s of hours playing, they couldn't. So Bethesda (presumably) retconned the ending to let more consumers access the DLC in the way they prefer and so give Bethesda more money. It was very clever to be honest, it earns them profit and shows the fans they care.

EDIT: Also I agree - consumers should absolutely be upset if they didn't like the ending, and in this modern age, yes they should tweet/FB Bioware with issues they have. What they should NOT do however is demand a change to a game that Bioware has spent years working on and attacking the company in more personal ways. There is a big difference between tweeting and Bioware saying you are disappointed in their ending and you would appreciate some more clarity and tweeting a sentence full of vulgar language and demanding they do what you say because you don't like it. It is INCREDIBLY entitled and in my eyes - fucking pathetic. (Please note that I'm not saying that's what you did, in fact if you did the former then all respect to you).

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Just one more reason I'm glad I'm going to hold off on this and then just playing through all 3 at once. Between this and Skyrim, 2013 is gonna be great! =D

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@Dany said:

People are confusing the word 'clarify' with 'change' consistently in this thread...

They are not giving the game a new ending, they just give more of the existing ending, or at least I think that's the conclusion of the article.

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what really confuses me. is how anyone thinks a developer making content based on fan feedback and what the fans want is a BAD thing? why? some ridiculous and pretentious excuse about it being "art"? well of course its art, but art gets changed, rewritten, edited, ect. constantly. art is not static, art is evolving.

and seriously, why is bioware making content that people are asking for a BAD THING? why? it doesn't send a negative message. it supports the fan - developer relationship. it promotes constructive criticism. it allows for a company to provide a goods/service to its consumer. there is literally NO DOWNSIDE.

why is anyone against this? are you just bitter that people complained and it worked? isn't that how its supposed to work? don't we live in a capitalist society? i dont understand how anyone could be opposed to this. its insane.

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I think the ending was fine, cool even.. and I did play all ME's to completion (all missions and DLC).

It's a Bioware game and it was their decision to make the ending, regardless of people's opinion. Besides, it's just a video game. VIDEO GAME. GAME.

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The way I see it, they are going to provide more "closure" through clarity. They are going to tell the story of what was happening outside the magic kids club house so we can understand why things went down outside the way they did. They make no mention of a changed ending, just keeping their artistic vision intact. Wich means, they're going to have to fill some plot holes somehow, wich will mean changing some things I'm sure. We'll see how it all shakes out...

In any event, I'll be happy to get some closure, I don't care if they change the ending or not, I just kinda wanna know how things went down with the ending of a series I love dearly. Something keeps nagging me though that they had this planned all along... "if you only knew what we had planned for Mass Effect 3's DLC you would keep your copy forever" sounds awfully prophetic now.

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Did he even say that they're re-doing the ending? All I got from that is that they're "expanding" on the ending. Which just means you can pay $10 to find out what happened after. Was this ever doubted by anyone? Didn't people just figure the ending was obscure so they can sell you answers?

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@jakonovski said:

@Lemegeton said:

Bioware do not re-write the ending of Mass Effect 3 . you will seriously hurt the industry and destory the integrity of video game writing. if you give in to these fuckbags no writer worth a damn will want to work in videogames anymore. Grow a goddamn spine. If you want to ADD to the ending in DLC then go right ahead but if you alter the original ending then you are sending this industry down a very bad road.

The road of every storytelling medium in the world? People, please educate yourself. Whatever you think of rewriting ME3's ending, please be at least aware that rewrites have happened before, countless times.

dont fucking put words in my mouth. Where exactly did i even begin to claim that ALL re-writes and re-writes in general are BAD. I said nothing of the fucking sort. Re-writes happen all the time , for legitimate reasons. Fans throwing a fucking tantrum on the internet and demanding you change the ending is NOT one of them.

why would any writer with an ounce of integrity spend the time to write a videogame story if the developer will just change it because some of the fans are not happy with it.

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Bioware, please just go with the smurfing Indoctrination Theory.

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@AlexanderSheen said:

@Dany said:

People are confusing the word 'clarify' with 'change' consistently in this thread...

They are not giving the game a new ending, they just give more of the existing ending, or at least I think that's the conclusion of the article.

Yes. That is what Bioware is doing but...people will just choose to ignore that part of the article.

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@jakonovski said:

@Kyodra said:

They're just digging themselves deeper by doing this, now the complaining fans will know that their whining gets results. As we all must know by now, fans will never be entirely happy, so this will most likely just bring another wave of bitching and moaning. Bioware should've stuck to their guns and proclaimed that not everything in life always turns out the way you like to, so why should it in video games.

Stop being so melodramatic, authors have rewritten their work through history because their fans demanded it. Arthur Conan Doyle and Charles Dickens did it, to name a couple.

I'm not being melodramatic, just voicing my opinion, and the obvious, on this particular case. I hope they make it a college film style "what happened to them after this" clip and stick it after the ending, I'd love to see the fan reaction.

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@Dany said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@Dany said:

People are confusing the word 'clarify' with 'change' consistently in this thread...

They are not giving the game a new ending, they just give more of the existing ending, or at least I think that's the conclusion of the article.

Yes. That is what Bioware is doing but...people will just choose to ignore that part of the article.

Yeah... yeah...

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@Distrato said:

You know the thing that really upsets me the most out of all this controversy are video game journalist reaction to this whole debacle. Its honestly just straight up bull shit and everyone knows it. It shows just how truly broken and crooked the video game industry is. Oh but no one has the balls or integrity to say, "Hey you know what video games industry, we're totally fucked up." How is it right that Jessica Chobot can be a character in a video game. How is it right for a company to deliver a shitty ending only to say, "Hey guys get ready for a more conclusive story in future DLC!" I'm even upset that Jeff Gerstmann goes onto the Bombcast and ridicules the game for almost an hour but it still receives a high score. If Jeff really enjoyed the game overall then that's great, but it just seems like the veil has been removed and people are really getting a glimpse at just how deep the relationships between developers and video game journalist can go. You would never trust a news outlet that defends the makers of a product and shouts about how great a product is on their site, only to see a ad for that product on the same site. Yet we constantly let it slide with the video game websites we visit. Even if there was no shady business going on its honestly still pretty disgusting. Mass Effect 3 isn't just about a group of people crying because they didn't like an ending to a video game. Its about video game players in general being fed up with being treated like shit by major developers and being fed what might as well be PR letters from journalist.

Naturally, not every reviewer drinks deep from EA’s fountain, but it’s easy to see a defense mechanism in their response: namely, the fan backlash raises serious questions about the process of reviewing games. For reviewers to rate the game so highly, knowing that the primary interpretation of the ending can retroactively sour the entire experience (even the entire franchise, some claim), produces some issues. How can something “definitive” like a score mediate between the very good (most of the game) and the very bad (the ending)? How much weight can one place on something like an ending, especially in a story-driven game? How can a reviewer apply proper criticism without angering a fan base and publisher who both expect the review to conform to their not-always-aligned expectations?

The Mass Effect 3 debacle casts a critical light on game critics, and I don’t think they appreciate that kind of attention, hence their reaction. But it is important to deal with these issues in order for games journalism – and beyond that, games scholarship – to become credible and worthwhile.

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@Tamaster92: no. thats not correct. two DLC's were released before broken steel. all the while fans were complaining that the ending made no sense, was terrible and that they wanted to continue playing after they beat the game. bethesda listened to the feedback, the made broken steel. retconned the ending. then went back to the old model of spin-off side quest DLC. nothing changed. broken steel wasn't part of the other DLC's. wasn't required. wasn't necessary. they could have released all the other DLC without broken steel and been just fine. saying it allowed for more DLC is just wrong, because they went back to exactly the same DLC model after broken steel.

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I actually liked the ending. 10 bucks says the DLC ending is worse.

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This would set too much of a precedent that would damage other companies.

If all it takes for developers to compromise is a bunch of self entitled fans making a lot of noise then they will do it every time they feel owed something.

So you didn't like the ending, that's your choice. Get a refund.

You are NOT entitled to dictate the content or story of a game after it's release.

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I have a feeling this is gonna set up a really bad precident that Fable II and Prince of Persia '08 only touched upon.

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Clearly video games are serious business. And then people wonder why there's a 1% and a 99%...the 1% are busy caring about their lives while the 99% are busy caring about stupid shit like video game endings.

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@Lemegeton: fans are a huge reason for rewrites...do you even know what you're talking about? or are you just making stuff up to make your argument seem more valid.

just an FYI. it's not working.

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@depecheload said:

Or maybe it will bring about a wave of companies not building up expectations by making outright lies during interviews? Or maybe it might bring about the realization that RPG gamers care more about story than MP and paid day-one DLC? How about those things?

The marketing teams will continue to bullshit people to buy games, that I am certain of. I don't personally watch interviews of games before they're out and instead judge the game on its own merits, so I wasn't aware of these lies.

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I've argued this to hell and back elsewhere but, goddamn, this is a horrible move.

The inmates are now running the asylum. Enjoy your shitty new trend, you petulant, entitled children.

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@Clonedzero: I apologise evidently I wasn't clear, I meant that they made Broken Steel because as you said fans complained they couldn't use their levelled up characters in the first two DLCs - therefore by retconning in the third they made way for the 4th and 5th being much easier to play, regardless of content or style. They (and I) no doubt presume that if you are buying the 4th/5th DLC then you already own the third. Anyway that isn't what this article is about so I'll stop this conversation here, though thank you for being civilized and not just flaming me.

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This is so silly. I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games but this is just ridiculous.

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Oh Internet.....

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@Lucien21 said:

This would set too much of a precedent that would damage other companies.

If all it takes for developers to compromise is a bunch of self entitled fans making a lot of noise then they will do it every time they feel owed something.

So you didn't like the ending, that's your choice. Get a refund.

You are NOT entitled to dictate the content or story of a game after it's release.

yeah! why on earth would a developer listen to fan feedback and develop DLC-content based on that feedback. that'd be INSANE! almost like they wanted their customers make future purchases and keep the fans loyal to their buisness! why would they want that?

i don't want to live in a world where developers care what their fans think, and man, if they actually develop content based on what people want then the industry is really ruined!

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Coming soon : "did it stop spinning or not ?" finally answered on a bonus dvd !

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"Mass Effect 3's various endings?"

Let's be honest. There's one ending with three different colour scemes.

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@RsistncE: Actually, it's the 99% that are fine/don't care either way, and the 1% that won't shut the fuck up about it until someone finally screams "Fine! Here! Have it your way!!!"

The internet gives far too much power to the Vocal Minority. Where is the soapbox for the apathetic masses?

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You have to be fucking kidding me.

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@Clonedzero said:

@Lemegeton: fans are a huge reason for rewrites...do you even know what you're talking about? or are you just making stuff up to make your argument seem more valid.

just an FYI. it's not working.

show me 1 case where the ending of any game, movie or other media content was changed AFTER ITS RELEASE because fans threw a tantrum. Fan inspired re-writes usually happen as a result of private screenings and focus groups and the feedback from things like that.

Whether the ending is good or bad is irrelvant, Bioware should stand behind the product they released.

are you telling me its acceptable to give the consumer this kind of power over the content. if you seriously believe that then its you who are talking out of your ass.

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"I haven´t played any Mass Effect games" or "Haven´t finished Mass Effect 3 yet", but still have an opinion about what you think is a vocal minority?

I´m sorry. you do. not. know what you are talking about.

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@AlKusanagi said:

I've argued this to hell and back elsewhere but, goddamn, this is a horrible move.

The inmates are now running the asylum. Enjoy your shitty new trend, you petulant, entitled children.

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Even though I really disliked the ending that's just ridiculous.

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How the hell would this even work, some extra cutscenes to better explain wtf is going on? When I think DLC i kinda think something playable and theres nowhere anything playable seems possible in that ending, at least not from Shepard's side. I guess they could add some mission where you play as a party member and have it explain as to why and how they end up on the Normandy

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Wish these guys were around for MGS4.

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Well i guess the "hardcore" fans of Mass Effect got what they wanted.