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E3 Needs to Grow Up

Despite a growing call for change, the organizers of E3 have no plans to address the booth babe issue at the industry's biggest show.

I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.
I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.

There’s been no shortage of discussion about women and video games this past week.

The conversation’s been driven by the gross response to Anita Sarkeesian’s nearly finished Kickstarter about the unfortunate and exclusionary tropes of female video game characters, and the quickly scrutinized comments from a producer on Tomb Raider about a potential rape scene (a description the studio has walked back) in the new game.

These are all good, uncomfortable conversations to have, but if we're talking about the depiction of women in games at such a serious level, how do we still have E3 booth babes? Other than for easy hits in web galleries, anyway.

The commonly referred to booth babe (also known as a "woman") is hired solely to wear skimpy clothing with a game or company’s logo and take photographs with attendees (who does that, by the way?). Typically, they are not well versed in the product they are hired to represent.

It seemed like a good time to check in with the Entertainment Software Association, who manages E3.

Despite some of the recent heated conversation, there are no plans to shift E3 policies.

"Exhibitors determine for themselves what is the best representation for their companies. Models are welcome if companies would like to have them, but that's an individual exhibitor decision,” said ESA VP of media relations and event management Dan Hewitt in an emailed statement to me yesterday.

Ghost Recon Commander designer Brenda Brathwaite sparked a vocal debate on Twitter over booth babes before she headed to the E3 show floor last Thursday.

“I dread heading off to work at E3 today,” she said. “The show is a constant assault on the female self esteem no matter which direction I look. I am in good shape, yet it is impossible not to compare. I feel uncomfortable. It is as if I walked into a strip club w/o intending to. These are the policies of @e3expo and @RichatESA. I feel uncomfortable in an industry I helped found.”

Her comments found plenty of support, such as Inside Network managing editor AJ Glasser.

@br The worst is when I get so good at seeing right through it that I forget they're actually women underneath the barely-there clothes.

— AJ Glasser (@Joygirl007) June 7, 2012

It’s not a new critique, but it was louder this year, and there seems to be a growing desire for change.

There was also the usual “what’s the big deal?” responses, including 3D Realms co-founder George Broussard.

@br I think you/others take it too seriously. It's not some academic event. It's a glitz show full of spectacle. #serious_business

— George Broussard (@georgeb3dr) June 7, 2012

It’s been a few years, but the ESA policy on booth babes has changed from E3's inception. The last major shift came in 2006, as new penalties, fines and policies were introduced regarding women featured in E3 exhibits.

"What's new in 2006 is an update and clarification of the enforcement policies; as we do from time to time, we have taken steps to ensure that exhibitors are familiar with the policy and how it will be enforced," said E3 show director Mary Dolaher to Reuters at the time.

A violation of the clothing policy would result in, at first, a warning, and then a $5,000 fine. Here’s what the handbook from 2006 said to exhibitors considering booth babes--er, sorry, live models:

"Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the show."

Hewitt told me there have been no changes to ESA policy since 2006.

Maybe there should be. Consider this anecdote that didn’t even take place on the show floor itself.

This was one of the first results the search term
This was one of the first results the search term "Devil May Cry strippers" gave me, sorry.

We arrived to our Capcom appointment, I plunked down with Lost Planet 3, and Alex Navarro was ushered over to play Devil May Cry. In a room of kiosks, there were pole dancers. It’s unclear what that has to do with Devil May Cry. The girl hired to skimpily waltz around was sitting on the floor, looking bored. Everyone in the room is focused on playing the game, and Alex wasn't playing Devil May Cry in a see-through bubble. No one on the show floor could see this room. Can someone explain how this helps anyone do their job?

Elsewhere, I refused to play any 3DS games at Nintendo’s booth because the company didn’t have a table with machines, and instead tethered its lineup to attractive women. I let that gimmick slide when Nintendo pulled the same trick at the original 3DS unveiling, but I’ll just wait until those games are out now, thanks.

Nintendo probably thought it was a cute idea. I doubt (and this is my sincere hope) Nintendo meant to undermine the credibility of women at gaming’s biggest show. It's still ignorance. Many of the issues regarding women and E3 aren’t overtly offensive, and can be easily rationalized by those who don’t see a problem.

That’s okay--we should have a debate about it.

And this is all hardly an issue that’s exclusive to games. The same week as E3, the Computex Summit was happening in Taipei, and computer manufacturer ASUS sent out the following tweet:

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That tweet has since been deleted and ASUS released an apology, obviously.

I can gripe all I want, but the most effective solution has to come from the ESA itself. Only the ESA can enforce regulations on exhibitors, and let them know this archaic marketing tool needs to go away. If games are growing up, so does the way we go about advertising them in front of, ostensibly, a bunch of professional. This isn’t 1994.

PAX figured this out years ago, even if there have been incidents along the way (i.e. Lollipop Chainsaw at PAX East).

“Our definition of a ‘booth babe’ has been a model (male or female) that has been hired to stand/sit in skimpy clothing to market the product,” said Penny Arcade president of business development in 2010. “If that person knows the product inside and out then it’s less of an issue. A company representative that can interact with attendees in a way that provides value as opposed to ‘hey stare at my body’ is something that we encourage whether or not that representative is physically attractive or not.”

If E3 is supposed to represent the industry’s best, why can’t it figure out how to respect its own attendees?

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@Nettacki said:

@JasonR86 said:

@TadThuggish said:

This comments section is why Jeff Gerstmann doesn't mind telling you to "Fuck off" on Twitter and/or Formspring.

So you're implying that Jeff is acts out because there's disagreement in the comments section for a GB article? I would hope not. That sounds really childish.

I think he's referring to some of the rather nasty personal attacks towards Patrick.

Then he needs to be more specific.

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@DanteFaustEsq: You were clearly personally offended, I explained how I feel, if you are still offended that is your issue.

Quite simply, nothing wrong with being a nerd, but there is something wrong with being one of those nerds who flocks to booth babes in my eyes, the ackward ones, who don't get much social action, AKA neck beards, simple as that.

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@JasonR86 said:

@TadThuggish said:

This comments section is why Jeff Gerstmann doesn't mind telling you to "Fuck off" on Twitter and/or Formspring.

So you're implying that Jeff is acts out because there's disagreement in the comments section for a GB article? I would hope not. That sounds really childish.

I think he's referring to some of the rather nasty personal attacks towards Patrick.
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@big_jon: Ah so your judgmental and prone to making assumptions too, did I ever once imply that I was personally offended by your statement? No I think not I just pointed out how you shot your argument in the foot by insulting another group of people who are for the most part generalized and marginalized. Also suddenly turning around and saying oh well I was there too so I'm also one of them, just makes it look like your covering your ass, also recall you called them neckbeards not nerds so which is it? Are you a nerd or a neckbeard since you're the one that brought nerd into the equation.

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@TadThuggish said:

This comments section is why Jeff Gerstmann doesn't mind telling you to "Fuck off" on Twitter and/or Formspring.

So you're implying that Jeff acts out because there's disagreement in the comments section for a GB article? I would hope not. That sounds really childish.

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This comments section is why Jeff Gerstmann doesn't mind telling you to "Fuck off" on Twitter and/or Formspring.

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@Phished0ne said:

This article...man...this article, and these comments. I am going to start with with this statement, I hate the idea of using attractive women to promote a game, a service, a product, a store, anything. BUT, Modeling IS a profession, and im sure a lot of models really enjoy their jobs. Maybe not the ones who have to dance on a pole at the DMC booth. BUT it is, there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of using attractive women to draw attention to your booth.

It happens all the time, it is the purpose of the model in a lot of cases. Be it walking the catwalk at the Victoria Secret show, or walking around the nintendo booth with a 3DS strapped to them. They arent being forced to do it, they are getting payed(fat stacks of cash too, in a lot of cases) to do their job. We can argue until we are blue in the face if this is right. But it happens, and it isnt even a problem with video game industry, it is a problem with marketing and advertisement in general. Marketing companies want to take the easiest way out, so instead of focusing on the merits of their product, they focus on the easiest thing possible. If a woman wants to take a job showing off her body to promote a product, that is her right. Maybe she enjoys the attention, maybe she likes the money, but we cannot act like these women are being forced into these jobs. They aren't, its a decision THEY make.

Wanting to institute a convention-wide ban on 'booth babes'(isn't it fun when the people that are calling out against something use a term as degrading as they think the practice itself is?) is so asinine i dont even want to talk about it, but i will. A company should decide if they want to draw the people who would be drawn by that. If they make that decision, they should be allowed to. Outsiders are allowed to criticize and critique it as much as they want, but as long as using models is standard practice in the marketing world, they cannot ban it. It seems the people that want to ban them forget the most important point, models are people too. You think the people standing up against the 'terrible objectification of women' that this practice is, would hold strict to their baseline argument. They are people, if you start banning the practice, models will start to lose jobs.

this. I would really like the models to know a thing or two about the game or product they are working for too, but this sums up how I feel.

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I never really thought about it before but I am glad I am thick skinned, the things I see bothering other people don't bother me in the slightest(like the Catwoman bitch thing up there), that includes the famous "N" word, which I use on my friend's cat. *shrugs*

Have fun ya'll, i'm going to play more video games.

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@biospank said:
Most of the stuff that I heard sounds creepy but then again I am not at E3 and probably never will.I can see why car shows have them. It makes perfect sense to see a atractive woman dry humping a car or dacing near its range. But I guess these sorts of things does not work with electronics? 
(pictures a lady trying to dry hump an Xbox 360 like that one guy did)
 
...Yeah, it doesn't work.
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This article...man...this article, and these comments. I am going to start with with this statement, I hate the idea of using attractive women to promote a game, a service, a product, a store, anything. BUT, Modeling IS a profession, and im sure a lot of models really enjoy their jobs. Maybe not the ones who have to dance on a pole at the DMC booth. BUT it is, there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of using attractive women to draw attention to your booth.

It happens all the time, it is the purpose of the model in a lot of cases. Be it walking the catwalk at the Victoria Secret show, or walking around the nintendo booth with a 3DS strapped to them. They arent being forced to do it, they are getting payed(fat stacks of cash too, in a lot of cases) to do their job. We can argue until we are blue in the face if this is right. But it happens, and it isnt even a problem with video game industry, it is a problem with marketing and advertisement in general. Marketing companies want to take the easiest way out, so instead of focusing on the merits of their product, they focus on the easiest thing possible. If a woman wants to take a job showing off her body to promote a product, that is her right. Maybe she enjoys the attention, maybe she likes the money, but we cannot act like these women are being forced into these jobs. They aren't, its a decision THEY make.

Wanting to institute a convention-wide ban on 'booth babes'(isn't it fun when the people that are calling out against something use a term as degrading as they think the practice itself is?) is so asinine i dont even want to talk about it, but i will. A company should decide if they want to draw the people who would be drawn by that. If they make that decision, they should be allowed to. Outsiders are allowed to criticize and critique it as much as they want, but as long as using models is standard practice in the marketing world, they cannot ban it. It seems the people that want to ban them forget the most important point, models are people too. You think the people standing up against the 'terrible objectification of women' that this practice is, would hold strict to their baseline argument. They are people, if you start banning the practice, models will start to lose jobs.

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I like fat girls.

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I heard about the Catwoman 'bitch' thing before I played the game, and it didn't sound like a big deal. It's in the character of the thugs, after all. They're supposed to be misogynistic assholes.

But then I played it, and godDAMN does it overdo that shit. It absolutely is over the top and does harm what is otherwise a pretty good game. The game goes out of its way to remind you that every thug and boss in the game thinks that Harley Quinn and Catwoman and any female is a bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. It was totally unnecessary, and bothered me.

(it also made me wonder if my problem was that I [as Catwoman] didn't like being called a bitch. That made me feel pretty shitty about times I've used that word in the past.)

Using booth babes is way worse. Similar to violence or racism, sexism in a video game isn't nearly as bad as sexism in real life. And that's exactly what strippers at E3 conveys: "Hey guys, it's totally okay to objectify women in public! In fact, here, I'll help you out - check out THESE titties. Want to buy my game?".

Thanks for the article, Patrick.

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Most of the stuff that I heard sounds creepy but then again I am not at E3 and probably never will.I can see why car shows have them. It makes perfect sense to see a atractive woman dry humping a car or dacing near its range. But I guess these sorts of things does not work with electronics? 

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@ursa1979: Finally somebody making sense around here! 
 
At least Patrick got what he wanted out of this article which is a ton of hits and "conversation".
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@Draxyle said:

I regret reading more comments. Some of the direct, personal attacks on Patrick here (from people who are completely missing the point) are abysmally shameful. If anything, they've proven how valid this article is after all.

Thanks again for the write-up, Patrick. This is important stuff and I'm glad someone is taking it seriously.

You know, they had at least one valid point: Using a picture of booth babes on the top of an article meant to criticize this practice is of somewhat bad taste because we don't get the perspective of the babes themselves.
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@DanteFaustEsq said:

@big_jon: Way to undermine any point you would have been trying to make by insulting a whole group of people, but hey "neckbeards" are unattractive and lonely for the most part so they are less then human, amiright. Good to know your sticking up for one group while blanket insulting another.

hahaha. Really? If you feel that is directed toward you then that's your issue, I was not generalizing, I think the average nerd, like me would avoid Booth babes because of how awkward, and demeaning they are.

Not sure if you got this, but I am on Giantbomb.com, and I went to PAX, so clearly I am a nerd, so why would I use a negative blanket term for all nerds if I am one exactly?

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Friggin man hating fest is what this thread is. But yea booth babes are ridiculous, should get rid of em.

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@big_jon: Way to undermine any point you would have been trying to make by insulting a whole group of people, but hey "neckbeards" are unattractive and lonely for the most part so they are less then human, amiright. Good to know your sticking up for one group while blanket insulting another.

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@Supertom11 said:

This oversensitiveness towards any type of sexuality is getting old. Thousands of gamers flock to see dozens of games where the primary objective is to shoot people in the face, and somehow they come away offended by girls in short shorts. Next year I hope they hire nothing but overweight greasy fanboys to model their games and we'll see how the game journalist community reacts.

I denouce the objectification of overweight, greasy fanboys!

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One-Two-Three-Four.....I declare a flame war!

You really want this to stop? Get more women into the gaming industry. And stop fucking fellating Gametrailers and G4, put them on blast for their shitty coverage and encouraging this crap.

It'd also be nice to see actual developers tell the E3 organizers to go fuck themselves and move all their press to PAX. Might even get publicity for their developing titles!

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What is with the prudence brigade that has dominated the conversation lately. It is especially bizarre coming from the site that almost gave Saints Row the Third game of the year. Sex and violence sell and get people pumped up and excited. This is not new and it is not unique the games industry. From car shows, to movies, to soap commercials, attractive men and woman draw attention and get people to check out your product. There is a larger conversation about misogyny in our culture, but when it comes to selling with sex you will find prominent feminists on both sides of the debate.

But to the general point i think it is strange and a tad bit fascist to want there to be some sort of top down ban on booth babes. In my opinion it should be up to the developer/publisher and the product they are trying to sell. It would not make sense to advertise for Schindler's list with women in bikinis. Likewise, for games that are trying to be mature and tasteful like Beyond or Journey etc. it does not make sense to have booth babes (and they probably don't have them). On the other hand, games like Saints Row the Third, DMC, and God of War trade in sex and violence, and so of course they should try to sell with booth babes. My point is that it should be up to the developer/publisher and any critique should be leveled at the developer/publisher (not the ESA). For example, I agree that Nintendo chaining women to 3DSs is strange, awkward, and offensive given the product they are selling, but that is on Nintendo.

There is, of course, a line that can be crossed. Unfortunately it is not one that is easily articulated. The best the Supreme Court could do is say, "You know it when you see it." I agree that games should be pushing into more mature and tasteful territory, and I tend to prefer games that do. But there are many gamers (including myself when the mood strikes me) that like dumb adolescent vulgar and violent entertainment also. There is nothing wrong with that and it exists in all mediums from music to movies to books. Some developers are trying to make something adolescent, and using sex to sell the product makes sense to me. They should not pretend to be something they are not.

Finally, modeling is a legitimate profession and many of the women who model actually like their job. I know this anecdotally since my wife use to be a model (she is a lawyer now). She and many of her peers really enjoyed what they did including the crappier work like trade shows.

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@JasonR86 said:

@Nettacki said:

@JasonR86 said:

@deadmoscow said:

@CaLe said:

Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

Not only is this jackass missing the point of the article completely, he's actually dragging the conversation backwards. As a community, are gamers just that terrified of women that they have to lapse into knuckle-dragging misogyny at the slightest provocation?

Jokes dude! It was a joke! Lighten up everyone! Jesus.

Joking in the heat of the moment here doesn't seem like a good idea, you know.

If people are so emotional about this topic that they can't take a joke it would be in their best interest to leave before something else really sets them off. Nothing will be accomplished by these forums except jokes and thoughtful discussion. Nothing practical will come of it. So getting 'heated' about it seems dumb to me.

I hope this thread is getting locked soon. Oh wait...

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@Nettacki said:

@JasonR86 said:

@deadmoscow said:

@CaLe said:

Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

Not only is this jackass missing the point of the article completely, he's actually dragging the conversation backwards. As a community, are gamers just that terrified of women that they have to lapse into knuckle-dragging misogyny at the slightest provocation?

Jokes dude! It was a joke! Lighten up everyone! Jesus.

Joking in the heat of the moment here doesn't seem like a good idea, you know.

If people are so emotional about this topic that they can't take a joke it would be in their best interest to leave before something else really sets them off. Nothing will be accomplished by these forums except jokes and thoughtful discussion. Nothing practical will come of it. So getting 'heated' about it seems dumb to me.

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@JasonR86 said:

@deadmoscow said:

@CaLe said:

Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

Not only is this jackass missing the point of the article completely, he's actually dragging the conversation backwards. As a community, are gamers just that terrified of women that they have to lapse into knuckle-dragging misogyny at the slightest provocation?

Jokes dude! It was a joke! Lighten up everyone! Jesus.

Joking in the heat of the moment here doesn't seem like a good idea, you know.
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@koolaid39: You're referring to the original post I quoted, not me right? Because I was fairly certain my sarcasm was obvious, before outing the original poster with "Seriously...etc".

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@Barrock said:

934 posts. How and why?

Thats only this thread, your excluding the exhaustive amount of side threads that have cropped up about this issue.

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934 posts. How and why?

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@Sweetz said:

The thing about all the hullabaloo that I hate is there's this undertone that a man shouldn't be allowed to look at an attractive women or appreciate her only for her appearance in a wholly incidental context. That somehow getting enjoyment out of looking at a pretty woman makes us misogynists or rapists. God forbid a man ever experience a purely physical attraction with a women that he will never interact with in a meaningful manner, because looking at boobs turns all men into monsters, apparently.

If there was a trade show whose attendees were primary women and the vendors used hunky guys to promote their products, would any male in the audience here give a fuck about it? I really don't care if a women gets a rise out of looking at an attractive man. I really don't care if all they only see that man as a sexy man - and I'm betting he doesn't either. It doesn't degrade me in any way - it doesn't even degrade the model because he's not in a context where he should even care about the people's opinions of him.

In the sense that booth babes are marketing that doesn't actually speak to the quality of the product - yes they're not doing any good; and if they were banned, it's not a big deal. This isn't an anti-booth-babe-banning argument. However, the feminist angle that always comes in about it being degrading to women (all women, everywhere) is just bullshit. A guy can appreciate an attractive women without thinking of all women as sex objects; and if the situation were reversed (with male models that I hereby dub: stand studs) no rational man would take issue with it.

My exact thoughts about this topic and in most feminist movements. Why does it bother them so much that some women choose to become models to be looked at by other guys while they do not mind looking at male models all the time in the a female favorite magazine "Cosmo." Now, if MOST feminists (not all) were not so hypocritical, then I would give their arguments some merits. The gaming community was, and may still be a predominantly male community and, therefore, all advertisements and treatment of costumers were geared towards males. When the industry becomes more of a 50/50 ratio then things will probably change because, well, sales won't be as high. If you look at facial products (other than shaving products) they USED to be advertised towards women. You would see a female washing her face with this product and would have better skin or whatever. Only recently as men started to appreciate being well groomed has there been ads that have some guy make a testimony saying that his skin is much better. However, you still see that its mostly geared for women and that's absolutely fine.

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I regret reading more comments. Some of the direct, personal attacks on Patrick here (from people who are completely missing the point) are abysmally shameful. If anything, they've proven how valid this article is after all.

Thanks again for the write-up, Patrick. This is important stuff and I'm glad someone is taking it seriously.

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@ANDS said:

@BrianP said:

It's really weird to me how the idea of treating women like human beings makes some dudes SO MAD.

My god what an asinine comment. Paying (not forcing) hyper-sexualized to the point of fantasy women to help advertise your product to a male dominated tradeshow is not a symptom of female abuse or misogyny. Recognizing that a large majority of men are turned on by the female form, and using that as a means to draw (albeit a false) comparison between that reaction and your product is not female abuse or misogyny.

The objectification of women is a real problem (especially for the youth of this country), one that needs to be addressed - but where there is smoke there isn't always fire.

The community made some great points in this thread but your last paragraph sums it up quite well. Lets explore the deeper issues rather than just get all offended and demand regulation.

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I'm just here for the Dante pic.

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@Terrorbite said:

@Bocam said:

I honestly can't bring myself to care about ether side of the argument.

I feel the same, I think both sides of this argument has large holes (Men are objectified as much as women in games, but booth babes are still childish and manipulative.) and as such I will retreat to the easy, but useless answer of "whatever man".

gotta agree. i mean, e3 could do without the bounce castle bullshit and the poledancers and strapping consoles to chicks, but other than that boothbabes are fine they are whatever, they are just part of the glitz and glamour thats e3,

i bet if e3 just went back to being just with plain koisks with consoles, the bitching wont stop,

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Great article. I'm glad this issue is getting more and more attention because otherwise it just will never change.

I'm also incredibly amused by that response from Broussard. And not at all surprised, since he's always struck me as being the perfect manchild.

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Given that booth babes are completely unnecessary, who suffers if they no longer appear at cons? I don't think there's anyone on this site who can honestly say that their con/expo experience would be lessened if they knew they wouldn't see any scantily-clad ladies with fake smiles.

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@rm082e: You had me at split roast. :)

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@BrianP said:

It's really weird to me how the idea of treating women like human beings makes some dudes SO MAD.

My god what an asinine comment. Paying (not forcing) hyper-sexualized to the point of fantasy women to help advertise your product to a male dominated tradeshow is not a symptom of female abuse or misogyny. Recognizing that a large majority of men are turned on by the female form, and using that as a means to draw (albeit a false) comparison between that reaction and your product is not female abuse or misogyny.

The objectification of women is a real problem (especially for the youth of this country), one that needs to be addressed - but where there is smoke there isn't always fire.

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@deadmoscow said:

@CaLe said:

Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

Not only is this jackass missing the point of the article completely, he's actually dragging the conversation backwards. As a community, are gamers just that terrified of women that they have to lapse into knuckle-dragging misogyny at the slightest provocation?

Jokes dude! It was a joke! Lighten up everyone! Jesus.

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Without fail, any article posted on any video game website that deals with gender politics, sex, or white / male privilege, is going to bring the most ridiculous, awful people out of the woodwork. I thought our community was at least marginally better than the scumfest that is Kotaku commenters, but then you read things like this:

@CaLe said:

Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

Not only is this jackass missing the point of the article completely, he's actually dragging the conversation backwards. As a community, are gamers just that terrified of women that they have to lapse into knuckle-dragging misogyny at the slightest provocation?

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Why does no one care that the one in the middle is past her sell by date? No standards in here? Shit.

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While I personally will have nothing to do with the booth babe thing, I have to respectfully disagree that this is an issue that should be engaged by the ESA. The problem is that while sites like Giant Bomb may decry these practices, major media outlets (G4 TV comes to mind) encourage this type of behavior. Furthermore, a lot of fans enjoy seeing skimpily dressed women parading games around. I've seen that picture of the Tekken women across the Internet, probably 20 times. The extra buzz and attention (even negative) that they have received will probably sell enough copies to make it worth it for them. I think the grander solution is for the people who dislike this kind of thing, press and developer alike, to go somewhere else (*cough* PAX *cough*), E3 will re-calibrate, or go under. That is, of course, if the people complaining about this issue are more than just the vocal minority, which I suspect they may not be.

And that, my friends, is the depressing part. The real problem is not E3, it's the people who, by and large, consume the media.

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So only 12 year olds like hot ladies? Well shit!

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It's really weird to me how the idea of treating women like human beings makes some dudes SO MAD.

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The issue is that at E3 they aren't marketing to 12 year olds. They are marketing to mid and upper level management of major retail chains as well as the press. Do they need scantly clad girls to entice them to come into the booth and hear a pitch for software? I guess they might have too if they all have the attention span of a 12 year old.

But we've seen what happens when E3 doesn't do that. It is a boring "disaster" so people look at it in a wiry way and keep wandering around the floor space.

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I think it's the people calling for people to grow up are the ones who need to grow up and accept the fact that not everyone has to think and act as they do and because they don't doesn't mean they are somehow a lower tier of intelligence than them, what if there are a large group of people, both men and women, whom enjoy this sort of thing? Are they degenerates? Are they lower forms of life for liking things sold to them by sexy women or men? Are they 12 year olds like most like to throw around like rocks? I see them as people with a preference and a different set of morals and opinions than you, as being some sort of PC hypocritical bringer of morality just screams douche to me. Instead of screaming people need to grow up how about you accept the fact that everyone is different. *shrugs*

Also, some of the folks are 12 years old, don't they have the right to like what they like if they like it? Are you telling actual 12 year olds to grow up too? Heh. I hate speaking out my opinion about these sorts of things because usually I have the wrong opinion or I don't get the situation or conversation, but whatever.

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Really appreciate these kind of articles. Thank you Patrick.

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@heatDrive88 said:

@Evercaptor said:

At least it generates jobs for those models/ladies that get the gigs and hopefully with the heightened attention to credentials, it's a nicer environment for them to be working in.

Yes, because if anything, we must think about the women who are simply not capable of getting real jobs. E3 and convention expos - we're all about giving today's beautiful woman jobs, and keeping them off the pole from dancing at strip clubs.

Seriously, think a little harder before making your awful reductionary comments.

As a person that has friends that model, saying that they are "not capable of getting real jobs" is more offensive to me than them dressing up in whatever their employer asks them to (and they willingly agree to) and getting paid for it.

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It won't grow up until the majority of us grow up.