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Guest Column: Digging a Little Deeper: Dwarf Fortress, Fantasy Tropes, and World Building

Guest contributor Gita Jackson explains how Dwarf Fortress' ability to let you tell your own stories helped her overcome her usual disinterest in Tolkien-esque fantasy.

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When I play Dwarf Fortress--or dip my toes back in by reviewing the records and legends of my worlds--I remember something my mom once told me. Having immigrated from India to the United States when she was three, she wasn’t familiar with a multitude of things that saturate our culture. Chief among those was the Bible, and when she sat down and read it, she wondered why no one told her how sexy it was. Full pages filled with begats, full pages devoted to lustful jealousy, full pages of illicit sex (and the scandals derived thereof). I had a similar feeling in my English classes: When I read Jane Austen, I wondered why no one tells teenagers that you’re supposed to find it funny; when I think about Wuthering Heights, I wonder why no one tells people there’s a fucking ghost in the very first chapter. And I have a similar feeling about Dwarf Fortress, a game I avoided playing for years because all I ever heard was that it was hard. Dwarf Fortress, as it turns out, is delightfully human and absurd.

The thing about not knowing the Bible is sexy, or that Austen is funny, or that Bronte is dark as hell, is that it denies readers a sense of joy when they interact with those texts. We are supposed to read the Bible in a certain way, as a moral backbone to our culture, and ignore just how much and how often it talks about sex. Austen and Bronte are grand narratives about women in the Regency era, but they also have room to delight or disturb. This is how you get young people to relate to these things, the things that they have no real way to relate to.

The tropes of fantasy saturate the genre as much as the Bible saturates American culture--if you haven’t read much Tolkien (or if you haven’t liked much of the Tolkien you have read), all you get out of a lot of modern fantasy is the knowledge that the author is really into The Lord of the Rings. In terms of that saturation, Dwarf Fortress is no different. It’s dwarves, elves, goblins, wars and barons and kings and kingdoms. If you’ve never played Dwarf Fortress, you probably only know two things about it: It’s got dwarves in it, and it’s really hard.

But there’s a secret layer to Dwarf Fortress. Underneath the swords and the ale, it is a way for you to make compelling, touching fantasy stories.

“One Ring To Rule Them All”

Have you ever noticed how much of Fantasy, as a genre, is about reinstating a monarchy? Generally speaking, the arc of a fantasy plot is this: change is coming, change is bad, and we must stop all change. Most fantasy is rooted in a telephone game version of Arthurian legend, which posits that England (or a metaphorical England) is still waiting for its one true king to return, often twisting that old story only with a dash of Tolkien’s dwarves and elves and orcs.

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J. R. R. Tolkien is, for good or for ill, the architect of most modern fantasy. Unfortunately, what modern fantasy seems to have taken from Tolkien is not his unlimited imagination, but his tendency to dump lore in a solid chunk right into the middle of the chapter. It is so disappointing to see the lore take precedence over the people that live in that world. Towns aren’t towns in fantasy--they’re weigh stations, nondescript inns, places to pause as you hear another part of an ancient prophecy. So many fantasy books and movies dedicate time to developing original languages and maps, but spend little energy developing their characters or plot structure, instead choosing to ape The Lord of the Rings (and often ending up only with cardboard-cut out facsimiles).

It isn’t the tropes themselves that bother me, it’s the way that fantasy leans on those tropes so that these stories all become variations on the same themes. A ring of great power is as boring as a wife who dies in the first act to motivate the male lead: As soon as those things show up, I know exactly what beats these stories will hit, and I’m no longer interested.

It’s the ubiquity of these fantasy elements that makes, say, A Song of Ice and Fire so thrilling. In George R. R. Martin’s world, the long lost true Queen is potentially a villain (or at least very morally grey), the traditions the culture clings to are presented as absurd, and the monarchy that Westeros depends on is killing it. There are other exceptions, of course; like Harry Potter which was essentially crack for eleven year olds, and its more cynical and adult counterpart, Lev Grossman’s The Magicians.

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But these books deal much less in the rote recitation of tropes than in using fantasy as an allegory for something else. For Rowling, it was racism, and for Grossman, it was growing up. For those authors, the tropes of fantasy are more or less mutable. They’re a canvas on which to paint other, bigger ideas. Too often, fantasy takes that same canvas and decides to leave it blank. Besides, in 2016 do you really need to imply that a monarchy is a better form of government, or that some people are just better than others by birth?

I am missing the gene that allows me to like tropes for the sake of themselves, because when tropes are employed uncritically for passive enjoyment, they can reinforce old, conservative values, attitudes that seep into the text unwanted. Human life has moved on since King Arthur--I want a fiction that reflects that more than it reflects how much latin the author knows.

I’m so sorry about all those puppies

Yet, I love Dwarf Fortress, and Dwarf Fortress is absolutely a rote recitation of tropes. For fuck’s sake, all dwarves are more or less alcoholics, and without alcohol they die. That’s not a joke: That’s a thing that happens in Dwarf Fortress! It doesn’t even stop there: The elves reject your trade goods if there’s wood in them because they just love trees that much. Although there are no faeries, your dwarves can be taken by strange moods to create legendary wares. After you reach a population of eighty dwarves you’ll be attacked by a crew of goblins that I guess just hate you because goblins are genetically predisposed to murder. By all accounts I should hate this (and at times it does make me roll my eyes) but Dwarf Fortress isn’t asking me to sit and watch as someone else takes down an ancient evil (all while spouting its bespoke lore at me). It is asking me to build something.

My Dwarf Fortress runs aren’t quite as out there as other people’s. I tend to play in six or seven hour stretches until I realize that I’m in a food shortage that is going to spiral out of control, or that I’ve dug into an aqueduct and that all my dwarves are going to drown as their fortress floods. But I do get attached to characters--I usually make my expedition leader the mayor, and if he ever loses an election, I tend to take out the nicer statues from the mayor’s office and put them in the former mayor’s bedroom. At one point, I hadn’t realized I had made one dwarf’s mother and father part of my military and in fact only discovered it after they both died. But my one Good Dwarf Fortress Story is also probably the worst thing I have ever done in the game, something I try to make up for every time I play it.

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In my effort to get a fleet of hunting dogs and war dogs, I let their population go unchecked. It wasn’t until I noticed the game hitching, my animal trainer trailing 20, 30 puppies in his wake, that I knew I had a problem. I gelded all the male dogs but I knew that wasn’t going to be enough. After the last male dog had been neutered, a female dog had yet another litter.

I killed all those puppies, reader. We ate puppy meat pies and wore puppy leather armor for months. And now I only take two dogs on expeditions, and I geld the male after the first litter.

If Dwarf Fortress is using tropes as a conduit for anything else, it is as a conduit for storytelling. Not just for telling the player stories, but for letting the player tell their own. It is taking something familiar and asking you to create your own mythology around it. When my mother used to read me The Hobbit as a bedtime story growing up, I’d always want to spend more time in Hobbitton, to hear about their lives there. If I rewatch the Lord of the Rings movies I turn it off once they meet Strider, because there’s no more Baggins family gossip. Dwarf Fortress, in the way that I play it, is all Baggins family gossip. It allows you to create these places as places, and not as a rest stop before you meet your destiny. I always wondered--did visiting traders recognize the armor on my dwarves? Did they curl their noses at the stench of steaming puppy flesh?

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The reason why so many of us read literary fiction is because they are interested in people, in refracting the slow moving waves of our lives so as to organize their composite parts. Only the best fantasy and science fiction is also interested in that, and it’s been, at least for me, incredibly hard to find. Dwarf Fortress relieves an itch I’ve had for years--gimme that magic shit while you’re also offering up family drama. Gimme those legendary swords while you’re giving me the tale of a legendary craftsman who makes wooden baskets beyond comparison. Gimme all the blood shed and gore while also giving me a simple farmer who spent at least three months trying to shave a cat. Fantasy that doesn’t respect this mutability, this diversity of experience, that remains static, feels about as exciting to dig into as an encyclopedia.

What Dwarf Fortress asks me to build is a world--not like Cities: Skylines or The Sims does, but a whole world, a world where records are later written as myths. Sometimes I log back into old, doomed fortresses in the game’s Legend mode just to read that solid chunk of lore. What separates this from the tomes of fantasy novels is that I made these worlds, just like I made Corrin and Jakob get married in Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest, just like I built the house my sims live in, with the exposed brick and charming breakfast nook. It asks me to build a neighborhood, one where you know everyone walking down the street. Dwarf Fortress isn’t just asking you to play it, but to play with it; not just to be a reader, but to be a co-author, to create the story you want within it. It is a mirror asking for your reflection. It is a fiction waiting for you to tell it your perspective, waiting for you, for you to tell it how to be.

When I play Dwarf Fortress, I wonder why fantasy so infrequently explores the theater of the absurd. We, of course have expectations, but the Sandmans and Pan’s Labyrinths and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrells of the world are so few and far between--especially in video games. Why would I care about an ancient creeping evil and long lost kings when I can generate a world where someone gets bitten by a Were-Horse and later demolishes an entire colony of dwarves? Dwarf Fortress is not only able, but eager to communicate warmth, and loss, and community. Because, of course, fantasy isn’t bad. It’s just stagnant, and it’s yearning for someone like you--yes, you--to breathe some life into it. The uncritical tropiness of Fantasy, as an outsider, feels so self serious. Dwarf Fortress, though, is like life: Irreverent, confusing, unpredictable, frequently tragic, and as frequently hilarious. It is an inlet into humanity, a place where I can transpose my lived experience onto a simple grey smiley face.

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Gita Jackson is a writer and critic living in Chicago. When she's not staring at a screen all day long, she helps run Hume, an artist run studio space and gallery in Humboldt Park. She really likes cats and her favorite movie is Face/Off. You can follow her on Twitter @xoxogossipgita, and listen to her chat with Austin on this episode of Giant Bomb Presents.

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So glad to have an article from Gita on the site! I was sure it'd only be a matter of time once this feature started up, but it's great to see it here. Thanks for contributing, Gita!

And about Dwarf Fortress, too. What a fantastic time.

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SLAY (now off to actually read the piece).

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I killed all those puppies, reader. We ate puppy meat pies and wore puppy leather armor for months. And now I only take two dogs on expeditions, and I geld the male after the first litter.

George R Martin would be proud!

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I miss when 2cat was the greatest DF meme of all time.

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I love and hate Dwarf Fortress.

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-- just wanted to mention that Gita is also awesome on the Match 3 Podcast (or, Gita and 2 others to the superfans), with some news guy who left us for Schreier's Destiny harem.

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Nice read. DF is definitely an interesting mix of trope-laden and not. The elves love trees, sure, but they're also cannibals. The goblins assault your fortress, but goblin poets can visit your tavern to entertain. This is the case both for the setting as well as gameplay elements - metals with more military value for the most part aren't rarer/deeper/harder to mine, and there isn't a strict hierarchy of value (steel for edged weapons, but denser silver for hammers and maces.) But on the other hand, if you dig greedily and deep, you'll find both the expected rewards and the trope-specified risks.

The complexity of the gameplay and setting are also reflected in how people approach the game. Some players care about each puppy, and some deliberately build their forts on a pile of dead puppies. Hey, they can be trained for combat and they don't need pasturing/feeding. I just wish there was an easier way to set the weaker and smaller ones for butchering. By keeping a larger herd and culling the weak, I'll have stronger war dogs, which might save a dwarf. This leads to moral choices a lot more interesting than you see in many games where it's a designed scenario. Is it better to care well for a few animals, or breed many so that individual deaths don't matter as much? There are personal as well as gameplay arguments for either, and they are based purely on the mechanics and the situation you put yourself into, they weren't designed for you. Don't want to decide? Don't take or trade for any dogs, and geld any that come with immigrants. You may end up puppies anyway, but you can at least make it a smaller problem and delay thinking about it.

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Really enjoyed this piece, although I am not sure I agree regarding literary fiction (and especially the idea that "so many" of us read it). That was a part where I flashed back to one of my English professors, so intent on shitting all over any popular literature that it literally made me cringe and decide to write a pulpy and pretty bad revenge murder short story for one of our assignments where the focus was "write about something that you don't understand".

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What Dwarf Fortress asks me to build is a world--not like Cities: Skylines or The Sims does, but a whole world, a world where records are later written as myths. Sometimes I log back into old, doomed fortresses in the game’s Legend mode just to read that solid chunk of lore. What separates this from the tomes of fantasy novels is that I made these worlds, just like I made Corrin and Jakob get married in Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest, just like I built the house my sims live in, with the exposed brick and charming breakfast nook. It asks me to build a neighborhood, one where you know everyone walking down the street. Dwarf Fortress isn’t just asking you to play it, but to play with it; not just to be a reader, but to be a co-author, to create the story you want within it. It is a mirror asking for your reflection. It is a fiction waiting for you to tell it your perspective, waiting for you, for you to tell it how to be.

What a great paragraph! I've been a co-author of worlds within games and that is some of my most treasured memories. I spent dozens of hours in the franchise mode of one of the Madden games for Nintendo 64 as a 12 year old. My 'character' was a coach/GM that went through many seasons of ups and downs with a team, losing long-time players to free agency, drafting and watching players grow, and winning superbowls. I didn't play most of the games, I simulated past them to get to the off-season which was where I lived. But I grew to love the randomly-generated players of random drafts in the 2020s who became stars on my team, and when they retired I took a moment of silence to appreciate their contribution. I haven't thought of that in a long time, but this paragraph really brought that back. Wonderful job, great read.

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There's a ghost in Wuthering Heights!? This was a great read. I've been thinking that Dwarf Fortress' deeply simulationy nature makes it so it can't help overcoming its tropes by giving them real repercussions.

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I really appreciate this piece, and it makes me sad that there will never be a Deep Dive into DF on GB. Dave's gone and I don't think any of the other duders would take the time to Learn to play it. Which sucks, since there is SO MUCH crazy shit that can happen in ol Dorf Fort. :(

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@sethmode: HI it's Gita. I was a little worried about how that sentence would come off removed from an earlier context I had (in a previous draft I referenced my experiences at a high school magnet program for creative writing and how that influenced my view of fiction). I really love pulp! I'm not doing an irony when I say that Face/Off is my favorite movie, it super legitimately is.

But on the other hand, I do think literary fiction, especially modern literally fiction, is especially concerned with untangling human life, and the more that I read, the more I want that. I want it alongside vampires and dystopian megacorps, sure, but I want it all the same.

If I may be so bold: my friend Max's novel, Echo of the Boom, captures both pulpiness and "literariness" really well. Plus there's a teen DJ named Jennifer Savage!

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also ok i guess if anyone has Qs for me i'm going to take a shower and drink some almond milk and then hang out here a bit?

i am actually very sorry about the puppies.

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@xoxogossipgita: Thanks for the reply Gita! Big fan both of Match 3 and your stuff! And I kind of figured that that was what you meant even when I read it, and I was mostly being more facetious, on my end, just remembering my own experiences with one nightmare professor. I have been away from anything super recent (in fact, after I posted that I had a moment where I thought "Man, what was the last literary fiction book I read? Should I have even said that?") but I am confident that you are correct in your assessment that they most likely do delve more into the untangling of human life in comparison to how shallow some of the pulpier stuff can be (and I DEFINITELY agree with you that we need to have both!)

Finally, definitely appreciate the recommendation! Have an Amazon GC burning a hole in my pocket anyway!

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@xoxogossipgita: Hi Gita! As a listener of Match 3 (which I found after hearing you on the Beastcast) it's simply a delight to have you be a part of more GB content. You're a damn treasure and it's a toss-up as to whether I more enjoy listening to you on the podcast or reading your words here and elsewhere. All the best, it's great to have you onboard.

Also, I believe you were the one who turned me onto Regency Solitaire and those unworked work hours are starting to pile up now...

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Kingdoms of Amalur was really coming onto something with how they built their world.

I loved the idea that elves simply replay their lives over and over like it were a play, and no matter what that performance had to go on, line for line, or else they perceived their entire society would cease to be. It was such a different take on what we always seen from elves in fiction that it was a fresh breathe of air.

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@xoxogossipgita: Reading your harrowing puppy tale has made me extremely interested in playing DF. Are there any good resources you'd recommend to help people start out playing the game?

This article was so so good! I always look forward to reading your stuff!

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I can't wait to read this when I have some time this weekend. Dwarf Fortress has always been fascinating but seemingly impenetrable to me. I think someone mentioned Gita did a Match 3 podcast about it - does anyone know what episode number or date that was? I"d like to give DF a legit try and if she has advise for first-timers. I'm all ears.

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@bigmess: hi! thank you!

WELL one big help i had was the Dwarf Fortress Wiki Quickstart Guide. Really invaluable! If you wanna know what to do right away, what economies you're going to need, and what the keyboard shortcuts are, I can't recommend this enough. I kept it open in a tab the entire time I played.

I also really recommend getting a newbie pack, with tiles sets and dwarf therapist! Dwarf Therapist is a tool to make managing what jobs your dwarfs have easier, and tiles sets are just easier on the eyes. Have fun!~

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This is great! I'm a coward and can't fortress for dwarves, but i could just read logs from the game ALL DAY. Some of that shit is so hilarious (but mostly tragic), and it's the best.

Also, while China Mieville's Bas Lag series can be somewhat messy--though I'm a full-time Iron Council evangelist--I found these books super exciting because they break down fantasy tropes in some really surprising ways. I mean, can't think of too many fantasy novels that even attempts to consider what living in a large city might actually look like, particularly for the "peasantry." It's not for everyone for sure, but I think it's exciting and fearless in ways that remind me of reading the Left Hand of Darkness or Earthsea for the first time.

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Dwarf Fortress might be the most interesting game that I'm never going to play. I think I'd be more inclined to try it out if it looked just a little sharper because I have an awful time even parsing the visuals.

Anyway, this is terrific, Gita! I hope there's more to come.

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Dwarf Fortress is pretty great. We actually made our own story thing on the DF forum. It is kinda crazy what you can do and what can happen.

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I have to say I'm having a bit of trouble grokking what point this article is arguing. The DF anecdotes were fun, as DF anecdotes frequently are, but the literary criticism elements seemed rather half-baked. To say Jane Austen is funny or the Bible is sexy are the most superficial recommendations possible for those works. Frankly, it seems blatantly condescending and counterproductive to insinuate schoolkids and casual students of literature aren't able to interpret the text themselves without being told "this centuries-old joke is funny! you just don't get it, idiot!" Perhaps the disconnect comes from the fuzziness of the word "trope." If you look at a body of work like Tolkien's, the narrative is so wholly defined by what have become exhaustively explored tropes that to separate only the less-frequently subverted sections of the plot is to lose sight of how those sections play into the broader thematic structure of the narrative. In DF's case, it doesn't really engage with the Tolkien-esque narrative in any meaningful way, other than to give an impetus to the naturalistic storytelling, (much like every other western fantasy game since D&D) so I don't see what's particularly interesting about that aspect of DF.

Generally, I think calling for more whimsical or subversive works of fantasy speaks to certain lack of understanding of the historical context of what made the tropes compelling and influential, (whether thats Tolkien's life, post-ww2 England, or anything else) seeking to focus on self-referential wackiness rather than a maturation of the genre at pace with the evolution of our more modern society.

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@drdarkstryfe: God, every time I read this fact about Amalur, I decide to try KoA: Reckoning again... and then I never get more than a few hours in before getting distracted. ONE DAY.

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yo great stuff gita! :3 glad to see sam philips' podcast guests featured other places! big fan of match 3, keep it up

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Have you ever noticed how much of Fantasy, as a genre, is about reinstating a monarchy? Generally speaking, the arc of a fantasy plot is this: change is coming, change is bad, and we must stop all change.

It’s the ubiquity of these fantasy elements that makes, say, A Song of Ice and Fire so thrilling. In George R. R. Martin’s world, the long lost true Queen is potentially a villain (or at least very morally grey), the traditions the culture clings to are presented as absurd, and the monarchy that Westeros depends on is killing it.

“But the Elves are not wholly good or in the right. Not so much because they had flirted with Sauron; as because with or without his assistance they were 'embalmers'. They wanted to have their cake and eat it: to live in the mortal historical Middle-earth because they had become fond of it (and perhaps because they there had the advantages of a superior caste), and so tried to stop its change and history, stop its growth, keep it as a pleasaunce, even largely a desert, where they could be 'artists' – and they were overburdened with sadness and nostalgic regret. In their way the Men of Gondor were similar: a withering people whose only 'hallows' were their tombs.”

Excerpt From: J. R. R. Tolkien; Christopher Tolkien; Humphrey Carpenter. “The Letters of J. R. R.Tolkien.”

Everything old is new again...

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@xoxogossipgita: It was pretty fun to do and I would love to do it again one day. I have not played in a bit so I am sure there are new things I don't know but I will learn. It is truly the game for "procedural storytelling", the amount of things it tracks and that can happen is just insane.

@austin_walker:Buy some copies at least to give my state some money.

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If anybody is looking for great fantasy lit that doesn't rely on the tropes Gita describes here, check out N.K. Jemisin's work, particularly her Inheritance trilogy and/or the Dreamblood duology.

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No, I can't do this, I don't have space in my life for Dwarf Fortress. this can't happen!

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Gita. ily.

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I've been reading about Tolkien & C.S. Lewis a lot lately, and it's surprising how subversive Tolkien is, even compared to the style of fantasy his name's attached to. He made the Obvious Hero Strider play second fiddle to an ordinary hobbit who saves the world not by winning an epic battle, but through tenacity and an act of mercy. Tolkien used the Lord of the Rings as an allegory for Christianity, modern warfare, and the heroism of the common man in a way that still makes it wildly different from 99% of other fantasy.

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@austin_walker: It's worth it to power through to that point of the game. It is pretty early all things considered, and the lore goes places.

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I really like your take on things, Gita. While games that have stories that draw you in are fun, I've always found games that let you create your own story, are the ones I remember 5 years down the track. Thanks for a great read.

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Great piece Gita! If you're looking for fantasy that breaks the mold I would highly reccommend the Golem and the Jinni. Its a romance/fantasy book that (for someone who dislikes both things) I loved to bits.

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Articles for the Article God!

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Thanks Gita, that was fun. Lets do this again!

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i am actually very sorry about the puppies.

To avoid the infamous "catsplosions," one must learn to butcher kittens in Dwarf Fortress. And make crafts with kitten bones to sell to elves. It comes with the territory!

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Huge fan of this article. I dive back into DF every 2-3 years and get sucked in for a month or so. It's always a pain to relearn the game, but it's always a rewarding experience, for all the reasons you've expertly relayed here.

Gotta agree with @cautionman about Mieville's Bas-Lag series--the world is fascinating, but not presented in a masturbatory, look-how-creative-I-can-be fashion. What matters is what's happening to the people in the story. Perdido Street Station, The Scar, and Iron Council all make you turn pages feverishly, not simply because you want to see another unique thing that exists in the world Mieville has imagined, but also because you have to know what happens next. It's a mixture that I like to believe a lot sci-fi and fantasy authors shoot for, but many fall short.

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Nice to see something from you, Gita. I've wandered into your twitter feed a dozen times since I started following Austin. The macabre absurdity of puppy-culling is something I've experienced as well, and it hits me a bit, moreso than watching Dwarves die. (though, isn't that how it always is?)

The more recent updates have done great things. One of my recent forts had a Plump Helmet Man bard successfully bash a one-armed goblin to death in a bar-fight, which is a glorious image in its own right.

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Giving modern readers a chance to personally discover authors that have achieved massive acadamic acclaim really is a challenge. I had the exact experience you describe with Jane Austen - thought that'd be one of those nightmarish assignments you just have to power through sometimes and was amazed how entertaining her novels can be. Additionally, I found myself on the other side of that coin with Paul Auster. I discovered him simply through friends' recommendations before he became the norm for German English classes and was stunned to find people slightly younger than me disliking his works more often than not.

Regarding clever uses of played out fantasy tropes I have to mention Pillars of Eternity here! It actually makes the transition from real life to lore/ philosophy to monolithic myth/ ideals a major part of its themes. Of course, much like Dwarf Fortress, mechanically it mostly follows the established rules, which can make it a hard sell for the "uninitiated".

Still loving the guest articles! This continues to go so very, very well.

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"gimme that magic shit while you’re also offering up family drama." My thoughts exactly. One thing I really love is slice of life fantasy. Great article.

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Thanks Gita! You make me smarter! That's a fun and nice thing to do!

I was just taking my dog for a walk and thinking about the reams of lore in fantasy games because of this article. As an Extremely Visual Reader, long paragraphs chock with names of people and places and events and specific dates get inscrutable in a nanosecond. If you're writing a fiction novel set in, say, an analogue of 1970s Germany, it's fine and expected for you to tell me about World War II. But you don't need to tell me, an alien who has landed in your world for a matter of hours rather than decades, about Benito Mussolini or Austria-Hungary or the Franco-Prussian War. Really, I probably don't even have to know about them *conceptually*, let alone the specific nomenclature you've assigned to them in your fantasy world. Just give me the elementary school version. "Some contries, including the one you're in now, were part of a global war this many decades ago; these are the repercussions relevant to this story." I'm a visitor in your fictional world, not an inhabitant. If you think the story is important enough to flesh out, then do that elsewhere! Write a prequel set during that event! But don't give me the ingredients when all I need is the flavor. Don't bog me down and box yourself in.

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I would love see vinny and the Beast crew play Dwarf Fortress

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This was a great piece! I have always been too scared to give DF a shot, but I think the time has finally come.

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"It's the current year, so we should stop doing x!" needs to stop.