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If You Don't Know About Brown v. EMA, You Should

Supreme Court expected to deliver a decision on the sale of violent games on Monday. The impact on games could be tremendous. Get informed.

The legal fate of many video games lies in the hands of the people inside of this building.
The legal fate of many video games lies in the hands of the people inside of this building.

"For those of us who develop games, our right to express ourselves is hanging in the balance." -- Insomniac Games CEO Ted Price in a blog post last year

The future of video games as a creative medium may change Monday. The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling on Brown v. EMA, otherwise known as that violent video game court case you've seen so much coverage about in the past. The ripple effect could be tremendous.

The case was previously known as Schwarzenegger v. EMA, changed to reflect California's newly elected governor, Jerry Brown.

"We can all agree that parents are the best arbiters of determining what is right for their children," said Entertainment Software Association (who is arguing the case) president Michael Gallagher in an editorial for U.S. News. "The issue at hand though is how best to support those parents. [...] As a medium, computer and video games are entitled to the same protections as the best of literature, music, movies, and art. In the end, Americans’ rights to speech and expression are sacred and inviolate--and millions across the political spectrum agree with us."

In short, the case concerns the sale of violent games. There have been attempts by states to classify violent games differently than how material is treated in other mediums, be it music, movies or literature. All of these laws, even those that were passed, were eventually struck down by the courts, declared an infringement on First Amendment rights. Games are protected speech.

But are all games?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That's the First Amendment, obviously.

== TEASER ==

Oral arguments for the case were heard in November, but the Supreme Court doesn't immediately issue a verdict. It's expected but not assured we'll hear a decision Monday. The case itself concerns a 2005 law passed in California (California Civil Code sections1746-1746.5, which you can read for yourself here) that would regulate the sale and rental of violent games to minors.

The law defines the classification of a "violent video game" in this way:

(1) "Violent video game" means a video game in which the range of options available to a player includes killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being, if those acts are depicted in the game in a manner that does either of the following:(A) Comes within all of the following descriptions:

(i) A reasonable person, considering the game as a whole, would find appeals to a deviant or morbid interest of minors.

(ii) It is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the community as to what is suitable for minors. (iii) It causes the game, as a whole, to lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.

Postal is one of the most common games detractors point to as
Postal is one of the most common games detractors point to as "obscene."

The question at hand is whether games, like other media, are fully protected under the Constitution. The law, as written, would make selling a violent game to minors a criminal offense, moving from industry self regulation to potential fine--up to $1,000 per violation, in fact. This doesn't mean your average GameStop clerk would be fined, as the violation would only apply to those with "ownership interest" (.e. a store manager), but retailers would be at risk.

"California has a compelling interest in protecting the physical and psychological care of minors," reads an amicus brief filed by California state senator Leland Yee. "When juxtaposed against the backdrop of protecting the First Amendment, this Court has held that the Constitution does not confer the protection on communication aimed at children as it does for adults. When weighing the conflicting concerns of minors this Court correctly carved a flexible standard of review and not a strict scrutiny approach. We know, of course, that a state can prohibit the sale of sexually-explicit material to minors under a 'variable obscenity' or 'obscenity as to minors' standard.

Yee is a well known supporter of these kinds of laws.

An amicus brief, by the way, is basically an argument filed on behalf of each side, typically by someone who will be affected by the outcome. It's meant to be complimentary.

Yee, and many others, argue violent videogames fall under the same categorization as pornography. The status of pornography was largely defined by Miller v. California in 1973, which declared content marked as "obscene" was not protected by the First Amendment. The case resulted in what's referred to as the "Miller Test," which is alluded to in the California law.

The "Miller Test" (the whole text of the decision can be found here) is divided into three parts:

(a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Roth, supra, at 489,

(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and

(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

If a work fits all three, it's considered "obscene." Just swap the sexual terminology for violence.

The crux of this case is whether government, not industry, should protect minors. Parents are still allowed to purchase whatever they please for their children. The fear from the industry is the classification of obscene, lumping games in with pornography, and the requirements for games to be labeled. It could prompt a chilling effect on the creativity of the medium. Games are entertainment--they need to make money. If the commercial market for these games was restricted, what would be the point of making them? You'd be catering to a niche market.

The popularity of DOOM and Mortal Kombat lead to some of the first laws against games.
The popularity of DOOM and Mortal Kombat lead to some of the first laws against games.

"As content creators, if there is a chance that our games will appear in an 'Adults Only' section of game stores we will have to restrict what we create to avoid going out of business," said Price.

The law itself does not specify an "Adults Only" section, but it does require some labeling through a "solid white '18' outlined in black" 2x2 inches sticker on the box.

Several companies filed briefs defending games, including Activision and id Software.

"As a matter of content and form, video games are a projection of such traditional media as literature and film, both of which the First Amendment protects in full," reads the brief from id Software. "In fact, the themes on which video games rely are staples of fiction. This being true, this Court could not deny full protection to video games without making an artificial distinction among forms of art."

Naturally, others disagree. One brief represented the attorneys general of Louisiana, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

"California’s law falls squarely within the limits on juvenile freedoms which this Court has upheld" reads the brief. "In fundamental realms--such as voting, marriage, contracts, privacy, travel, juries, sentencing, and speech--states may (and sometimes must) treat minors in ways that would be inconceivable for adults. California’s law is situated within this sensible and laudable tradition. If a state may restrict a minor’s right to vote or to marry, then it may also restrict her ability to purchase graphically violent video games."

How the court decides, and its ultimate impact on the industry, will be known soon enough.

All eyes turn towards Monday.

[U.S. Supreme Court image courtesy of cometstarmoon on Flickr]

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@DivineCC said:

@Twazuk said:

How are violent video games regulated in the United States? Are there no laws against selling mature rated games to minors? That's all I can imagine when these sort of cases come up. Do the people selling these games not care how old the people actually buying them actually are? Are there not age ratings on your boxes?

Theres no criminal law against it. Stores just adopt a policy of not selling to minors but theres no legal consequences for doing so.

This is why I don't understand why everyone thinks this is such a big issue! As far as I can tell this case will just actually make it illegal to sell 18 games to minors - which it already is in most other countries (AFAIK). 
 
In England if a game is rated by the BBC (And probably PEGI as well) it's illegal to sell to under 18's. So what? It's been like that for ages and nothing has changed. If this is really all the law is about, then it totally should be passed! It's ridiculous to rate games and then not even enforce that by law. 
 
America is so weird >.>
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@zudthespud: If by "works great" you mean "is entirely ignored by everyone involved" then yeah it works great.

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@MagikGimp:  
 
 I never let my little sisters play my M rated games no matter how much they begged when i was 17. I even made the little brats leave the room while i played. So if a kid can do this why can't these idiot parents do it?
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@MattyFTM said:

@OppressiveStink: I don't see why it would have an impact on game sales. Plenty of other countries have legally enforceable age ratings on games, and it doesn't affect anything. They sit on store shelves just like every other game. The only difference is that it has an "18" age rating on the bottom corner of the box, and it's illegal to sell it to anyone under the age of 18. That age rating doesn't affect sales any more than an M rating will affect sales in the US, and I don't see why that would change under a law making it illegal to sell violent games to minors. I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill with this whole thing, reading into how it will effect the industry when it'll have little effect at all. It is stupid to single out video games and ignore other types of media, but having legally enforceable age ratings on media is a good thing.

But what you are describing is already happening with the ESRB, the bill is not looking for that sort of safeguard. They want to take it further.
 
What is happening if this thing gets past is videogames with violence in them being regulated to obscene materials. 
 
MAJOR STORES IN THE US DO NOT CARRY OBSCENE ADULT ONLY MATERIAL.
 
Most sales come from major store chains, please keep in mind you aren't the average shopper. You're a moderator on a videogame site, not everyone has your knowledge. People just go in and buy games.
 
That will be gone and a huge portion of sales along with it. Companies won't allow that to happen, so they'll just make games to keep them on shelves. 
 
Remember the US is where the majority of sales come from, our market is way bigger than yours.
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Wait, why not just make a law that forbids retailers from selling games to people that aren't age appropriate and call it a day?

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No amount of government intervention will stop bad parenting. 

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@fontainefellow: That's far too sensible for the government to do.

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So if this is passed all it means is kids can no longer purchase adult/MA games themselves?
 
Wow. Big deal, this makes no difference to anything and is hardly even news.
 
Edit: Until you're of age you get parents/random people in stores to pretend to be your parent when you buy games above your age level. That's what I did.
 
PROBLEM SOLVED

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@Ygg: No it means shops won't be able to stock them.

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@JoeH said:

@Ygg: No it means shops won't be able to stock them.

Well that's the last time I form an opinion based off previous comments again...
 
Hope that doesn't include online stores too
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@Ygg: No it just means major retailers won't stock them. Hopefully sensibleness will prevail.... hopefully...

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This could really push the next gen of consoles into digital distribution if it goes southcock. (but I do think they might go that way regardless)

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The US Constitution: Making the creation and operation of laws a pain in the ass since 1787.

Why doesn't America just act like most other countries and let the legal system operate outside the bounds of a 300 year old document?

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@Doctorchimp: But couldn't this also be the catalyst that causes retailers to start stocking the so called obscene materials.

Something tells me walmart wouldn't want to miss out on their yearly Call of Duty cut, whether it's classed as obscene or not

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@Tebbit said:

Why doesn't America just act like most other countries and let the legal system operate outside the bounds of a 300 year old document?

Common law legal systems developed in the Middle Ages, far predating the U.S. Constitution. Most of your law is based on documents over 300 years old.

Also, 300? Math.

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Awesome. So potentialy the entire worldwide industry could be effected by a US supreme court ruling. Yay for everyone

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@zacharai said:

@Tebbit said:

Why doesn't America just act like most other countries and let the legal system operate outside the bounds of a 300 year old document?

Common law legal systems developed in the Middle Ages, far predating the U.S. Constitution. Most of your law is based on documents over 300 years old.

Also, 300? Math.

I rounded up. Way up, Mother fucker.

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@Cribba said:
Why can't all of these OLD PEOPLE just die?
Unfortunately stupidity can't die...
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@MattyFTM: Having another law is never a good thing  Any time someone says there ought to be a law there really ought not be.  There is no reason to make a law about something that works just fine without a law. More minors get a hold of alcohol  or weed then M rated games purchased by them selves.  In fact the best example of how laws tend to backfire it is easier as a underage person to get any illegal drug then get into a R rated movie or buy a M rated games.   The self regulation in the market now works it works better then any law the threat of a fine is not going to change a thing other then there being another government organization and  government having more power.  
 
Personally I want the government to have less power not more.  
 
@Chavtheworld: yes we are so weird because we don't want a totalitarian government. We like not having our government deciding everything for us .
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the real issue here is why the hell porn is so heavily regulated, lol.

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What  a horrible system in which few clueless illiterate people(Supreme Court) decide what other people can and can't have.
 
You need to change this horrible system.

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 I swear no one seems to understand what being classed as obscene really means. 
 
Let me break this down for everyone this classifications would be the same as hardcore porn. Have you ever seen any porn in a normal store let alone hardcore porn? If so what country do you live in I wanna live there.  
 
This is not setting up a rating system and enforcing it this is classifying violent video games obscene and a special case that is not protected by the first amendment. This is one very slippery slop once you give the government the power to ignore the first amendment for one thing it's only a matter of time til they try and do it for others.  
 
It's what we did with the 4th amendment and look where we are now the 4th amendment is almost non existent. 

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@OppressiveStink said:

@norenewalfee: @TJUK:

Please don't take this as an insult to your respective countries but the USA is quite a bit more of a significant market than your individual countries. Most video game companies make the majority of their dollars from our purchases. To think there wouldn't be any impact after the largest market for video games is stymied is kind of silly.

I think the US accounts for some 36%(?) of all video game sales. So yes, they do need to take that market into account.
 
But I guess, being from the UK I don't fully see the problem either, or why it would affect sales. People are saying the ESRB works great on it's own. If that's correct then I don't see why Devs would need to change what they're doing now; they must already need to take into account that the higher the classification the lower the potential market they're reaching. If the voluntary system doesn't work, then yes, sales might drop slightly for 18+ games, but it'll only drop by the number of minors who currently buy mature games, and isn't that kinda the point? 
 
The main places that will be affected won’t be the big chains which already have strict policies, but the small shops that sell anything to anyone who has the money. And again, I think introducing a system that brings the ethical practices of those shops in line with the larger chains is exactly why classification is a good thing.
 
As a manager of a chain supermarket I'm looking at it from the retailer's perspective: I can't see companies like Walmart suddenly turning their back on all the hundreds of millions of dollars a year they must make on mature games by simply not stocking them. If they're worried about fines they'll introduce a policy similar to what we have here, 'Think 25' which basically means we ask any customer who looks under 25 to show ID when buying an 18+ product, it has almost completely removed the human mistake element and customers almost never protest.
 
And the police and officers understand that the clerks are only human, I was caught selling an 18+ movie to a minor a long time ago, before the Think 25 came into affect; the police and the managers had a sit down chat with me explaining the problem, made me undergo some training and then let me go back to work; no fine and no disciplinary action for me or the store. It was a first mistake and the kid had looked quite old, it won’t just be an instant $1000 fine.
 
Anyway, I guess my only problem with this law (and it's a big problem) is that it singles out games as if they're worse than films (or, as others have said, just for children). Enforced classification in my mind is a good thing, but it should be applied to all mediums, not single one out. Just my 2 sterling pennies worth.

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will it really be the end of the world if kids need to get a parent to buy the latest M rated game? nope

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@Zol said:
" few clueless illiterate people(Supreme Court)"
Wow, really? Supreme court justices are some of the most intelligent, well-read, tuned-in, and fair-minded people in the country. Why don't you go read the transcript of the case before spewing such childish nonsense. 
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people are just not getting it.

Please don't knock our piece of paper that gives us the right to burn flags, hate others, hold massive protests for things we dont agree with, get rid of our head of state when they fubar, view all web sites out there with our restrictions, more or less do what ever the fuck we want as long as we dont hurt others. Few places in the world have that freedom. And laws like this take away from our freedom bit by bit.

As much as i love games like LA Noir, MK, GTA, Red Ded, GoW, Assassins Creed, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, and what not, this is not about games only. Yes everyone in the world could be effected by this law if it passes because game makers will try there hardest to make sure there games make it into as many hands as they can. Game makers are worried about this. I mean look above at the quote.

This is more about more of the US freedoms being taken away. If you live in a other country i respect your views, and what ever laws your country has in place is there. NOT FUCKING HERE!!! We have our freedoms. And they are the biggest thing we have in the States. It is why people are proud to be a American even knowing that a lot of the world hates us for some of the dumb shit our gov does.

But guess fucking what, we get to protest and bug our congress men with phone calls, and stand out side buildings with picket signs and say this fucking sucks! Cant do that in a lot of places with out getting shot at.

So please, if you live in a other country do not come in here and say "Well our country has this and that law its not a big deal". Because to be blunt that is a dumb ass fucking thing to say. First cause that law here in the States, can change how games are made, second, because we dont want to lose our freedoms like you have. And we won't stand around and let it happen, like you have. It is a big deal. A big enough deal people fought for that freedom and died to write that 200 year old piece of paper that gives us the rights to make our own choices. We owe it to ourselves and other country's out there that are trying to follow our path and gain the same freedoms we have, to fight laws like this and understand they are a big deal!!!

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@Nasar7 said:

@Zol said:
" few clueless illiterate people(Supreme Court)"
Wow, really? Supreme court justices are some of the most intelligent, well-read, tuned-in, and fair-minded people in the country. Why don't you go read the transcript of the case before spewing such childish nonsense.

Yeah calling them illiterate and clueless is really dumb....they did ask some very good questions in that transcript if you read it.

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While it totally make sense to not allow violent media (games, movies or whatever else) to be sold to children, this could be the first step in becoming the new Australia.  How slippery is this slope??

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@OwlPen0r  In America, technically the ERSB is a private entity, as is the movie ratings board.  There is no requirement to actually use the ratings (most do largely because newspapers refuse ads for unrated movies, but that's a private decision).  But on another topic, I'd love to see some developers put together a graphically violent game based on the Bible (wouldn't be that hard) and see how that would fly in California.

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@pueblonative: The bible really does not have any place is this topic. As it has nothing to do with the case on hand. the bible is not brought up at all. This is about a state that thinks they know better then the rest of the world, i mean really they have signs around here that say this item contains items that is know in California to cause cancer. ...only in California? :o lol

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@Zol said:

What a horrible system in which few clueless illiterate people(Supreme Court) decide what other people can and can't have. You need to change this horrible system.

The hell are you talking about? The Supreme Court justices are who keep striking down these sorts of laws. And I imagine all of them are far more intelligent than you'll ever be.

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@Tebbit: All joking aside that is how the founding fathers set it up so our country wouldn't end up like others. It is supposed to be a pain in the ass to prevent tyranny. It is very safe from change normally.

And also I can't imagine a ruling against video games seeing as how they are so popular now.

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This won't pass. 

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@capthavic said:

@Cribba said:
Why can't all of these OLD PEOPLE just die?
Unfortunately stupidity can't die...

nailed it.

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I'm afraid . Have you seen the shit Germans and Australians have to put up with ?

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Everyone needs a political agenda I guess. I don't actually think these people bringing this to court are really against video games. I just think they don't play them and need something to further their career in law.  
 
Why not video games? It's a huge case with plenty of press. Perfect for attempting to make themselves look good. Too bad for them I think this is really as far as it goes. 

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@vdortizo How? Take away our freedom of speech? That don't seem like a good idea seeing as that's sorta important.
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@ATTILAtheFUN: They're fighting against this because, much like movies, TV and books, no government has a right to suppress any form of media. Kids shouldn't play these games, and that's why we have ratings on the box. Crap parenting is the only reason this situation arose. But, let me put it to you like this: what happens if, and that's a relatively small if, this law goes through? I'll give you a quick outline: bigoted ignorant fucks think they've gained momentum, and begin an assault against the industry thinking they can get away with this crap. Ratings boards are forced to adapt or die, and the global market dries up because game developers no longer have the freedom to make what they want to make. Violence in videogames disappears, the industry is taken over by all manner of shit games, and we, the older, more mature gamers, end up being pushed out because we no longer get any enjoyment out of our medium. 
 
What I'm trying to say is...well that the people behind this are idiots, they have no clue about videogames, ratings or, for that matter, parenting. Now giving these people a win would inevitably lead to them pushing harder and harder to stomp out any form of creativity and freedom in the games industry, because they're far too close-minded to understand that developers, publishers and distributors aren't the problem. They are. And let's face it, there are worse things for kids than violent videogames. Being bred by two individuals who, just through luck, discovered which parts to put where, creating another wretched life that they'll breed into  the world of ignorance and zealous beliefs, for example, is much worse. 
 
You aren't wrong, and yes, the intentions of this idea are pure, but much like religion, or even government, there are people behind it, and people, unfortunately, are a blight on pure ideas, especially when they're as thick as two short planks, tied either side of a fucking elephant.
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Btw, the freedom of speech Is in the bill of rights. And that is what they are trying to get by.
Everything wrote on them both are very blanketed. I want you to read them and tell me what should be changed that has not already. If you don't know then maybe your thoughts on changing it are flat out wrong.

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@Rhedd:

Well, taking a look at the ESA's site it seems in 2010 only 33% of the video game industry's total profit comes from the sale of M rated video games(i'm willing to bet most of the "M" rated games sold were sold in specialty stores like Gamestop.). The vast majority of the profit comes from T or lower video games. http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2011.pdf

As a financial risk analyst, I suggest ways that businesses cut profit gaps and avoid financial liability scenarios. If I was the manager of a big-box and knew that there would be more than the average once or twice that someone would get away with buying a rated M game, I'd certainly play with the idea with removing the margin of error. ONE 1000USD fine erases the profits of roughly 100 video games (10% profit margin is pretty damn generous). This would DEFINITELY impact the decision to carry M rated games by anyone with half a brain.

Not being in those retailers cuts down on available sales, product visibility, access to certain titles (depending on geographic location, some places here just have big-box places like Walmart). This will impact profitability by the big companies that take chances on games like Red Dead Redemption and L.A. Noir. This makes "M" rated games harder to Justify to stock holders and investors (who, by law in the US, you have to make the right decisions for).

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It seems like ruling to allow restrictions on video games would be a legal precedent that allows restrictions for all forms of media and, thus, all speech.

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I don't think this will pass because it goes against the 1st ammendment, if it does, you should all protest. All gamers unite.

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To me, the "feel good" laws are the most dangerous type that can be presented. They do great harm with the majority of people thinking it is for the greater good. Take the patriot act. It protects us from terrorists, right? Did you also know of our countries right to a speedy trial? Throw that out the window. The law may now hold you indefinitely without a reason exept for the broad suspected terrorist. Say or do something the government doesn't like? Search and seizure without a warrant is now possible. Along with other terrors for a free society, but I digress.
 
As for people from other countries saying "It hasn't harmed us" let me tell you of an experiment pertaining to political science. (Don't try this at home. It is cruel, and just a lesson) Teacher takes a frog. Drops it in hot water. It immediately jumps out. If you put the same frog in warm water and very slowly warm it up, the frog will die from the heat before it knows to jump out. The frog's ignorance of the temperature change is not the frogs fault. It is the malice of the person turning up the heat, ever so slowly. Lessons like this pertaining to people in power can also be learned from great books like , Animal Farm, 1984, Ferinheight 451, and so many others. Not if the books are considered obscene, though. Simple extrapolation based on history will show you the correlation of the proposed law and this possibility.
 
As a side note, I suggested my nephew should read Animal Farm now that he is in the fifth  grade, as I had read it by grade three. His teacher sent home a note that it would not be "appropriate reading material".

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Wouldn't this just increase piracy? 

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Meh, I still don't get this.  You can't sell M-rated games to kids is what this law says.  Developers and publishers all stand by this ideal and bring it up.  When it comes down actually getting a ruling that enforces this, they all say this will be the end of the world and not being able to sell violent games to kids = Nazi Germany. 
 
I scratch my head when a developer says not being able to sell M-rated content to children is akin to " our right to express ourselves is hanging in the balance."   I don't see any connection unless said developer is in the business of creating and selling M-rated content to children, something they all swear they aren't doing.

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Great article, p-dog.

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@sickVisionz:

If you want an answer to your post, feel free to read my posts in this thread. If you make it a law and fine infractions to the law (with big-box retailers, there will undoubtedly be some that slip through the cracks) the big box retailers(the places that sell the most video games,) would stop carrying M rated games. This leads to less profit overall which means different choices will be made when developing video games. This whole argument is about logical causality, it's a pretty easy chain of events to understand.

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@vdortizo said:

Mmm... Edit: As I always say; the constitution of the United States is just too old for the world we live in right now... it needs to be reviewed with a critical eye for today's society...

Really? Man that constitution is so totally lame and stuff. We can already engage in incremental revisions of the constitution. There's no need to make drastic shifts.

The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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Wouldn't this just increase piracy? 
Of what? M rated games just won't be made.