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Medal of Honor's Taliban Renamed To 'Opposing Force'

This will definitely make everyone happy.

The new Medal of Honor's online component once pitted allied forces against the Taliban. It will no longer. Electronic Arts and Danger Close Games have renamed the latter team "Opposing Force" in an effort to soothe all the bad vibrations the game has been receiving as a result of the creative decision to include the Taliban in the first place.
 
It appears the models being used, as well as the weapons by the terrorists formerly known as the Taliban, have not been changed. The swap is in name only, making this move seem kind of hollow in hindsight.

The reaction to the usage of the Taliban hasn't exactly been vicious, but EA has been assaulted by the mainstream media and even the military for it. Before this name swap, EA attempted to explain that Medal of Honor was, in fact, just a video game, and not portraying actual events in its online mode. Later, EA attempted to display the online mode's non-offensive play by giving everybody with a decent rig a free chance to check out the PC version's forthcoming open beta for a period of three days. Now, it's just changing the so-called offensive name entirely. 
 

 A member of the Opposing Force. He answers to Cobra Commander, I think.
 A member of the Opposing Force. He answers to Cobra Commander, I think.


== TEASER ==In a statement, game producer Greg Goodrich confirmed that the people that were kicking and screaming about the Taliban name were a small group. "We’ve received notes from gamers, active military, and friends and family of servicemen and women currently deployed overseas," Goodrich wrote on the MOH blog. "The majority of this feedback has been overwhelmingly positive… However, we have also received feedback from friends and families of fallen soldiers who have expressed concern over the inclusion of the Taliban in the multiplayer portion of our game."

This small number of people means a lot of the Medal of Honor team, and as a result according to Goodrich, EA has "decided to rename the opposing team in Medal of Honor multiplayer from Taliban to Opposing Force." 
 

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I'm guessing this was a tough call for both parties. On one hand, you've got real world people who have given it all in the conflict this game takes inspiration from, who aren't digging the inclusion of the Taliban. On the other hand, this is just a game. It doesn't represent real life--no-one knows that better than the game makers themselves. But does this decision make it better?

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@MarkWahlberg said:
" Shoulda named them the Talibad, and given them all robot eyes. "
Or Taliapproved, or Talistickied, or TaliZorah Vas Normandy.
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@blacklabeldomm said:

" yo check this out, they plan was to call them taliban, then when errbody forgets about the game they decide to rename the taliban to pump out a few news stories just befoh the launch of the game! "

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Errbody in the club gettin tipsy.    
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@FunExplosions said:
" @MarkWahlberg said:
" Shoulda named them the Talibad, and given them all robot eyes. "
Or Taliapproved, or Talistickied, or TaliZorah Vas Normandy. "
That last one is gold.
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Should have left it Taliban, who cares that it says it.

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Wait...wouldn't you need to call both sides the "Opposing Force". It doesn't make any sense to say, "I'm on the Opposing Force" it basically saying, "I'm on the other team!!!" I think EA should have stood there ground, it just a title of a team in the game, not a true representation of the war in Afghanistan. EA should pack in a card with a DLC code to change the name back for people that understand that you aren't killing real U.S. soldiers.

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Pussies

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I think you're all forgetting that none of this matters because the game isn't very good.

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Way to cave .......

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@Greenshoes said:
" I bet somewhere they will forget to remove it. "
I hope so.
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@LordAndrew said:
" "Opposing Force"? Has anyone made a Half-Life joke yet? "
They have now...
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@MarkWahlberg said:
" Shoulda named them the Talibad, and given them all robot eyes. "
This.
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haha whatever. oversensitivity strikes again. 

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 Why is everyone upset by this?
 
The Opposing Forces are really robots remotely controlled by the Taliban who are hiding in the Tier 1s Beards.      
 
I'm looking forward to this game and also can't wait for Black Ops to come out because it means the amount of 12 year olds with headsets will decrease by 80% on MOH servers :)

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cop-out 
 
o well. maybe now bases will have this game. before they were boycotting it.  
 
 
 
 i hope theyre still called that in the SP though

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I was expecting this...

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No one forced the americans to go there and get kicked in the ass by the talibans. They're fine with the thing that they're killing as many "enemies" as possible , but instead they "suffer" when losing some men. I wish all people who wanted this change to die from lung cancer.

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I want a leaked audio tape claiming to be from Bin Laden with a review of MOH when this comes out.

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@Korolev said:
"Most Afghans HATED the Taliban, and the Taliban weren't even Afghan! They were originally from Pakistan, and most of the Taliban leaders are not native Afghan people.   
Most Afghans didn't hate the Taliban and most of the Taliban's leaders were Afghan. The Taliban didn't invent that patriarchal society in which women have no rights, ordinary Afghans lived it long before the Talibs came.
 

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Still will never forget SOCOM changing terrorist win to mercenaries win. I still think it just a video game and a name is a name. 

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@Tennmuerti said:

" Considering that not everyone the American forces are killing in Afganistan is Taliban, this is oddly more realistic. "

My thoughts exactly. Waiting for an 'armed civilian' faction
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@Andrela said:
"  
@Tennmuerti said:
" Considering that not everyone the American forces are killing in Afganistan is Taliban, this is oddly more realistic. "
My thoughts exactly. Waiting for an 'armed civilian' faction "
In Project Reality the civilians are armed with rocks. But then there's also carbombs and a VBIED truck called 'Big Red'.
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I'm missing the point of how this is going to change anything. Just because you give something a different name, it doesn't mean that the people who play it are going to respond to it any differently. I really don't think that a lot of the gaming community will see it as "Opposing Forces" given how the original name was going to be Taliban. They'll still see it as Taliban and there isn't anything that anyone can do about it. 
 
I mean, I could scoop up some dog crap and change the label so that it was carrots but its still dog crap. Change the label from Taliban for Opposing forces and its still the Taliban, imo.

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Yay!  Let's use censorship to perpetuate the power these terrorists have by being afraid to fucking say their name.   
 
Jesus Christ, it's like I'm reading Harry Potter.  "The force who shall not be named."
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@Jimbo said:
" Fucking wEAk.  This is as bad as Pandemic flip-flopping on whether or not to use a swastika in The Saboteur.  Wait, EA was involved in that too.  Probably just lost a sale on this one for me.  I hate gaming being browbeaten into pulling it's punches with totally hollow gestures like this. "
I'm glad The Saboteur kept it in though. I beat it yesterday, and the game was quite good.
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@HatKing said:
" Yay!  Let's use censorship to perpetuate the power these terrorists have by being afraid to fucking say their name.    Jesus Christ, it's like I'm reading Harry Potter.  "The force who shall not be named." "
Hah yeah, pretty spot on.
 
I can't believe they changed it either. Pretty dumb.
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@Ace829: Yeah they made the right call on that one in the end, thankfully.  That game turned out quite well.
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A Taliban by any other name...

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So just before the games release, they change something trivial and get their game spread across every single video game website spawning discussion about the game - meaning the game is in the mind of most gamers.
 
Seems like a good move to me.

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That's fucking dumb.

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Should have been left as Taliban

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The terrorists have won.

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meh, I probably won't play it anyway.

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They bowed to pressure. Weak.
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Just occured to me, why exactly does everyone think this is a bad thing? Is there an actual reason for the name to have been kept as Taliban, or is this just the usual internet haterading on change?

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Anyone who believes the Taliban is, or was ever, the single driving insurgent force in Afghanistan is wrong. The insurgency is largely a collection of local militias and irritated tribesmen that associate with the Taliban, and are sometimes armed and supplied by them. Opposing Force makes more sense to describe them, and not only that, but operationally the Taliban are rarely referred to by name in reports and returns - if there's a contact, it's not described as "Taliban", they're "insurgents". The idea that there's this single force of card-carrying Taliban members out there, organized into a giant army spread around the country, is false. It's part of the reason why it's so hard to fight the asymmetric war in Afghanistan.
 
 They DO exist and it DOES have a major role in terms of the fight over there, but it's far from the whole thing. I don't associate with the mindless lobbying to change it but I feel that, overall, it's a positive change for the game. Not that I'll be buying it anyway, the beta made sure of that.

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Aaannnddd I now give a shit about the controversy. It should have stayed and always been Taliban. That was a ballsy-ass move in the first place. Now it's chicken shit genericness.
 
The local terrorists won this one. The terrorists abroad couldn't care less.

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@MrKlorox said:
"It should have stayed and always been Taliban. "
Again, why?
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@Donos said:

" Just occured to me, why exactly does everyone think this is a bad thing? Is there an actual reason for the name to have been kept as Taliban, or is this just the usual internet haterading on change? "

Because they;
  • caved to political correctness from people who don't play videogames
  • claimed the name change was to respect the "friends and families of fallen soldiers" and to maintain "the reverence for American and Allied soldiers"  yet it is blatantly superficial and changes nothing. You still kill American and Allied soldiers dressed as Afghan insurgents in Afghanistan.
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What a fucking cop out

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Changing the name from Taliban to Opposing Force does absolutely nothing. You are still playing as Taliban soldiers gunning down American soldiers. Changing the name of the enemy does not change who the enemy is.

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@SuperSambo said:
" So just before the games release, they change something trivial and get their game spread across every single video game website spawning discussion about the game - meaning the game is in the mind of most gamers.  Seems like a good move to me. "
Bingo.
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The Opposing Force?? how generic and straight forward can you possibly get?? XD

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Cobra Commander...good one.

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And the games industry caves to the media again.

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@Zatoichi_Sanjuro said:
" @Donos said:

" Just occured to me, why exactly does everyone think this is a bad thing? Is there an actual reason for the name to have been kept as Taliban, or is this just the usual internet haterading on change? "

Because they;
  • caved to political correctness from people who don't play videogames
  • claimed the name change was to respect the "friends and families of fallen soldiers" and to maintain "the reverence for American and Allied soldiers"  yet it is blatantly superficial and changes nothing. You still kill American and Allied soldiers dressed as Afghan insurgents in Afghanistan.
"
1) Again, how is this bad? Logically, if someone wants you to change something, and neither you nor anybody else has a reason to keep it the same, you change it. It's just common courtesy.
2) Changing the name removes a level of implied equality between the multiplayer game and reality. Does it entirely solve the problem? No, but it's a step in the right direction. Anyways, whether the change is significant or not, it's still not a bad thing if you can't give a reason to keep it the same. See 1).
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@Donos said:

" @Zatoichi_Sanjuro said:

" @Donos said:

" Just occured to me, why exactly does everyone think this is a bad thing? Is there an actual reason for the name to have been kept as Taliban, or is this just the usual internet haterading on change? "

Because they;
  • caved to political correctness from people who don't play videogames
  • claimed the name change was to respect the "friends and families of fallen soldiers" and to maintain "the reverence for American and Allied soldiers"  yet it is blatantly superficial and changes nothing. You still kill American and Allied soldiers dressed as Afghan insurgents in Afghanistan.
"
1) Again, how is this bad? Logically, if someone wants you to change something, and neither you nor anybody else has a reason to keep it the same, you change it. It's just common courtesy. 2) Changing the name removes a level of implied equality between the multiplayer game and reality. Does it entirely solve the problem? No, but it's a step in the right direction. Anyways, whether the change is significant or not, it's still not a bad thing if you can't give a reason to keep it the same. See 1). "
People are pissed because it's a bullshit change, with even more of a bullshit excuse.  The reason they made this change is to get the name back out there, not offending a few people (and looking like they care sooooo much about the families of fallen soldiers in the process)  is just a latent function of this whole thing. 
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@Donos said:

" 1) Again, how is this bad? Logically, if someone wants you to change something, and neither you nor anybody else has a reason to keep it the same, you change it. It's just common courtesy. 2) Changing the name removes a level of implied equality between the multiplayer game and reality. Does it entirely solve the problem? No, but it's a step in the right direction. Anyways, whether the change is significant or not, it's still not a bad thing if you can't give a reason to keep it the same. See 1). "

1) EA have already publically stated the reason for keeping the name in the past. They backtracked due to pressure from people who do not want this game released at all. This is about the principle of self-censorship.
2) The reality is that the Taliban are not the only insurgent group fighting in Afghanistan, so changing the name doesn't detract from the 'implied reality' at all. You're still dressed like Afghan insurgents, using IEDs and killing U.S. troops. So the fact they invoked respecting the wishes of the 'families of the fallen' to make a superficial change is completely disingenuous, and makes their exploitation of the real soldier's stories all the more obnoxious.
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@whitesox:  Ah ok, so you're going with the corporate conspiracy theory. Good to know, bad for discussion.
 
@Zatoichi_Sanjuro: Again, what was the reason to keep it? Maybe it was stated, but I don't recall that happening. Now for whether the change is meaningful or not, that's going to come down to the individual I suppose. In my estimation, people would see Taliban vs Coalition in a game and it would have a stronger tie to reality than Opfor vs Coalition. Technically, opfor is likely a more realistic term, but in my experience most people don't know that.  As such, I think changing the name from Taliban to Opfor does remove one layer of the comparison to reality for the majority of people who come in contact with this game, which I consider a respectful gesture. Again, this does not solve the whole problem, but it's still a step in the right direction.
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Meh, it doesn't really effect the game that much, and they're showing respect to people with family members who have died. That's enough to justify the decision to me honestly.

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@JohnnyMcmillen said:
" Meh, it doesn't really effect the game that much, and they're showing respect to people with family members who have died. That's enough to justify the decision to me honestly. "
If they were really showing respect to "the families of the fallen" then they wouldn't have made the Taliban/opfor playable in the multiplayer. They wouldn't even have made the game in the first place. You even say so yourself, the change doesn't effect the game, so how are they showing respect to the families?! The people who are against the game are against the idea of people assuming the identity of the enemy (whatever they're called) in Afghanistan and killing U.S. troops.
 
It's like saying "Out of deep respect and reverence to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend our way of life and to honor the wishes of their families, we have decided to change the kufiya of the enemy from red to blue."