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So, Fez II

Some stuff happened over the weekend.

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Fez II is no longer in active development, according to developer Polytron and its designer, Phil Fish. That’s the word from Fish, who dropped his mic this weekend.

“FEZ II is cancelled,” said Fish in a statement on Polytron’s website. "i am done.i take the money and i run. this is as much as i can stomach. this is isn’t the result of any one thing, but the end of a long, bloody campaign. you win.”

For the record, I don’t believe him, even though I’ve “confirmed” the news with Fish myself over email. I suspect we will, at some point, see (and play) the sequel to Fez, but this weekend’s events provide an opportunity for Fish to leave the spotlight and protect his sanity from the world and, well, himself. Fish speaks too passionately about games to leave them behind. That isn’t some subtle hint, either. It’s my gut feeling.

But how did we get here? It begins with the latest episode of Invisible Walls, a Game Trailers podcast, featuring a lengthy rant from Marcus Beer, a longtime member of the industry now commentating under the named “Annoyed Gamer.” The podcast was discussing the recent turn of events regarding Xbox One self-publishing, and how both Fish and Braid designer Jonathan Blow used Twitter to criticize the press for running towards both of them for quotes about what was, then, still a rumor coming from Game Informer about the news. A rumor with some legitimacy? Sure, and while it eventually proved true, Blow was upset reporters were asking for commentary without more information (for example, the revenue share ratio) and Fish lamented the press seeking a quote before everything was confirmed. Fish's divisive nature is easy traffic.

Cue Beer:

“But, of course, the press, wanting to get reactions, they went to a couple of indie developers. In this case, Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish, because those guys are the self-styled kings of the indie genre. They’ve been on Indie Game: The Movie, and they’ll turn up and quote for anything and everyone. And Ms. Fish and Blow, or BlowFish as I’m going to call the two them right, because while they may be moderately tasty, they’re also kind of lethal. [They] decided to go bananas and bitch and moan to Game Informer, in particular about “How dare you, how dare you ask us questions about this story! I’m sick of you guys wanting my opinion on this story!” Both of them, both bitching away. And I’ve just got a little message for the BlowFish. Gents, you are the guys who did Indie Games: The Movie, and some of you looked relatively normal in it, one of you looked like a total tosspot in it. You can’t have it both ways. You’re successful game designers, you’re indie game designers--hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters. Let’s get something out of the way. If you are successful and you want people to promote your games, and you go to the press and give them quotes for anything that pertains to your shilling your next title, when the press, then, come to you and say “this is something that’s pertinent to the indie scene, let’s talk to BlowFish because BlowFish are successful and they are, you know, supposedly these pioneers” don’t get fucking snicky about it, alright? Jesus, you should be grateful that these guys consider what you say something of use.. Me? I think the both of you are a pair of tosspots. You may make good games. Well, Blow makes...Blow makes a good game. Fez, I’m just not into at all. I’m just not into it. I respect people that do [enjoy it]. My own personal opinion, though? Having seen these wankers over and over again, bitch and moan--Phil Fish in particular, though.

Other Commentator: He does come across as whiny.

Beer: Whiny? He’s a fucking asshole most of the time. I’m an asshole, but that’s what I am, that’s what I do. I suck it up. But what I’m saying is that if you guys want the promotion the next time around on your Fez 2 or...what’s the follow-up to Braid, The Witless? Witless? Whoa! Yeah, c’mon. I would like to say to every outlet who got dismissed by BlowFish, fuck ‘em. Next time they have something to shill, say “yeah, not so much interested.” It is a two-way street, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You guys are out there, you have to suck it up.”

Game developers do not owe us anything, and I don’t owe them anything. It’s archaic to view the press-developer relationship as strictly symbiotic, and is indicative of an old view of the press-developer relationship. Do I often rely on developers to open up and allow me to tell their stories? Yes, but it’s an optional dance we do the tango to. No one is indebted to the other once that exchange has run its course, and that's the end of the road. If you're on a writer/journalist making this argument, that's really bad.

Anyway.

Fish caught wind of Beer’s comments, and exploded on Twitter.

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("Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself" is a Futurama quote, but that's a bit besides the point.)

That’s just a taste. Beer eventually responded, and offered Fish an opportunity to discuss his commentary on camera, but Fish wasn’t interested. Over the next hour or so, Fish continued to vocally express his displeasure, speaking more broadly about his feelings about people slinging crap his way, and the toll it takes on psyche. It ended with Fez II’s abrupt cancellation, despite having been announced only recently.

I spent the weekend largely disconnected from the Internet. Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume.

We all handle criticism, especially the vitriolic kind, differently. I stopped responding to jerks, and ask people to come in my direction through email, private messages, or questions over Tumblr. Over time, it's produced excellent results, but not pulling the trigger and snarking back at a jerk is hard. Vocal game designer Hideki Kamiya tells people to fuck off. Fish responded by yelling, stirring the pot, and unironically latching himself to a photo of known troller (he probably would have hated that term) and comedian Andy Kaufman.

Some of his comments are indefensible, and some, I suspect, he wishes he could take back.

But I know the good of the Internet, too, and I wish Fish had, either, seen more of it or reminded himself of what it produces. I’ve had my moments with the Giant Bomb community, but so much has been tremendous.

I mean, look at this stuff.

When my father passed, the Giant Bomb community started a thread with well wishes about my work and anonymous comments about my father, a person none of them had ever met. I kept that thread bookmarked on my phone during the first week of my father’s passing, and would often head into the bathroom, page through the thread, not really reading anything, and cry. It was a showing of genuine compassion by a group of people who only knew me from what I put out there. When I needed them, they had my back.

And that's to say nothing of how we pulled together for during the passing of the irreplaceable Ryan Davis.

Whenever someone gets under my skin, I reach into my bag. Tucked into a pocket are a series of letters, private thoughts from people who have reached out over the years, thanking me for one thing or another that I've been involved in. Most of them bring a tear to my eye, and each reminds me why I'm still doing this.

99% of the Internet has been nothing but nice to me, even when it’s a backhanded compliment. It’s easy to focus on that 1%. That 1% is vile, hateful, spiteful, jealous, mean, and would likely be as venomous in a public place as they are with a badge of anonymity. Many are probably teenagers who will grow up and learn to regret their ignorant actions, but some of them aren’t, and those are the people who scare me the most. But I can’t spend my day worrying about the 1%. I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

I hope I’m doing an okay job of that.

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@eduardo_padilla: https://boards.4chan.org/v/

I warn you though, it's not pretty in there.

Thank you, appreciate both the link and the warning. Now... where did I put my old matador suit?

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Why not feel sympathy for Fish because of his apparent hyper-sensitivity?

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Phil does have a knack for acting like a dick in the public eye, he seems like a man who needs to calm the fuck down, he's clearly just too insecure. I'm sure he has great sides to his personality but really, as someone who has issues with sometimes flying off the handle I feel that dude needs to take a long hard look at himself, and his actions.

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Great story, Scoops. You really exemplify solid games journalism. And this is why I love Giant Bomb as a whole: solid, level headed writing and reporting. Always with integrity. And always hilarious. (When appropriate, and sometimes even when not appropriate.)

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@north6 said:

@mikkaq said:

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Good riddance, this guy was an egotistical dick, a racist and has yet to make a good game.

He should take his own advice under consideration.

Wait, why do you think he is racist?

Probably being overly sensitive about his comments about Japanese games. I mean hell maybe he has cultural beef against Japan's game designers, doesn't mean he hates their whole race.

Then again no one really knows what racism is anymore so yeah...

Weird.

Hey overreacty dude. Most Japanese games just suck. Japanese game devs say so themselves, as have the Bombcast folks. Saying that doesn't make you a racist.

It's also not objective fact, and the manner in which Phil addressed the topic at that panel was crass.

That being said, no, Phil Fish isn't racist, but as I said in another thread, he is absolutely terrible at handling adversity. He's also not a tortured genius that needs to be treated with delicate hands; he's just a guy that is ill-equipped to handle the fame that's been dropped on him. And any time something like this most recent incident comes up, his response isn't mature in any way; he could have avoided publicly responding to Beer. If he really needed to vent, there are ways he could have done that offline, away from the internet. He didn't have to provide fodder to his detractors.

The only thing he had to do to avoid any of this was keep his mouth shut, which is sadly one thing that he seemingly incapable of. And he didn't just reply with a polite retort like Blow; he went on a full diatribe, became further enraged when people sniped at him in the midst of it, and then announced at the end that he's taking his ball and going home.

Both Beer and Fish share blame for this. The amount of blame can be debated, but both of them acted like children. One of them is an internet talking head with an angry man persona that goes by a moniker worthy of a Youtube superstar. The other is a thin-skinned game designer that loves kicking hornet nests and then becomes bewildered and indignant when he inevitably gets stung.

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@dunklekuh81: I thought it was a typo..

I think Beer has been on weekend confirmed once or twice, he wasn't half bad.

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@pyrodactyl: That's the story as I heard it at the time. I wasn't on a GTA IV review so I can't speak from personal experience. Is it possible I heard wrong? Sure. That being said, it's well within Rockstar's rights to decide which outlets can and can't post reviews of their games ahead of the release date based on any factors they see fit.

Before posting this I Googled around a bit to see if I could find anything on this. The only things I turned up were that IGN had the first review to go live, and it was, in fact, a perfect score. I'm not saying that validates what I remember hearing, but it does sort of lend some credibility to it. Still possible I'm wrong here; hell, it's totally possible I'm thinking of another game entirely. That was five years ago and I barely remember what I had for breakfast.

It's also possible that the terms of the embargo were misrepresented when explained to me - again, I'm going on word of mouth here. Either way, if I find something that either proves or disproves it, I'll post it here.

yeah, I think I remember Shane, when he worked at gametrailers, complaining about timed exclusive reviews handed to IGN or Gamespot. It's a pretty shitty practice but I can' imagin it's based on score. It's just some kind of co-marketing thing. The website with the exclusive gets all the views and the publisher gets a lot of promotion.

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Eh, well I'm kind of neutral on all of this. I think what the "Annoyed Gamer" (that really is an un-original title. lol) WAS out of line. But so was Phil, he could have just ignored it. And sure, Phil probably does come off as being pretentious, etc. But who cares? He has a right to be who he is and that's who he is.. great. So long as he isn't actively out attacking other people. If he's done that, then I suppose he is no better than Mr. Annoyed. In the end, looking at this as an outsider both these "gentlemen" look incredibly childish and self-absorbed.

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I like that you call Fish out for being the goddamn schizo he is - of course he'll be back, soon enough.

I harbor no ill will for the man, but what do you expect when you take everything so close to heart? The dude's name is "Annoyed Gamer" - he deserves zero respect or attention, and yet he went on to vomit on Twitter, ending it with "fuck everyone, I'm taking my ball home". I suggest Fish gets some help, or some drugs, and goes on a spirit journey, and hopefully comes back with a boxed version of Fez II from the nether world.

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@retsub101: Beer has always been like that. The dude is old. He was not influenced by AVGN.

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That's exceptionally well said. I was pretty vocal about how... angry... I was about Fish's treatment. I guess from the perspective that while he did/does say some stupid things, and he was/is divisive, he brought something into the world that absolutely resonated with me. Something that reminded me of playing games when I was a kid - a feeling I haven't had for DECADES. People can bring up that moot argument about games not being art, but there's absolutely no denying that the people that create these things truly are artists and them expressing themselves makes our world a richer place. I mean, supposedly people hated Michaelangelo because he was short-tempered and offensive*.

I think if Fez 2 never becomes a thing because Fish was driven out of the industry, we're all worse off for it.

* Apples and oranges on that last comparison, just really used to emphasize a point haha

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@warmonked: So you really think it's the same, Beer talking about Fish not wanting to leave a comment to a journalist, and Fish telling him to kill himself?

I don't think Beer was "just" talking about Fish not wanting to leave a comment to a journalist. His insults are pretty harsh.

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I'm not going to read through all fourteen pages to see if anyone has posted this yet, but here's a comment from Zeboyd Games, the indie dev responsible for games like Breath of Death VII and Cthulhu Saves the World (tagging @patrickklepek, in case he hasn't seen this, as it might be of interest to him):

There is no Internet War on Creatives.

Yes, if you make something popular, you will get your share of haters. But unless you’ve made some serious mistakes, the haters will be far outweighed by the supporters.

It’s easy to engage with the haters and hate back, but that just escalates the problem. If some says something negative, either ignore them or try to disarm them with a kind & humble response. You’d be surprised how often not retaliating and being kind can defuse an ugly situations. And if that doesn’t work, definitely ignore them – no point in wasting your life worrying about someone who is being irrational and trying to offend you.

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.” – Brigham Young

It’s easy to focus on the negative and ignore the positive. Don’t. When someone takes time out to say something nice about you or your work, try to respond back, even if it’s just a simple “Thank you.” You should spend most of your community interaction time with your fans, not your detractors.

Seriously, just be nice. It’s not always easy but it’s easier than the alternative.

People have been commenting on here that the internet hates creatives and that if the internet existed earlier, a lot of classic creative works wouldn't exist. But you can't look at the response that a figure like Phil Fish gets and equate that to the majority. Fish has a caustic personality and stirs up trouble unnecessarily. How many indie devs have had success without resorting to abusive theatrics? And in Fish's case particularly, how many times can he pull these sorts of stunts before people just don't care anymore? If he resurfaces next week and says, "Hey, guys, Fez II is back on!" are people going to cheer or groan? Either reaction could be easily justified at this point.

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Great article Patrick!

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Nice to see more article content, Pat, and some good stuff too. Love you duder.

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I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

I hope I’m doing an okay job of that.

Giant Bomb makes my day happy. Keep up the good work.

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The whole Phil Fish debacle kinda makes me a little sick. It feels like when you were in middle school where kids would pick on other kids because it was easy and you know you'd get a reaction There are many facets I'm still trying to wrap my mind around in this story, I don't think anyone necessarily is fully in the wrong here, but I'm not sure there in the right either. A lot of us on the internet were picked on and socially isolated as kids, you'd think we'd learn to change that bullying mentality but it appears otherwise.

I want it to be clear I'm not blaming Beer here, he had no idea what was going to happen and while the message of his latest tirade certainly doesn't help matters I don't find him to be the real culprit here. I'm more talking about the angry villainous palm rubbing that some internet commentators are doing.

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You know, sometimes criticism can come from a genuine place. Not that I'm saying Marcus Beer has ever offered constructive criticism. He's as big a tosser as I've ever seen online.

But you can't just dismiss criticism out of hand. Sometimes when several people are saying similar things, even if they're nasty things, there may be something there. Something one needs to work on.

That's not meant to try and justify vitriol mind you. But Fish has made himself a target through his own actions, through his own inability to take even small criticisms with grace, and his willingness to be exactly what trolls love- the kind of guy they KNOW they can get a rise out of.

My point is, you train others how to treat you with every action, every reaction, and every "I'm taking my ball and going home" moment like Fish is doing.

He is wrong though. He, or rather Fez, was promoted by "media leeches" and he ate that part up. And an indie developer is especially beholden to the press. Because often the gamers are buying not only a clever indie game, but supporting a clever indie developer.

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That someone with a handle as oblivious as "The Annoyed Gamer" managed to drive out a creator as perceptive as Phil Fish would be hilarious were it not immediately sickening.

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Wait, the internet and this "press" guy can shit-talk, but Phil can't? Fuck off.

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Great story Patrick

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Great, very poignant article Patrick, thanks.

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Good riddance

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It's hard to sympathize with someone like Fish.

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Well said Patrick. It's easy to lose sight of the greater goal when we focus on the little things that irritates.

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Sometimes I think the internet needs a long time-out so we can all relax and think about our actions. The internet can be a cruel place, but people should rise above the anger and hatred, or at least ignore it.

Phil Fish needs to just go away for a few months or more so he can either grow some skin or calm his nerves.

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@patrickklepek - I don't think he said "MS" Fish...

Anyway, onto the story at hand. Most people are nice to you because you aren't a raging snob the way Blow and especially Fish are. When originally asked to comment, they could have simply said "no comment," or "I don't have enough facts to form an opinion," or "hey, catch me after Gamescom, maybe there's more concrete info," or anything else that didn't sound venomous or come across as hating having to deal with the press.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what Beer said in that context. Fish has decided to be a polarizing figure, and the hate he gets is in line with other polarizing figures.

People ask if Beer would badmouth a big publisher? Let me put it the other way. Imagine a dev like Shigeru Miyamoto, Hideo Kojima, Ken Levine, or anyone else who's in that stature throwing a tantrum like Fish tends to do. Does it come to mind easily? Probably not, because those guys are respectable. Even Jade Raymond, exposed to the very worst the internet had to offer, never strayed from being a professional. Fish, however, has cast himself in the same lot as Clifford Bleszinski and David Jaffe, people more concerned with being acerbic than being artistic. Fish made his own bed, and I'm tired of people trying to talk about how good a guy he is.

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Fish is a cool guy, I have no problem with the way he operates...I don't hold people to impossibly high standards, if that annoyinggamer guy wants to talk shit he should expect to be responded to.

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I have never liked Phil, Fez or indie game the movie.

Beer is 100% right.

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REALLY solid article on both the situation and your personal experience. Great work, sir.

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@hef said:

I have never liked Phil, Fez or indie game the movie.

Beer is 100% right.

What about with Jonathan Blow? Was Beer right to call him names too?

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@face15 said:

This is intended as a angry yelly Internet comment.

That said, the problem I have with Patrick is that I came here for a article about Fez 2, but this is just an article about Patrick.

I typically avoid Patricks articles but the few I have read all seem to devolve at some point to shameless self-promotion of his sterling moral character.

I suppose I need to send Patrick a email or Tumblr to ask why he thinks it necessary to include a gallery of fan images of himself in a completely unrelataed story about indie developers.

Did you READ the article? He was promoting the Giant Bomb community's character, not himself. He was relating his own experiences with trolls on the internet to Phil Fish's. Don't let me stop you from reaching though, man.

REEAAACHHH SOOOO VERY FAAAAAARR! If you want to read a boilerplate article with nothing personal from the author let me direct you to the rest of the fucking internet.

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@face15 said:

This is intended as a angry yelly Internet comment.

That said, the problem I have with Patrick is that I came here for a article about Fez 2, but this is just an article about Patrick.

I typically avoid Patricks articles but the few I have read all seem to devolve at some point to shameless self-promotion of his sterling moral character.

I suppose I need to send Patrick a email or Tumblr to ask why he thinks it necessary to include a gallery of fan images of himself in a completely unrelataed story about indie developers.

Did you READ the article? He was promoting the Giant Bomb community's character, not himself. He was relating his own experiences with trolls on the internet to Phil Fish's. Don't let me stop you from reaching though, man.

REEAAACHHH SOOOO VERY FAAAAAARR! If you want to read a boilerplate article with nothing personal from the author let me direct you to the rest of the fucking internet.

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Say what you will, but Phil Fish should learn to talk and relate information properly. He acts like a '' i'm too cool for school '' loudmouth. Especially the '' I take the money and I run '' phrase. Probably not the most sympathetic way of bailing out.. Pretty normal for him to be treated as such, I say. As for Beer, he's an asshole too.

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@patrickklepek: Your ability to emphasize with Fish and add humanity to news articles is why we love you so much. Thank you.

Fish has always seemed very sensitive. I really do think he's done with Fez. At least for a while. I think what's going to happen is that he'll fall off the map for a while and once he calms down and finds peace of mind he'll start a new project.

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the kanye west of game devs

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@homelessbird said:

@myslead: In what sense?

I believe he meant in the sense of being an overly sensitive, socially awkward savant. Not sure I totally agree with the assessment, but there it is.

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Fish is a marketing genius?

Comments like this kept his game in the public eye for years despite delays and lack of information. He gets sales from people who worship him, sales from people who hate him but want the credibility of having played his game on "their profile", and sales from the people who like his game.

When it comes to the press and developers I feel it's less about "symbiosis between" and more about "circles of". Problem for me is I'm having a hard time telling who is being "real" and who is being "in on an inside joke" anymore. At this point I'm gonna with "I don't know".

What was the question again?

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Everything made sense as soon as I read he's a French Canadian.

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Really enjoy when Patrick writes this style of article. It's less "reporting" and more "hey guys, some stuff happened and we should talk about it because these aspects of it are kind of a big deal."

Hope to see more like it.

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Phil isn't the first game dev to give up due to internet hate. Jay Wilson and the Bioware "doctors" spring to mind.

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So true about not owing anyone anything. As raising a kid is a selfless act, my parents are the only people I feel beholden to. If what you are doing in your job/career is not up to snuff, you will go away on your own. You do not need someone to shout you down.

As far as having a thick skin on the internet, it IS required. As much flak as I have caught for having a strong opinion, as much hate that has went with it, and I have just learned recently how better to handle it. The thick skin comes from maturity and the security of knowing and liking who you are.

People need to keep things in perspective. What is a joke to some, others may not find so funny. I consider this site to be somewhat respective to gamers and developers. Yet I have seen some quick looks with some things said and awkward pauses that I found hilarious. I bet the developers of those games found it a smack in the face and did not see the humor in it. They worked hard to bring this thing to people to enjoy and they are mocked for it. Most though will be mature enough to handle it. Again, perspective.

Know your life, know your role, and go through life with confidence. The real tragedy here is that someone has changed their path in life because what some people say on the internet. I hope he finds himself and greets life once again with wonder and fascination.

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This is one of the best editorials I have ever read. Thank you Patrick, for everything.

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@danlongman said:

I do feel sorry for Phil, He is outspoken (but he is a Québécois so here in Canada we are used to them acting like him ;)

Bitching and complaining is part of our french heritage, man! That being said though, Phil Fish is something else entirely... Looking at his Twitter feed, you can almost picture him getting red in the face, pace around the room while cursing ("Maudit câlice de tabarnak!" if I had to guess), take a swig of a half-emptied bottle of scotch before throwing it at the wall and furiously typing on his phone will screaming at the top of his lungs...

Too thin-skinned, maybe. Certainly too emotional about all this... Meeting with a shrink once a week would probably be a good start.

Marcus Beer only has the credibility you want to grant him. He's a colourful character and I don't always like his stuff, but it's always good to have a dude like him around to stir-up the pot and go against the grain sometimes.

Oh, and good stuff, Scoops. I post stuff once every two years and get annoyed by assholes, I can't imagine how you deal with this on a daily basis...

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Leave it to Patrick Klepek to make this story about himself. Holy crap.