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The Guns of Navarro: Microsoft's One-Track Mind

Alex didn't hate Microsoft's Xbox One reveal, but even he is flabbergasted by the console maker's ill-conceived post-event messaging.

A few months ago, if you'd told me Microsoft would completely annihilate what positive momentum it had going into E3 with an awkward series of awkwardly contradictory PR messages, I wouldn't have thought it possible. Then, this past week happened, and suddenly I don't know what to think anymore.

Microsoft's unveiling event for the Xbox One wasn't necessarily all that terrible on its own merits. It's really the post-show messaging where everything fell apart.
Microsoft's unveiling event for the Xbox One wasn't necessarily all that terrible on its own merits. It's really the post-show messaging where everything fell apart.

Following Tuesday's unveiling of its new next-generation console, the Xbox One, a lot of people on the Internet are very upset at Microsoft. Not just in the typical ways one of the Internet typically gets upset when a corporate event meant to showcase new technology fails to yield the precise types of products and features that said person expects--nay, demands. Rather, the core gaming audience effectively revolted at the prospect of Microsoft's new machine, the games (or perceived lack thereof), and new media technologies Don Mattrick, Phil Harrison, and the rest of the console maker's revolving door of tie-less suits trumpeted for a solid hour this past week.

Nobody seems to have expected this kind of vitriolic reaction. Some vitriol, sure, but outside of the mainstream press (who were ostensibly the target of this particular event), nobody seemed very happy about the Xbox One by the time Wednesday morning rolled around.

Granted, by the time the sun came up on Wednesday, nobody seemed entirely sure what Microsoft had even said about its new system. The core messages were relatively clear--the box is powerful, Kinect is better (and now required), it can do live television, and it will have Call of Duty, because of course it will--but the lingering questions that have been plaguing Microsoft's non-messaging for the last few months were still lingering. If anything, they became increasingly mucked up as time went along. The question as to how the system might handle used games turned into an outright debacle as mixed messages came from various interviews at the event ("There could be a fee involved!") and Microsoft's own support staff ("There are no fees involved!"). On the always-online subject, Phil Harrison suggested it would require a check-in with an Internet connection every 24 hours. Now, Microsoft PR is just citing that as a "possible scenario." In the few instances where clear answers were given, they weren't often what the dedicated gaming audience wanted to hear.

For a company that has spent an abnormally long amount of time waiting to show the world its new hardware, Microsoft's post-event chatter seemed confused, addled, and utterly unsure of its own messaging. That's sort of bizarre when you consider what a targeted attack the event itself was. Some of the anger toward Microsoft's event is genuinely unwarranted, specifically because the company had been quite up-front about the fact that this conference was for a broader, mainstream audience. The event the core audience was hoping for, the one with lots of games and less talk about ancillary things like TV signals and NFL partnerships, would be coming at E3. It said this several times, in fact, so if you were one of those people screaming "BUT WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!?" at your screen, you likely did this for naught. Based on Microsoft's own words, we should expect to see quite a few games at E3. Whether they'll be any good or not, we obviously don't know, but proclaiming that Microsoft has instantly abandoned providing interesting games for the audience that helped buoy the Xbox brand for more than a decade seems, at best, premature.

Of course, Microsoft did itself no favors by not offering up any minor concessions to the core audience this week. Microsoft's messaging was hyperfocused on the Xbox One as an all-purpose entertainment center, and with only an hour to cram in what it could, it chose to stick to the easy targets. When it did talk about games, it talked about a Call of Duty sequel and a bunch of EA Sports games. Forza Motorsport 5 was Microsoft's only big franchise to make an appearance--unless, of course, you count Steven Spielberg's vaguely interested-sounding announcement of the Halo live-action series he's stamping his name on. The Remedy reveal presumably would have been Microsoft's offering to satiate the core gaming masses, but the trailer shown was so opaque, confusing, and downright nonsensical that nobody seemed to get any kind of impression out of it whatsoever.

Any time Remedy makes a new game, it's a cause for excitement. But MAN did that trailer for Quantum Break do absolutely nothing for me.
Any time Remedy makes a new game, it's a cause for excitement. But MAN did that trailer for Quantum Break do absolutely nothing for me.

But again, with only an hour to broadcast a message aimed at an audience with an incredibly diverse array of needs, interests, and financial capabilities, Microsoft's conference wasn't really a disaster. It was focused, moved from bullet point to bullet point with relative ease, and the personalities on stage (such as they were) managed to avoid doing anything too hilariously blundering. Really, the problem is what came after. No one at Microsoft should have been surprised that questions from the press members in attendance skewed toward the many, many rumors that had surfaced in the last few months. Since Sony announced the PlayStation 4 in February, all we've talked about is how Microsoft might counter that unveiling. As we waited and waited for Microsoft to finally show its hand, dozens of writers have written lengthy missives about the most hot-button rumors over and over and over again. You couldn't have telegraphed what press members were going to ask harder if you'd actually sent Microsoft a goddamn telegraph with all the questions on it.

The total lack of coherent messaging from Microsoft on oft-talked about topics like always online and the used games market is really the most insulting thing about last week's whole debacle. I can accept an hour-long press conference that is decidedly not for me, but when you offer the press hours upon hours to talk to executives, try out the device, and basically just mill about talking about what they've seen, I don't understand how you don't spend the entire few weeks prior drilling exact messaging into the heads of anyone who might even think about talking to press. Even if the answers aren't what we want to hear, you deflect. You say that information is forthcoming. And eventually, Microsoft did, albeit after many of the less-pleasing rumors were essentially confirmed by people like Phil Harrison, before becoming decidedly less confirmed later that same day by people like Phil Harrison.

Some of that vagueness likely stems from Microsoft not being entirely ready with all its different service plans. It likely has solid ideas of how it expects to handle things like used games, online checks, and whatever else. But those things could very easily diverge from their current road map sometime between now and the holiday season, and to promise one thing, and then end up doing another, never goes over very well.

Except, that's sort of what happened anyway. With messaging unclear and executives either going off the reservation or just talking nonsense (or both), then being quietly "corrected" by PR later on, it presents an image of a company disorganized; fractured, even. Whether or not you believe the "six months behind" rumors as they've been presented in recent weeks, you have to admit that such disorganization seems fitting with that scenario.

As bad as Microsoft's messaging was, it was especially fatal given the overall tone and tenor of the event--one of absolute, unflappable confidence. Again, as much as you might not have liked the content of the Microsoft presentation, its laserlike focus on the features it believed were most important to the mainstream audience felt consistent with a company that acted like it had nothing to prove. Even Don Mattrick, who has often presented a stiffer, less slick stage presence to previously over-groomed executives like J Allard, seemed completely in his element. Microsoft was talking like a company that felt it had all the momentum going into E3, and foresaw no scenario in which that would change, thanks to its various new innovations.

Sony's unveiling of the PlayStation 4 felt much more like that of a company that knew it had some work to do to to satisfy its audience. By comparison, Microsoft's seemed all but sure you'd just be satisfied with whatever was shown.
Sony's unveiling of the PlayStation 4 felt much more like that of a company that knew it had some work to do to to satisfy its audience. By comparison, Microsoft's seemed all but sure you'd just be satisfied with whatever was shown.

In fact, it most immediately reminded me of the tone struck by Sony during its PlayStation 3 roll-out. That's a comparison others have made before, but this week really solidified it for me. Sony, after having led for two solid console generations, built the PlayStation 3 largely around the notion that developers, publishers, and players alike would flock to their new system simply because it had the word PlayStation branded on it, and that it was super-duper powerful. While the PlayStation 3 was by no means the total incompetent disaster some make it out to be (in worldwide sales, it's practically neck-and-neck with the 360 at this point), Sony did spend a good chunk of this generation staring up at both Microsoft and Nintendo, a position it was hardly accustomed to as the primary leader for the two generations prior.

Perhaps as a result, Sony's PlayStation 4 press event was anything but preening in tone. Practically from the word go, Sony essentially admitted that the PlayStation 3 had problems, and that the PlayStation 4 was very much about addressing those problems. They spoke of an easy-to-develop for system architecture (a far cry from the clusterfuck that was the Cell processor), touted support from numerous developers and publishers ranging from Square Enix on down to indie stalwart Jonathan Blow, showed a few actual game demos, and basically presented a console that was all about making the PlayStation brand better than what it had been. Compared with Microsoft's presentation, Sony's conference was practically an act of contrition.

Microsoft, on the other hand, seemed either unaware, or uninterested in the problems of the 360 era. Granted, the Xbox 360 didn't have the same developmental challenges that Sony did, but areas like Xbox Live Arcade (which is effectively being discontinued), the company's disinterest in allowing indies to self-publish (nothing is changing there, apparently), and system breakage (it's not like the red ring of death disappeared all that long ago) were mostly ignored. Instead of those problems, Microsoft (barely) addressed new problems, like the used games market, and backward compatibility.

It also did this with the absolute minimum display of sympathy or understanding for the consumer. The company keeps saying it has a "plan" for used games, though if it's anything like the one MCV details in this report, there is the distinct possibility that retailers may simply give up on used sales as a viable revenue stream. The merits of what Microsoft will/won't do to the used market is a whole other topic for another day, but even if Microsoft did have a decent, consumer-friendly solution to negate the losses suffered by game makers at the hands of used game retailers, they'd have a hell of a time convincing anyone at this point.

And backward compatibility? Microsoft just says no, because the architecture is different, and therefore that would be too hard to pull off. Mattrick's "If you're backward compatible, you're really backward" comment is one of those things that probably sounded really clever and funny in his head, though comes off as incredibly dismissive when spoken aloud. Never mind that the 360 is a system that is perhaps known best for its ability to self-destruct on a whim, which puts a lot of people with extensive 360 libraries in a precarious position going forward.

Consensus seems to be that retailers of used games will be the ones suffering more at the hands of Microsoft's used games policy, rather than consumers. Still, will there even be a used market if GameStop can't get its customary 100% of the sale?
Consensus seems to be that retailers of used games will be the ones suffering more at the hands of Microsoft's used games policy, rather than consumers. Still, will there even be a used market if GameStop can't get its customary 100% of the sale?

By not having solid answers to questions people have been asking publicly for months, Microsoft has painted themselves into a strange, unfortunate corner. Again, I have no problem with the basic content of what Microsoft showed. As Wired's Chris Kohler smartly noted this week, game consoles are in a terrible position right now, and the entire market is exceedingly uncertain. Microsoft's appeal to the casual player who wants an all-purpose entertainment device for the future isn't some grand betrayal, but more likely a savvy play by a company trying to weather an inevitable storm. The problem is, it failed to present that information to its dedicated audience in a way that made them feel like they were even part of the equation.

Now, short of a strong showing of awesome games at E3 turning public opinion around, Microsoft will have to spend the summer explaining to its audience why its console isn't the soul-sucking, anti-consumer machine it's suddenly being made out to be (which it may very well be, in fact, but we just can't be certain yet). For my part, I'm still reasonably hopeful that the games will deliver, and that both the PS4 and Xbox One will be machines worth getting excited about. The race just seems a hell of a lot closer now than I expected it would be back in February.

What a difference a few months makes.

--A

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Am I alone in hoping that Rare's Xbox One game is a Kameo sequel?

I got the 360 at launch and while it wasn't amazing, I remember really enjoying Kameo and I'd love to see what Rare could do with it now.

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@doctorwelch said:

I find this entire negative reaction as a great example of how truly immature and irrational most of the vocal portion of the internet. The machines and the games aren't coming out for another 6 months and everyone is passing insane judgments about something they know almost nothing about simply because they didn't see the games that are going to be shown in about two weeks.

Microsoft has some interesting and ambitious ideas about what they can do with the new console, and I think it would actually be pretty sweet if they delivered on all the stuff they promised. Even if all the kinect, TV, and multitasking stuff doesn't work it has almost no effect on the games. The games are going to be made whether its for the Sony console, Microsoft console, Nintendo console, or the PC. Why not just sit back and see what happens. There's no need to freak out about something you know very little about. It's interesting, and even if it isn't exactly what you want, who cares. Stop crying about it and just wait to see what happens.

Maybe the Xbox One will be the worst travesty ever to happen to the gaming industry, but maybe it will be this awesome console that delivers on most of what it tried to promise. The fact is no one truly knows. So why spend so much time bitching, worrying, and freaking out. Just calm down, and play the good games where they fall.

Great post. This whole week has put me off from giantbomb and other gaming communities because they are filled with so many immature children. This whole "that's it, buying a ps4" thing is a joke. We know next to nothing about the system(s). People must have amazing lives in order to have the time/desire to bitch about this stuff.

People who play games are under no obligation to wait to pass judgment on the Xbox. We aren't journalists. If I want this reveal to color my impression of the Xbox One so much that I don't buy one, that's my prerogative. Frankly, I don't give a damn what people think about the negative reaction. As a consumer, its not my job to be objective. If Microsoft has lost a lot of people as a result of this reveal, well, tough luck.

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@osaladin: Yeah, but bitching about bitching about bitching on the internet is still fresh enough not to be that annoying. Well, yet.

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Lovely write up, hey guys we should be more comprehensive with MS they definitely not a greedy company, they just want us to have fun with their amazing products. They just don't know how to let us know that.

don't be meanies.

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I think the only thing more tiresome than bitching on the internet is bitching about bitching on the internet.

That is especially true when the complainant, in lieu of an actual reasoned argument, throws out the "immature," "irrational," "typical whiny internet poster" ad hominems as if that proved their nebulous point about displeasure on the internet being almost surely the domain of ignorant man-children that know not of which they speak.

But now you're bitching about the people bitching about the people bitching on the internet.

Also, I agree with you.

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@doctorwelch said:

I find this entire negative reaction as a great example of how truly immature and irrational most of the vocal portion of the internet. The machines and the games aren't coming out for another 6 months and everyone is passing insane judgments about something they know almost nothing about simply because they didn't see the games that are going to be shown in about two weeks.

Microsoft has some interesting and ambitious ideas about what they can do with the new console, and I think it would actually be pretty sweet if they delivered on all the stuff they promised. Even if all the kinect, TV, and multitasking stuff doesn't work it has almost no effect on the games. The games are going to be made whether its for the Sony console, Microsoft console, Nintendo console, or the PC. Why not just sit back and see what happens. There's no need to freak out about something you know very little about. It's interesting, and even if it isn't exactly what you want, who cares. Stop crying about it and just wait to see what happens.

Maybe the Xbox One will be the worst travesty ever to happen to the gaming industry, but maybe it will be this awesome console that delivers on most of what it tried to promise. The fact is no one truly knows. So why spend so much time bitching, worrying, and freaking out. Just calm down, and play the good games where they fall.

Great post. This whole week has put me off from giantbomb and other gaming communities because they are filled with so many immature children. This whole "that's it, buying a ps4" thing is a joke. We know next to nothing about the system(s). People must have amazing lives in order to have the time/desire to bitch about this stuff.

I also find this to be a good post. Too bad NeoGAF, Reddit and /v/ don't care about rationality.

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I think the only thing more tiresome than bitching on the internet is bitching about bitching on the internet.

That is especially true when the complainant, in lieu of an actual reasoned argument, throws out the "immature," "irrational," "typical whiny internet poster" ad hominems as if that proved their nebulous point about displeasure on the internet being almost surely the domain of ignorant man-children that know not of which they speak.

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It's completely reasonable to be upset with the Xbone reveal. By focusing on live TV and other shit nobody under the age of forty cares about, and saying they'll focus on games at a later event, they're effectively sending a message that video games and the people who care about them come second. This behavior falls directly in line with Microsoft's behavior over the last few years where they had jack shit in terms of exclusive games, letting Sony make all kinds of deals with companies to get exclusive content and instead focusing on things like a fucking pizza app.

This isn't people upset with the first time Microsoft has screwed up, this is people who were already fed up with Microsoft and were hoping for them to make some changes with this new system, only for Microsoft to not change at all.

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I find this entire negative reaction as a great example of how truly immature and irrational most of the vocal portion of the internet. The machines and the games aren't coming out for another 6 months and everyone is passing insane judgments about something they know almost nothing about simply because they didn't see the games that are going to be shown in about two weeks.

Microsoft has some interesting and ambitious ideas about what they can do with the new console, and I think it would actually be pretty sweet if they delivered on all the stuff they promised. Even if all the kinect, TV, and multitasking stuff doesn't work it has almost no effect on the games. The games are going to be made whether its for the Sony console, Microsoft console, Nintendo console, or the PC. Why not just sit back and see what happens. There's no need to freak out about something you know very little about. It's interesting, and even if it isn't exactly what you want, who cares. Stop crying about it and just wait to see what happens.

Maybe the Xbox One will be the worst travesty ever to happen to the gaming industry, but maybe it will be this awesome console that delivers on most of what it tried to promise. The fact is no one truly knows. So why spend so much time bitching, worrying, and freaking out. Just calm down, and play the good games where they fall.

Great post. This whole week has put me off from giantbomb and other gaming communities because they are filled with so many immature children. This whole "that's it, buying a ps4" thing is a joke. We know next to nothing about the system(s). People must have amazing lives in order to have the time/desire to bitch about this stuff.

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Seeing how Microsoft lost me to Sony midway through the current generation, and hasn't - as opposed to Sony - made any visible efforts to win me back, all the Xbox One reveal did, is to dock even more points off its total score on my personal scoresheet.

Playstation 4 is so far ahead purchase priority wise, I can' fathom the game that would make me change my mind at this point. Ontop of that, if it's really true that the Xbox One is the less capable box in regards to running games (all signs point to it), it'd be akin to devine intervention if Microsoft actually came up with the winning bid after all is said and done.

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... there isn't enough popcorn in the world for me right now.

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@fustacluck: It's not seeing something differently but interpreting it in your own way. I haven't rewatched the Sony conference since it aired a few months ago but the only game demo I remember was of that PS4 exclusive about the robot thing and I don't recall that being a live onstage demo. What I got out of the Microsoft conference was as follows: what the system will look like, what the new dashboard looks like and how it functions, new dashboard multi tasking functionality, the new Kinect and the many ways they've (hopefully) improved it, and a brief glimpse at the DVR function which will apparently let you record all gameplay. Some of those things might have not interested you but they were there. The same way you did not care for Call of Duty, I could not care less about that PS4 exclusive about the ogre/robot or the new inFamous game. I'm not saying those are bad games, or that the conference was worse - in fact I agree it was better than Microsofts - I just think different people are looking for different things.

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@fustacluck said:

Wow, seems a lot of people saw a different Sony meeting than I did.

I saw demonstrations of PS4 games being demonstrated in realtime, both on PS4 and PS Vita by way of remote play. I saw a demonstration and an explanation of the share button. I saw tech demos. I saw an explanation of the many ways that GaiKai would be used on the system. I saw a trickle of some system specs that actually make sense to customers (not just the likes of "15 billion transistors" and "rocket science stuff" that mean nothing). That's all off the top of my head.

I saw none of this in the Microsoft reveal, only seeing demonstrations of the TV functionality that I can't have (at the time of the meeting Microsoft hadn't even approached the main content provider in my country, Sky, as they reported in the following days), using the Kinect system that I don't want, and apps that Microsoft don't make available to me. It ended with video of cut scenes from a game that I was last interested in at its fourth iteration and was followed by truths that they then had to lie about, or lies that they then had to backpedal on.

I just wanted to chime in and say I agree - not sure what's happening with some of the other posters here, but I saw what you saw.

Not that I expect Gaikai to work in any way (especially here in Australia) or for Sony to not have considered a similar DRM strategy as Microsoft - but in both cases, I don't believe the opposite either. I'm not going to say GaiKai will never work here, nor am I going to pre-damn Sony for something Microsoft is doing but Sony has given little indication of.

E3 is going to be a huge deciding factor - but so far, the messaging of both companies has been plainly obvious and hugely divergent. In terms of that, I like what Sony has done, and hate what MS has done.

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@humanity said:

@hailinel said:

@fiberpay said:

@hailinel: So they showed one PS4 game at the PS4 reveal and told us none of their services........wow another home run Sony.

Actually I would rather know a little bit about the services than just have Sony say "ummm yea we got used games". Thanks Sony that tells me alot. I'm on board with the PS4 so much information!!!

Allow me to reiterate again, using simple sentences and small words:

Sony did not state many specifics, but neither did they misinform the press and public with contradictory statements. They have left the press and public wondering what they will reveal at E3.

Microsoft did not state many specifics, but when pressed, gave multiple contradictory answers regarding key points people had been wondering about for months, resulting in confusion and anger.

I'm sorry. Some of those words may have been too large for you. Regardless, I'm done here. Talk to you later.

No information can arguably be just as bad as misleading information as it just leads to rumor and speculation. I thought both reveals were alright with individual strengths and weaknesses. The big difference was that Sony made a lot of big claims without getting into details about how those would actually work in practice, which while just as unclear, had everyone came away from the conference with a cautiously optimistic outlook. We still don't know pretty much anything about either console apart from some lofty buzzwords and promises that may or may not hold water later down the year. So while I don't really want to side with this specific poster all that much I will agree that these are slightly exaggerated editorials if you wish to call them that, as both companies have the better part of the next 6 months to clear up any miscommunication with their potential future consumers. All of this, the drama, inane talks about boycotting the console and so forth will be forgotten once these things actually hit the stores and you can read very clear bullet point features and systems specs on every major media outlet.

As a complete side note I enjoyed Alex's write-up which was surprisingly almost completely devoid of snark or bite, and instead packed with calm and retrospective discourse. In stark contrast I didn't really like Patricks article as much as I thought he was a bit too emotional and reminiscent of what I've been reading on forums all over the internet, which struck me as disappointing considering he's been in the industry long enough to know better.

Wow, seems a lot of people saw a different Sony meeting than I did.

I saw demonstrations of PS4 games being demonstrated in realtime, both on PS4 and PS Vita by way of remote play. I saw a demonstration and an explanation of the share button. I saw tech demos. I saw an explanation of the many ways that GaiKai would be used on the system. I saw a trickle of some system specs that actually make sense to customers (not just the likes of "15 billion transistors" and "rocket science stuff" that mean nothing). That's all off the top of my head.

I saw none of this in the Microsoft reveal, only seeing demonstrations of the TV functionality that I can't have (at the time of the meeting Microsoft hadn't even approached the main content provider in my country, Sky, as they reported in the following days), using the Kinect system that I don't want, and apps that Microsoft don't make available to me. It ended with video of cut scenes from a game that I was last interested in at its fourth iteration and was followed by truths that they then had to lie about, or lies that they then had to backpedal on.

All in all, I'm not angry about the MS reveal, just disappointed that after 8 years of throwing thousands at MS I'm moving back to Sony. I know some will say that I've made my mind up prematurely, but have seen that as a gamer I'm a low priority to MS, as I have been over the last couple of years, and expect them to treat me as such. The supposed 15 exclusives that are coming over the next 12 months (and I'm guessing that at least a few are Kinect titles) would have to be eyeball-meltingly good to change my mind.

And that people-watching-and-counting patent scares the fuck out of me.

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Great article Alex and I think you are spot on with the problem with the conference, the lack of clear answers from the post interviews. Rumors about Microsoft's stance on used games and the need for an internet connection have been around for months, why then were the executives unprepared to give precise answers to these topics is puzzling.

Overall the whole conference felt like a wash and a poor way to unveil what probably is a cool piece of technology. I think the real issue was time, it's only less than 3 weeks from E3 so there never was going to be big game reveals and what was left to showcase was I perceive to be secondary features only there to complement the primary purpose for spending ~$300-$400.

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@thrice_604: It was prime time in EU and announcing stuff at 10 pst in the US is for the mainstream media cycle. It isn't about who actually "watches" the event, its about the coverage that follows; several hours of a talking head saying "new Microsoft XBOX" on the news, plenty of time for websites to have articles, and time enough for newspapers to write up stories for the next day.

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This is about as good a commentary on the X-Bone that we're going to read until more information comes out. Good job.

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@hailinel said:

@fiberpay said:

@hailinel: So they showed one PS4 game at the PS4 reveal and told us none of their services........wow another home run Sony.

Actually I would rather know a little bit about the services than just have Sony say "ummm yea we got used games". Thanks Sony that tells me alot. I'm on board with the PS4 so much information!!!

Allow me to reiterate again, using simple sentences and small words:

Sony did not state many specifics, but neither did they misinform the press and public with contradictory statements. They have left the press and public wondering what they will reveal at E3.

Microsoft did not state many specifics, but when pressed, gave multiple contradictory answers regarding key points people had been wondering about for months, resulting in confusion and anger.

I'm sorry. Some of those words may have been too large for you. Regardless, I'm done here. Talk to you later.

No information can arguably be just as bad as misleading information as it just leads to rumor and speculation. I thought both reveals were alright with individual strengths and weaknesses. The big difference was that Sony made a lot of big claims without getting into details about how those would actually work in practice, which while just as unclear, had everyone came away from the conference with a cautiously optimistic outlook. We still don't know pretty much anything about either console apart from some lofty buzzwords and promises that may or may not hold water later down the year. So while I don't really want to side with this specific poster all that much I will agree that these are slightly exaggerated editorials if you wish to call them that, as both companies have the better part of the next 6 months to clear up any miscommunication with their potential future consumers. All of this, the drama, inane talks about boycotting the console and so forth will be forgotten once these things actually hit the stores and you can read very clear bullet point features and systems specs on every major media outlet.

As a complete side note I enjoyed Alex's write-up which was surprisingly almost completely devoid of snark or bite, and instead packed with calm and retrospective discourse. In stark contrast I didn't really like Patricks article as much as I thought he was a bit too emotional and reminiscent of what I've been reading on forums all over the internet, which struck me as disappointing considering he's been in the industry long enough to know better.

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I've got an even better question who's to say GameStop will even carry xbox one systems or games at all if Microsoft really is trying to take 90% of their profits ? Retail would be well within their rights to tell microsoft to go fuck it's self and figure out how they are going to sell anything to the masses without any support from them.

Because I'll bet that the "used game solution" that MS have been alluding to will be of some benefit to Gamestop and other retailers (I'm gonna guess that it involves the purchase of codes from MS, that then get a huge mark up on the value of the code and the fiver they give the sucker in exchange for the disc). The lack of comment from retailers over this issue says a lot. MS know that they need retailers if only to sell the machines. That's why the system as described, then back-pedalled, only really attacks the customer.

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Some of the anger toward Microsoft's event is genuinely unwarranted, specifically because the company had been quite up-front about the fact that this conference was for a broader, mainstream audience. The event the core audience was hoping for, the one with lots of games and less talk about ancillary things like TV signals and NFL partnerships, would be coming at E3. It said this several times, in fact, so if you were one of those people screaming "BUT WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!?" at your screen, you likely did this for naught.

A lot of the post-event commentary by games journalists has been along the lines of "Well, we knew all along that this wouldn't be about the games", but if that's so then games journalists kept this a better secret than Microsoft did with the name of the machine. A quick look through Giant Bomb's news will tell anyone that this wasn't reported, and I don't remember anyone else reporting it, even Larry Hryb, so I can't help feeling betrayed that these same journalists are now blaming us for feeling that it was going to be anything but a US-centric TV showcase. If the company had been up front about this, as you say, then why was every games journalist on Earth excited to see this show, speculating on all kinds of game-related reveals, GB included? And, afterwards, why did those same journalists look like Microsoft had kicked their dogs? There was not one post-event show that didn't highlight the disappointment that it took 35 mins into an hour presentation before they got onto games, and then the ten minutes used to cover that, without any gameplay shown. How did they, and your site, feel that way if that was what was expected?

What was shown at the reveal should have been shown at something more appropriate like CES. It was a showcase only meant to attract electronics consumers in the USA, so putting it on XBox Live globally was completely the wrong arena that could only breed disappointment and anger.

Also, after the furore that was kicked up over the fake game trailers used in the PS3 reveal, how has the use of CG trailers, presented as gameplay, been accepted so easily for the XBox One reveal?

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I've got an even better question who's to say GameStop will even carry xbox one systems or games at all if Microsoft really is trying to take 90% of their profits ? Retail would be well within their rights to tell microsoft to go fuck it's self and figure out how they are going to sell anything to the masses without any support from them.

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@doctorwelch: People have strong reactions because, contrary to how it may look, they care. And some maybe more than they should, but even so. It's coming from a place of passion. However, the main problem isn't so much that people overreact as Microsoft hasn't done much to put out it's own fires effectively. It has a sense of swagger about itself that reeks "oh internet", and while I am sure a lot of the whining fanboys/girls will eventually end up with a console or two, this is actually the first time in all the console switches to my memory that I am finding a lot more negativity in regards to a coming generation from both core users as casual ones in my surrounding. People feel much more reserved, skeptical and disinterested. There is not that much wonder and curiosity as there used to be. But maybe that's me and my generation getting older.

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@naeblis213 said:

After watching both presentations, I felt like Sony's PS4 conference gave me an understanding of what I'd be getting with their console, for better or for worse. After Microsoft's, I felt like I got nothing new from it at all.

That's the thought I had yesterday going back to watch the PS4 reveal.

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I have the answer to all of your questions:

Smartglass.

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What's odd to me is that allegedly this reveal was pushed back a month. You'd think they would use that time to get their story straight.

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@fiberpay: We all know that GB could very well run multiple articles on every little rumour and event, but they don't.

You're off base here.

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Been waiting on this article. You summed it up well, Alex.

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So Microsoft will be Microsoft, after all.

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I find this entire negative reaction as a great example of how truly immature and irrational most of the vocal portion of the internet is. The machines and the games aren't coming out for another 6 months and everyone is passing insane judgments about something they know almost nothing about simply because they didn't see the games that are going to be shown in about two weeks.

Microsoft has some interesting and ambitious ideas about what they can do with the new console, and I think it would actually be pretty sweet if they delivered on all the stuff they promised. Even if all the kinect, TV, and multitasking stuff doesn't work it has almost no effect on the games. The games are going to be made whether its for the Sony console, Microsoft console, Nintendo console, or the PC. Why not just sit back and see what happens. There's no need to freak out about something you know very little about. It's interesting, and even if it isn't exactly what you want, who cares. Stop crying about it and just wait to see what happens.

Maybe the Xbox One will be the worst travesty ever to happen to the gaming industry, but maybe it will be this awesome console that delivers on most of what it tried to promise. The fact is no one truly knows. So why spend so much time bitching, worrying, and freaking out. Just calm down, and play the good games where they fall.

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@jimmyfenix: I know right! Like whats he going to say to that!

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Who cares about all this crap? If Microsoft does not give you the answers you are looking for then don't buy their product. Its that simple. What is complaining about it going to do? I never understand why people complain about stuff that Microsoft and EA do. Don't give them your money if you don't like it! Big corporations like Microsoft and EA do not care about what people think, that's why they do what they do and yapping about it is not going to change anything. Hit them in the pocket book and then you will start to see a different response

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@fiberpay said:

@hailinel: Whats the matter get showed wrong and you run away lol. pftt what a loser.

OMG DOOD SICK BURN

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@hailinel: So they showed one PS4 game at the PS4 reveal and told us none of their services........wow another home run Sony.

Actually I would rather know a little bit about the services than just have Sony say "ummm yea we got used games". Thanks Sony that tells me alot. I'm on board with the PS4 so much information!!!

Allow me to reiterate again, using simple sentences and small words:

Sony did not state many specifics, but neither did they misinform the press and public with contradictory statements. They have left the press and public wondering what they will reveal at E3.

Microsoft did not state many specifics, but when pressed, gave multiple contradictory answers regarding key points people had been wondering about for months, resulting in confusion and anger.

I'm sorry. Some of those words may have been too large for you. Regardless, I'm done here. Talk to you later.

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@hailinel: So they showed one PS4 game at the PS4 reveal and told us none of their services........wow another home run Sony.

Actually I would rather know a little bit about the services than just have Sony say "ummm yea we got used games". Thanks Sony that tells me alot. I'm on board with the PS4 so much information!!!

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Now who's putting their fingers in their ears and saying blah blah blah. Sony showed nothing but games that are coming out on existing consoles and told us nothing about their system services.

I don't remember all of the games they showed at the Sony event, but I do know that Infamous: Second Son is a PS4 game. (Were you paying attention?) And while Sony didn't say much regarding system services, they also didn't constantly throw conflicting answers at the press. It's better to say "No comment" or "Wait until E3" than to say something inaccurate if you honestly don't know what the answer is.

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http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/20/4347614/microsoft-reveals-its-two-part-console-reveal-for-the-next-xbox

I think Microsoft was trying to address everyone in this first conference. "It's a lot of laying the foundation, and then just a couple weeks later we go to E3, and E3 is all about the games. It's going to be tons of exclusives [and] world premieres." It's a different approach to how Sony chose to divide up its presentations. As far as the actual presentation itself, I think they did exactly what they said they would. They showed the physical console, the controller, and the new Kinect. They showed the UI and some usage scenarios, they showed some TV stuff, they showed some games. You can't go into this type of press conference expecting questions to all your answers, especially this far out from release when things are in fluctuation. You're certainly not going to hear anyone talk about something potentially controversial, like used game restrictions, online requirements, or what features will require an Xbox Live subscription, unless they know that they have good news ("Hey everyone, Xbox Live is now free!" for example.)

All in all I think the presentation itself was fine, if not a little predictable. It's the stuff that surrounded it that really undermined the whole thing. I bet Microsoft was really happy that they could show the actual hardware where Sony could not, but nobody on the Internet cares in comparison to everything else going on.

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Now who's putting their fingers in their ears and saying blah blah blah. Sony showed nothing but games that are coming out on existing consoles and told us nothing about their system services.

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@hailinel: You said everything that I wanted to say and in a better format.

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The only thing the Xbox One reveal and Microsoft's subsequent handling of the press has accomplished is make me decide to switch to Playstation this generation.

It is totally possible that the Xbox One is fine. But we don't know, because they've done such a poor job of managing their information. I'd rather just not bother than be unpleasantly surprised later on.

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@hailinel: Actually it is quite questionable. It was a good performance if you ask me. They showed what the box could do for the casual audience and announced a bunch of games to be shown at E3. That's better than Sony saying jack shit about their services.

At this point, you're doing the equivalent of putting fingers in your ears and singing the Star-Spangled Banner at the top of your lungs. How do you explain Microsoft's responses to basic questions like online requirements or requirements to play a used game? Microsoft representatives have made multiple completely contradictory statements on both in the past week. Further, the press conference itself boiled down to three things:

  1. TV
  2. Sports
  3. Call of Duty

Yes, I'm sure that all three of those points are relevant to someone, but the press invited to the event do not, by and large, cater to the casual dudebro crowd of Madden/Call of Duty players that will play both of those games regardless of what anyone in the press says about them. They are not the sort that are easily charmed by the technological wizardry of putting a dog in a motion-capture suit. Of the technical specs of the console itself, Microsoft has said very little that's actually meaningful. Saying that it has five billion transistors may be a statistical fact but is otherwise completely meaningless. Further, while it has Kintect in every box and the Kinect hardware is now apparently a developer requirement, their stage demo did nothing to actually indicate how much better the hardware is. Those hand gestures and voice commands on stage? Those could all have been easily part of some choreographed demo with someone pushing buttons behind a curtain. And it does nothing to solve the basic fact that a lot of people either don't want to have Kinect forced upon them, or don't have a living environment that's suitable for it.

And you're saying Sony talked jack shit about their services? Let me reiterate; despite repeated questioning, there is still no clear answer to the basic question of what the Xbox One's online requirements are or if I can even let a friend borrow my game disc without his having to pay out of pocket for the ability to play it on his own console and account.

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Man looking at your post history it seems like you just come to this site to defend the new Xbox? Mattrick.... is that you?

heh. Don't even joke about that. Mattrick is far more courteous and reasonable.

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You make some very good points in this article Alex but I want to argue about one of them. Saying the conference was for the mainstream (whatever that is) makes no sense when the reveal was at 10 in the morning which is a time when nobody outside of those interested in the game industry would be paying attention. The whole thing struck me as MS not knowing who their audience is and trying to push against trends that consumers have already established. As consumers we have decided we like to look at our phone or tablet when watching something in the background, but MS seems to think we want to shrink the size of the main thing on the TV so we can multitask on there. Who asked for this? (except MS of course)

this definitely ... because we are the ones who tuned in to se this clusterfuck ... and please the show itself with all the bullshit pr words cant be good in anyway.

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The lack of games at the reveal wasn't the turn-off for me as I don't particularly enjoy Microsoft Game Studio's homegrown games. Much more off-putting, from both the reveal and the statements afterwards, was the fact that MS seems to want to sell me all of the disadvantages of an online console and a digital library, wrapped up in a lot of gimmicky functionality built around a pastime that I don't indulge in, while showing no real forward movement as a games platform.

I am also deeply unconvinced by "the potential of the cloud." Their plans for distributed computing in a gaming context seem completely unfeasible in the near future (the WSJ article's suggestion that the cloud could render environments while the console focuses on characters is a total nonsense, for example) so it seems very much like marketing fluff designed to counter reports of the Playstation's power advantage.

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@hailinel: Actually it is quite questionable. It was a good performance if you ask me. They showed what the box could do for the casual audience and announced a bunch of games to be shown at E3. That's better than Sony saying jack shit about their services.

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@quarters said:

The amount of misinformation and just pure confusion on the part of Microsoft over this is just absolutely baffling. They have had months since the PS4 reveal, giving them the perfect opportunity to turn everything into a fine oiled machine, built for the purpose of countering Sony. Instead, it felt like they had just decided what was going on the day before, and everyone was still trying to remember the details. It was sloppy, and for no acceptable reason.

That was definitely the strangest thing. They had a complete advantage here to counter all the rumors and competition, but they gave a conference that was that seemed completely oblivious to everything that's happened these last few months.

I would almost say that they planned this event and their statements long before Sony's event, and decided to not change it at all (though they did delay the event, and one can only wonder for what reasons).