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    Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood

    Game » consists of 16 releases. Released Nov 16, 2010

    The third installment in the Assassin's Creed franchise, this game's story picks up right after the events of Assassin's Creed II, showing Ezio Auditore traveling to Rome to recruit a new force of assassins. Brotherhood is the first game in the series to offer online multiplayer.

    is ubisoft kidding?! this is an outrage!

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    #1  Edited By Devildoll

    So Ubisoft has released a demonstration that showcases intels current SSD's , and how they supposedly impact the gameplay of brotherhood .

    They also released a statement
    which i find really silly , i mean come on...

    Intel has been running some tests on their new Solid-State Drive 510 Series and they discovered some pretty awesome things when they loaded up Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood. Turns out, the performance boost from the solid-state drives actually got our horses to run faster in-game.

    are they trying to be funny?

    If you dont know what an ssd is , its basicly a storage device without any moving parts , making it able to access files at incredible speeds.

    Article from Tested about ssd's if you want to dig a bit deeper.

    What ubisoft is saying is that a regular harddrive cant stream the games assets fast enough for you to sprint with a horse ( something that is usually pretty granted in games of this kind ). If this is true ,

    and you truly need this for the game to be able to stream stuff fast enough , ubisoft has done a very poor job with this engine,

    and if its the other way , as in ubisoft and intel just doing a bs campaign , much like crytek did when stating that 64 bit processors ment games would look better. (farcry)

    its even worse than the first alternative.


    I personally think its kind of cool that they put this into the game at this late, cause im guessing they "put" it in there , i doubt the horses have realtime dynamic sprint speed depending on how fast your drives are. Its probably a binary sprint or no sprint situation. ( ssd or no ssd )

    I also think they should be able to fit alot of these things in the ram actually. So what do you guys think?

    why is it that every other game on the surface of the earth seems to be able to run fine on regular harddrives? I mean , there are games out there where you can move faster than in assassins creed brotherhood , whilst the enviroment is more detailed.

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    #2  Edited By benjaebe

    I'm confused as to what I'm seeing. The horse runs faster because the game can stream information faster? That makes sense to me.

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    #3  Edited By phish09

    I'm at a loss here...why is this an outrage?  They look basically the same to me. 

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    #4  Edited By ch13696

    This makes perfect sense to me. If you have some high-end equipment, why not take advantage of it? Damn, now I want a solid state drive.

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    #5  Edited By JJWeatherman

    I don't understand exactly what's going on here, but the horse in this game are awful in comparison to Red Dead. I was just playing yesterday. They're gigantic, and move unrealistically. Not a fan of the horses. Good thing the game's not about horses.


    So... SSDs?
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    #6  Edited By PeasantAbuse

    Is this real?  It seems way too lame to be real. 

     

    How is Assassins Creed on the PC anyway?  I can't imagine playing it with a keyboard.

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    #7  Edited By mfpantst

    honestly do not understand any of the points you or the video are trying to make.  Verbose much?

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    #8  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    Yeah...

    How dare they...
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    #9  Edited By ApertureSilence

    Ok, so obviously streaming the environment from an SSD is faster and smoother than from HDD. Great that Ubisoft is taking advantage of this.
    Seriously, what's the outrage about?

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    #10  Edited By ch13696
    @PeasantAbuse said:
    "

    Is this real?  It seems way too lame to be real. 

     

    How is Assassins Creed on the PC anyway?  I can't imagine playing it with a keyboard.

    "
    You don't have to. You can hook up an Xbox 360 controller.
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    #11  Edited By JasonR86
    @Devildoll:

    So they gallop faster.  You might save an hour of game time.  Why would we be outraged by this?  I get the slowing of the horse on the HDD seems arbitrary but I don't understand the technicality of the whole thing so maybe there was a reason why they did it.  But it looks like they essentially took the limit off the horse's speed and attributed the whole thing to Intel's technology.  It's probably a line of BS but I don't understand why that would be outrageous.
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    #12  Edited By mfpantst
    @JasonR86: I would venture a guess that if their point is with a SSD traversal by horse is faster, then what they are doing is using the increased data bandwith to stream textures faster so you don't run out of the high res area of the map.
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    #13  Edited By ApertureSilence
    @JasonR86 said:
    "But it looks like they essentially took the limit off the horse's speed and attributed the whole thing to Intel's technology.  It's probably a line of BS but I don't understand why that would be outrageous. "
    Not BS. It makes perfect sense because they are able to stream the environment faster and more efficiently.
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    #14  Edited By mesklinite

    SSD is the way of the future! They cost an arm and a leg though.
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    #15  Edited By AlexW00d

    All I can tell is that SSD footage is sped up and there was a bit of texture pop in half way through.

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    #16  Edited By Zimbo

    Yes.....outrageous. Seriously, who really cares if someone elses horse can run a bit faster. Also, its all just marketing for Intel anyway which isn't a big deal either.

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    #17  Edited By time allen
    @PeasantAbuse said:
    "

    Is this real?  It seems way too lame to be real. 

     

    How is Assassins Creed on the PC anyway?  I can't imagine playing it with a keyboard.

    "
    use a controller.
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    #18  Edited By awe_stuck

    i dont think the hdd horse is actually running... on the hybrid im just assumin it would be faster, but the horse isnt even gallopin in the hdd version. no one ever play ac for christs sake?

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    #19  Edited By Devildoll


    also , a regular harddrive is more than fast enough for every other game on this planet, think about consoles for example  ( im guessing they can run the horses at full speed )

    and yeah , the topic is a bit tabloidy

      @benjaebe:  @MurderByDeath:  if they mean that the enviroment wouldnt load in time for  a fast horse on a regular harddrive , then it could makes sense , but if they mean that the horse itself can run faster cause of the ssd , its total bullshit.
    and even if they are limiting the horse cause they cant make the enviroment load fast enough , they have done an incredibly  bad job at porting this to pc.
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    #20  Edited By JasonR86
    @MurderByDeath:
    @mfpantst:

    Well, I'm certainly not an expert in this area so I don't know if it is BS or not.  It seems like a line of BS to a outsider like me but it might not be.  Ultimately though I don't really care if the horse is faster or not.  It seems like a lame bullet point for Intel's technology.
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    #21  Edited By BonOrbitz
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    Well, not really. I do think the framerate on the SSD isn't as good as the HDD...
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    #22  Edited By Jimbo

    They're saying they had to make the horses slower than they would have liked originally, because they couldn't stream in the world fast enough from an HDD (or disk I guess) to keep up.  Streaming in the world from an SSD is faster, which allows them to have the horses run as fast as they intended.

    There's still plenty of obnoxious texture pop-in going on in that SSD video though.

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    #23  Edited By EuanDewar

      

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    #24  Edited By FancySoapsMan

    I like it when people get angry about stupid things.

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    #25  Edited By Pezen

    Funny, my first thought was: Hey, the framerate is shitty on the one to the left. Oh.. ok. Yeah, always thought using the horse felt like only a slightly faster way to travel than running. But who cares, it's all about stabbing dudes anyway.

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    #26  Edited By RsistncE
    @Jimbo said:
    " They're saying they had to make the horses slower than they would have liked originally, because they couldn't stream in the world fast enough from an HDD (or disk I guess) to keep up.  Streaming in the world from an SSD is faster, which allows them to have the horses run as fast as they intended.There's still plenty of obnoxious texture pop-in going on in that SSD video though. "
    Yeah but it's also pretty clear that this is more of a technical limitation of either their engine or their crappy porting job, rather than the hard drive itself.
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    #27  Edited By ryanwho

    lol people don't know you can play PC games with a controller

    never gets old
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    #28  Edited By onarum

    Yeah, they can speed the horse up on an SSD because the environment streams faster, on an HDD they have to make it slower to avoid showing too much pop in, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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    #29  Edited By WoodenPlatypus


    Martha get my shotgun.

    Shit's going down.

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    #30  Edited By xyzygy

    I'm actually seeing framerate issues on the SSD that's not in the HDD on that video.

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    #31  Edited By Devildoll
    @xyzygy: thats probably just because ubisoft doesnt know how to use fraps.

    framerate shouldnt be hindered by harddrives. if it does , the game has serious issues.

    @onarum: the part that is wrong , is that this is the only game that apparently needs this , for no really apparent reason.
    horses could haul ass in rdr for example.
    some games even have automobiles that run @ full speed , lol .
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    #32  Edited By Twitchey
    @benjaebe: No. The horse on the right was not going as fast as it could.
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    #33  Edited By HitmanAgent47

    I think they are saying you can stream the level faster because the horse is moving at such a fast speed and normal hardrives can't stream that without slowing down.

    I have a SSD drive, but is it only for the intel version?

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    #34  Edited By Devildoll
    @HitmanAgent47:  if it was only for the intel one , then it would be complete marketing bs wouldnt it?

    there are other ssds out there that are superior to the 510 series in a couple of ways.
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    #35  Edited By KarlPilkington
    @Devildoll: This is neither an outrage nor Ubisoft's fault.
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    #36  Edited By korwin
    @ryanwho said:
    " lol people don't know you can play PC games with a controller
    never gets old
    "
    Did you hear that you can totally plug a PC into a TV like a console?!?
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    #37  Edited By beeftothetaco

    They looked exactly the same to me. Even if they are different, whats the big deal? Better hardware runs games better. Thats always the way things have been with PC games.

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    #38  Edited By Devildoll
    @Chabbs0:  yeah ive already said that the topic is incredibly tabloidy , and also , whos fault would it be , if not the developers?

    @beeftothetaco
    :  the thing they are trying to show you is that the horse runs faster with an ssd , not that the graphics would be improved.
    come on now , don't say you didn't notice that ;)
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    #39  Edited By EvilTwin
    @Twitchey said:
    " @benjaebe: No. The horse on the right was not going as fast as it could. "
    Yes it was.  You can't gallop in AC: Brotherhood. 
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    #40  Edited By dagas
    @beeftothetaco said:
    " They looked exactly the same to me. Even if they are different, whats the big deal? Better hardware runs games better. Thats always the way things have been with PC games. "
    It's not that he is outraged that better hardware runs games better. Isn't he trying to say that the scam is that they are trying to make it look like it's running better from the SSD to sell SSD's?

    An SSD has better access times that is the one big thing about SSD's. This makes them great for your OS which reads a lot of 4kb files. However an SSD would be no better at streaming the environment than an HDD since it's not access time limited. Streaming is limited by the amount and speed of the RAM mostly as far as I know and even if it is hard drive dependent a good HDD achieves over 100mb/s in sustained read which should be enough for any game.

    He talks about the FarCry 64-bit scam that added a bunch of stuff to make it look prettier and said they were able to do so because of the new 64-bit CPU's while in fact it had nothing to do with 64-bit at all.
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    #41  Edited By Tennmuerti

    PC hardware - muscling through inadequacies of game engines since there were games.

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    #42  Edited By Sooty
    @PeasantAbuse said:
    "

    How is Assassins Creed on the PC anyway?  I can't imagine playing it with a keyboard.

    "
    The same on consoles but with much better graphics and framerate.

    Plug a pad in? It's not hard
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    #43  Edited By alistercat

    Is it really only Intel SSDs? Ah well.

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    #44  Edited By sameeeeam
    @ryanwho said:
    " lol people don't know you can play PC games with a controller
    never gets old
    "
    Damn kids plugging things into other things.
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    #45  Edited By sweep  Moderator

    OP updated and thread consequently unlocked. See, aren't we nice? :D

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    #46  Edited By Azteck

    Honestly, no one sees that in one screen he's galloping and in the other just.. running or whatever it's called?

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    #47  Edited By FLStyle

      

      I couldn't resist!
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    #48  Edited By Devildoll

      @Sweep:  thanks for the unlock , and for making me complete the 1984 quest set !
     

    @Azteck
    :  yeah , apparently you cant sprint unless you have an ssd.

    cause if you would , the regular harddrive wouldnt be able to cope with the player moving at sprint speed , it wouldn't be able to load in all the new assets the player is swoshing past.
    atleast thats what ubisoft are trying to pitch here.

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    #49  Edited By kingzetta

     ...why is this an outrage?

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    #50  Edited By John1912
    @benjaebe said:
    I'm confused as to what I'm seeing. The horse runs faster because the game can stream information faster? That makes sense to me.
    The Hard drive would not be what is causing the horse to "run" slower.  The CPU, GPU, Memory, and caches for those are what would impact how "fast" the horse can run.  The HD feeds the information to all of those, but also has the least impact on performance as the HD is more for pre-loading that information.  So this smells much more of ambiguous marketing bull shit to be taken with a grain of salt....                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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