Eh, it's not that I'm pessimistic, I just know what I like, even though that may not coincide with the opinions of most users here. That's all it is, really, I know what I like and what I don't like, and a lot of people seem to disagree with me.

@missacre: Suppose you have a point, yeah. I guess, while we're on the subject, what are some things you like in games? You obviously like Bayonetta (so do I). Did you play Vanquish? If so, what did you think?

i just want bf4 to fix some of those super annoying issues i had with the console versions where the sound mix would randomly cut out in vehicles and sometimes on foot. Had the same problem on 360 and PS3 not so much on PC. It made trying to evade missle locks pretty much a death sentence on the console since i could never hear when the tone went solid or the rapid beeps after the missle was fired. intermittent issue, never fixed.

Not sure if anybody asked this already, but did you play BF3 on the pc with a controller? If you did then you probably remember it was fucking terrible. completely unplayable with a gamepad on PC. So if this was a pc version you were running then i wouldn't really put to much bank on how it will play with mouse and keyboard or on the next gen consoles.

I haven't played Vanquish, but I've heard it's good. In video games, I mostly like platformers, racing, adventure, some shooters, RPGs, puzzle, sims, strategy, so mostly everything, but I'm pretty selective about games in those genres. For example, the story doesn't have to be spectacular, as long as the gameplay makes up for it. That's what bothers me about most games these days. There's too much focus on the story and not enough on the gameplay, which makes the game boring. I can put up with wonky mechanics and all that, as long as the game's fun. That's my number 1 priority in games. The gameplay. If that's done well, then I'm buying it.

Yeah, I'm usually part of that school of thought. However, if a game's story is interesting enough, I'm willing to overlook mediocre gameplay. But that's not a very big contingent of games for me.

Oh, and you really should play Vanquish, it's amazing.

@greggd: I'll keep an eye out for it. Thanks for the suggestion!

@missacre: No problem. Oh, and it's bug free on 360, but I heard the PS3 version is kind of messed up, so be wary of that. I might be wrong, but I have the 360 version and it's great.

No, have just played BF3 on 360. That might explain some of turning-movement and tank-controls if the controllers weren't setup well on the PC's.

Interesting. I tend to agree that most of these issues sound like simple lack of polish. It's well worth keeping an eye on but, to me, DICE have a largely very solid reputation so I'd be optimistic for them being aware and working on fixes. The strong resemblance to BF3 is the sadder news for me personally. BF3 is a well-made game and I had a fair amount of fun with it (in that I certainly got my money's worth) but it fell way short of delivering anything close to the glorious MP experience I had with BC2 in the long run. We're talking hundreds and hundreds of hours played vs. approximately 30 plus some coop as well as the campaign. Some changes for the better won't pull me back in I think. But that's fine. BF3 sold very well as far as I can tell and a lot of people loved it so I'm cool with potentially stepping away from the franchise for a while. That or they'll blow my mind with more info down the line and I'll be pleasantly surprised. Who knows?

@baal_sagoth: But dude dude dude dude, you get to play as the Chinese. And they have their own weapons and sights. Think about it.

@catsakimbo: They didn't have the tablet loadout stuff/commander mode on demo though, did they?

@greggd: Well yeah, that's a game changer right there. If only they abandoned their chauvinistic, heteronormative and quite franky blatantly mysoginisitic propaganda too. A cute, lesbian Chinese lady, making out with her comrade while mowing down the Western Devils with her T-88 LMG - with its own sights. Now there's an angle that would bring me back to BF4 multiplayer!

Lesbians are misogynistic? How does that work? Do lesbians know that they all hate each other? Of course, I suppose that means that they also hate themselves.

Absolutely. Yes to all of the above. It's all part of the conspiracy maaaan.