So I went on Gamersyde.com to look for updates, and saw that just about everyone was pissy that a Bioshock game.... had similarities to, shock, other Bioshock games. What the hell? Its a franchise. I know its a franchise that depends on discovery a lot, but from what I've heard from just about anyone seeing the game is that the game, while it has the basic concepts of previous games, it handles everything in a pretty different way, and they have managed to make the game feel a lot different. Yet these idiots are bitching about how there are some vague similarities and some not so vague concepts, but most of them have nothing to do with the discovery of the game. 
 
So I'm curious what the reaction is here on Giantbomb. I wasn't super surprised to see that level of ignorance from Gamersyde, but the community there is pretty small.

So I went on Gamersyde.com to look for updates, and saw that just about everyone was pissy that a Bioshock game.... had similarities to, shock, other Bioshock games. What the hell? Its a franchise. I know its a franchise that depends on discovery a lot, but from what I've heard from just about anyone seeing the game is that the game, while it has the basic concepts of previous games, it handles everything in a pretty different way, and they have managed to make the game feel a lot different. Yet these idiots are bitching about how there are some vague similarities and some not so vague concepts, but most of them have nothing to do with the discovery of the game. 
 
So I'm curious what the reaction is here on Giantbomb. I wasn't super surprised to see that level of ignorance from Gamersyde, but the community there is pretty small.

Most people here seem to like what they're doing. I'm on the side with the people who are angry. Not because it's the same old Bioshock, but because they never fixed the clunky controls, repetitive gameplay, or annoying enemies and AI. These games would be sooooo much better if they would just incorporate some decent modern gameplay mechanics. 
 
Honestly, it isn't  "style" they're going for. Well, even if it is, it doesn't work. If feels like I'm playing a broken first-person mod for Ratchet and Clank. And, well... I appear to be in the minority, so I guess I'm just wrong about all this.

It depends whether the similarities are there because that's genuinely what Mr. Levine et al thought was best for their new game, or because marketing wanted Bioshock on the box and they had to justify using the brand.
 
If great developers are having to compromise for the sake of marketing & branding, then that's something we should all be pissy about.

I like the new setting far more than some wanky underwater place stuck in the 50s.
 
Cloud City FTW

It seems interesting...I guess? Don't have enough info to make that decision yet.

" Most people here seem to like what they're doing. I'm on the side with the people who are angry. Not because it's the same old Bioshock, but because they never fixed the clunky controls, repetitive gameplay, or annoying enemies and AI. These games would be sooooo much better if they would just incorporate some decent modern gameplay mechanics.  Honestly, it isn't  "style" they're going for. Well, even if it is, it doesn't work. If feels like I'm playing a broken first-person mod for Ratchet and Clank. And, well... I appear to be in the minority, so I guess I'm just wrong about all this. "

 @FunExplosions: Well it sounds to me like you are a) assuming they HAVEN'T fixed that, or won't fix that and b) not really the person who would appreciate a Bioshock game anyway. Most people who enjoyed it, like me, enjoyed the gameplay enough that the story was enough to make that game amazing. If it isn't enough for you, is it possible this franchise just isn't for you? 
 
And what do you mean "already"? You realize that Bioshock 2 was a separate production right? Like, not the same team. The original Bioshock team felt they didn't need to make another game in Rapture. So "already" seems like the wrong way to put it.

I have absolutely no idea why people would be upset ot even cynical about this whole thing - even at first glimpse.
This is what I thought Bioshock 2 should've been and if anything, Bioshock 2 should've been the game receiving all this bullshit.
 
People are constantly bitching about how sequels are just a rehash but the second you try to serve them any kind of change the shit always hits the fan.

" @josty81: Well, I don't. I definitely don't expect them to change the entire gameplay system, though. Especially if they were already willing to show off 10 minutes of "gameplay" to the public.  Stranger things have happened, though. My first hope was that these guys would pull a Borderlands, and revamp the whole thing. Not gonna expect that, though. "

I don't understand the hate either.  The gameplay problems people are complaining about seem to be just the team putting out gameplay videos so no one knows how its plays.  I don't understand why people are talking about the Ai for this game when the game isn't even finished.  However we all know time travel exists right?

 @FunExplosions said:

" Most people here seem to like what they're doing. I'm on the side with the people who are angry. Not because it's the same old Bioshock, but because they never fixed the clunky controls, repetitive gameplay, or annoying enemies and AI. These games would be sooooo much better if they would just incorporate some decent modern gameplay mechanics.  Honestly, it isn't  "style" they're going for. Well, even if it is, it doesn't work. If feels like I'm playing a broken first-person mod for Ratchet and Clank. And, well... I appear to be in the minority, so I guess I'm just wrong about all this. "

The answer is pretty simple:
Change the game completely and people bitch.
Don't change anything and people bitch.
Change the game some, but not a complete rework and people bitch.
 
Or (even more simply):
This is the internet. People bitch.

" It depends whether the similarities are there because that's genuinely what Mr. Levine et al thought was best for their new game, or because marketing wanted Bioshock on the box and they had to justify using the brand.
 

I don't see how somebody could watch the gameplay video and not be a least a little interested.
I think it looks so damn good.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 sucks because you can still blow up buildings like in Bad Company, im so tired of companies trying to pump out the same shit!

Gears of War 2 added nothing to the gameplay formula and people loved it. I loved it too because I realise originality isn't the end-all and be-all.
 
Bioshock Infinite looks to be adding LOADS though. Wide open spaces, combat at 80mph, crowd control, throwing fucking horses at things

" Gears of War 2 added nothing to the gameplay formula and people loved it. I loved it too because I realise originality isn't the end-all and be-all.  Bioshock Infinite looks to be adding LOADS though. Wide open spaces, combat at 80mph, crowd control, throwing fucking horses at things "

" @josty81 said:

" Gears of War 2 added nothing to the gameplay formula and people loved it. I loved it too because I realise originality isn't the end-all and be-all.  Bioshock Infinite looks to be adding LOADS though. Wide open spaces, combat at 80mph, crowd control, throwing fucking horses at things "

Wow, while Ken didn't talk about the problems of grabbing two independent moving objects engaged in copulation out of the air I bet it's a bitch to program! :-) "

I like that the base is still there (plasmids/potions with gunplay), but I'm more excited about the new setting and the fact that there's actually a sniper rifle in this one.

" throwing fucking horses at things "

On the internet no level of stupidity is unusual, there's plenty of stupid people out there saying stupid things every day.