Something went wrong. Try again later
    Follow

    BioShock Infinite

    Game » consists of 20 releases. Released Mar 26, 2013

    The third game in the BioShock series leaves the bottom of the sea behind for an entirely new setting - the floating city of Columbia, circa 1912. Come to retrieve a girl named Elizabeth, ex-detective Booker DeWitt finds more in store for him there than he could ever imagine.

    Why is Elizabeth a sex object?

    Avatar image for blueaniman93
    blueaniman93

    620

    Forum Posts

    49

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 4

    #201  Edited By blueaniman93

    I agree. The first time I saw her, I was kinda surprised.

    Avatar image for liber
    Liber

    657

    Forum Posts

    2

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #202  Edited By Liber

    I like Boobs and I post this only to say that this threat is absolutely unnecessary .

    Avatar image for valrog
    valrog

    3741

    Forum Posts

    1973

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #203  Edited By valrog

    I think that @Ragdrazi just made sure this thread will go down in history of Giant Bomb.

    Avatar image for cabelhigh
    cabelhigh

    307

    Forum Posts

    1711

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 2

    #204  Edited By cabelhigh

    Alright, let's do a little history lesson on coursets, courtesy of Wikipedia: 
     
    "Wearing a corset can also change the bustline, by raising the breasts upwards and shaping them, flattening the stomach, and improving posture." 
     
    Also: "The emphasis of the corset was less on the smallness of the waist than on the contrast between the rigid flatness of the bodice front and the curving tops of the breasts peeking over the top of the corset." 
     
    Ergo, having large breasts would seem reasonable in that time. If you don't believe me, look at this picture, also on the Wikipedia page. Oy vey indeed.

    Avatar image for valrog
    valrog

    3741

    Forum Posts

    1973

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #205  Edited By valrog
    @cabelhigh: And now I won't be able to go to sleep tonight. Thank you.
    Avatar image for privateirontfu
    PrivateIronTFU

    3858

    Forum Posts

    2

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #206  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    If I had tits like that, you'd better believe I'd show them off a little.

    Avatar image for aronman
    Aronman789

    2738

    Forum Posts

    16

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #207  Edited By Aronman789

    How can her spine not have snapped by now?

    Avatar image for privateirontfu
    PrivateIronTFU

    3858

    Forum Posts

    2

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #208  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    @Ragdrazi said:

    @SSully said:

    @Ragdrazi said:

    Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.

    I have known about 3 girls oddly enough. That is exactly how I described one of them too, "Her tits are the size of her head."

    I understand the complaint about her boobs, but they really arent that big. I think she is sexy, but still respectable. But honestly I wouldnt care either way if they covered up those puppys or not.

    Well, so... Ok. I don't want to get insulting or crass. But... ... a lot of women are not hight weight proportionate. I'm assuming ... ? But reading over this thread, I'm really getting the sort of sad impression that most of you are disconnected from what an even attractive woman's body looks like. That you've seen a lot of women in porn who've had surgery, and you guys think that's normal. Maybe I should throw up my hands and be like, you know, at least you guys aren't defending this character say jiggling herself at the screen. We are meant to respect this character, and that is heartening. But really, this thread is full of a lot of people who don't seem to know what women look like. Maybe... that shouldn't surprise me.

    Okay...I'm pretty sure we all know what women look like. Some of us have even *gasp* had SEX with them. Just because we're not offended by every little detail on this character's body does not mean we're disconnected with reality.

    Avatar image for assinass
    AssInAss

    3306

    Forum Posts

    2420

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 2

    User Lists: 3

    #209  Edited By AssInAss
    @Fenrisulfr said:

    So far, I've seen a lot about the bust, the corset, and the cartoony/possibly anime inspired stylization that the character makes up. Since I've been following this game pretty closely and have been eating up as much content as possible about this game as soon as it's available (I can't help myself! >.< ) I've reached the conclusion that just about everyone here is right on the subject, from potential sex object to independent woman. Let me explain.

    In the game, Elizabeth is being held captive by, what I assume either is or owns that giant owl/eagle thing from the first trailer. If she's being held captive, it's either because of her powers to warp reality, as we've recently seen in the E3 trailer, or/and her sex appeal in context of the universe. For all powerful men (again, assuming her capture IS male) would it really be that far fetched to say that in Columbia, there may be a certain trade for "gifted" women? Perhaps the attire she was on is because of the situation she's currently in (wearing that that accent certain parts of her for the visual pleasure of another, either for the jailer or for Booker[you aren't Booker] , which happens in real life as well), or just because it is, in fact, time period fashion correct.

    This is purely speculation on my part, but I do like to think that more thought about these things did go into the character. Some level of eye candy can be alright as long as there's reasons for it within the story. Blatant sexualization is usually pretty boring since there's this thing called "porn" and "the" and "free" and "internet" and "has," possibly not in that order, but when it fits into a story with characters and has just the right amount? I find it more appreciable because it adds flavor to that character and makes them more realistic and likable. Would it be a stretch to say being able to care about them as well?

    That's interesting, so there's some darker side to the thing that has captured her? Is there a human inside Songbird? Sex slavery in Columbia? As long as her design is tied to the story like this, I'm fine with it. Like how certain characters in SH Shattered Memories has different outfits based on your psych profile: 
    No Caption Provided
    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #210  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Kandycane2029 said:
    @Loose said


     
    My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case.  But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
    No Caption Provided
    No Caption Provided
    She's not underage. She's barely legal. By two months.

    BADAMN!!!!

    *high fives Chris Hanson*
     
    Serious reply to be posted after I get back from work.
    Avatar image for pieman32
    pieman32

    175

    Forum Posts

    170

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #211  Edited By pieman32

    tits, eyes and pussy. why u gotta ask

    Avatar image for agent47
    Agent47

    1931

    Forum Posts

    8849

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #212  Edited By Agent47
    @AssInAss: I think it's the fact that most guys just don't care.Though I could see girl gamers bothered.Of course I could see it being a problem if the character was a big muscular guy wearing barely anything with a huge bulge protruding from his lower area.I would be rather offended.

    @Meowshi said:
    Or maybe gamers just like big tits.    I think we're over-thinking this, honestly.
    Avatar image for benjaebe
    benjaebe

    2868

    Forum Posts

    7204

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 6

    #213  Edited By benjaebe

    @Agent47 said:

    @AssInAss: I think it's the fact that most guys just don't care.Though I could see girl gamers bothered.Of course I could see it being a problem if the character was a big muscular guy wearing barely anything with a huge bulge protruding from his lower area.I would be rather offended.

    The interesting thing is that, from an entirely small sample size of girls I know and have asked, not a single one has had a problem with Elizabeth's character design. Most just said that it fit in with the caricature steam punk art style and time period.

    I really do think that people are making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is.

    Avatar image for tehmaxxorz
    TEHMAXXORZ

    1190

    Forum Posts

    4491

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 2

    #214  Edited By TEHMAXXORZ
    @Ragdrazi said:
    And yet, BADAMN THEMS ARE SOME BIG MELLONS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! KEGGER DOWN AT PHI SIGMA DELTA DAWG!!!!!!   
    I think I have found my favorite comment ever... 
    Avatar image for dragonzord
    dragonzord

    846

    Forum Posts

    362

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #215  Edited By dragonzord

    You realize all male character are sexual objects too, right? They're generally good looking, charismatic, and incredibly ripped

    Avatar image for natetodamax
    natetodamax

    19464

    Forum Posts

    65390

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 32

    User Lists: 5

    #216  Edited By natetodamax

    She was never a sex object until you decided she was one. The thought of that never even remotely crossed my mind every time I saw her.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #217  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @GuyIncognito said:

    @Ragdrazi said:

    @GuyIncognito said:

    @Ragdrazi said:

    Yeah. We're stupid.  Her tits are about the size of her face.  Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face?   Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.
    Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
    Well, this is great.
     
    I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.
     
    So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person. 
     
    So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.
     
    My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case.  But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
    o_O 
     
    So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
    Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish.  But your wrong on both counts.
     
    She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try.
     
    But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing?
     
    Anyway, serious post seriousness...
     
    I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did explain it, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. Women were not meant to look like that. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.
    Avatar image for loose
    Loose

    417

    Forum Posts

    21

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #218  Edited By Loose
    @Ragdrazi said:
    @GuyIncognito said:
    @Ragdrazi said:

    @GuyIncognito said:

    @Ragdrazi said:
    Yeah. We're stupid.  Her tits are about the size of her face.  Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face?   Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.
    Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
    Well, this is great.
     
    I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.
     
    So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person. 
     
    So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.
     
    My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case.  But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
    o_O 
     
    So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
    Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish.  But your wrong on both counts.  She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try.  But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing?  Anyway, serious post seriousness... I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.
    Good job ignoring every legitimate argument made against you so far in this thread. I'm impressed, really I am.
    Avatar image for authenticm
    AuthenticM

    4404

    Forum Posts

    12323

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 2

    #219  Edited By AuthenticM

    A woman with cleavage is a sex object now? Do you want her to wear a fucking sweater?

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #220  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Loose: Well there's twelve pages and one of me. I've been responding to things I've read, but I haven't read everything yet.
    Avatar image for lifestrike
    Lifestrike

    503

    Forum Posts

    117

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 1

    #221  Edited By Lifestrike

    Too many big paragraphs and people arguing.
     
    Can someone sum this thread up with haiku for me?

    Avatar image for slaker117
    Slaker117

    4873

    Forum Posts

    3305

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 11

    #222  Edited By Slaker117

    @Ragdrazi said:

    @GuyIncognito said:

    @Ragdrazi said:

    @GuyIncognito said:

    @Ragdrazi said:

    Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.
    Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
    Well, this is great.

    I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.

    So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person.

    So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.

    My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case. But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
    o_O

    So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
    Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish. But your wrong on both counts. She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try. But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing? Anyway, serious post seriousness... I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did explain it, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. Women were not meant to look like that. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.

    I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.

    No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.

    Avatar image for hamst3r
    Hamst3r

    5520

    Forum Posts

    7837

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 11

    User Lists: 2

    #223  Edited By Hamst3r

    @Lifestrike said:

    Too many big paragraphs and people arguing. Can someone sum this thread up with haiku for me?

    Why does she have tits?

    Tits in games are so cliché.

    My pee-pee is hard.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #224  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Loose: Ok. Looking over the thread again, I really covered all the good points. The only thing I'd like to add is that there is NO FUCKING WAY an outfit like that could be worn in the Victorian Era. That being one of the most sexually repressive times in history. Steam punk Victorian Era, maybe. But again, showing pictures of prostitutes in corsets really isn't helping your case. People dressing overtly provocatively proves your character is not overtly provocative? Huh. The only other argument I saw was about stylization, and yeah, sure. But go out and find the equivalent of the Heavy in the real world. You've found a body builder. Try to find this character's equivalent. Right.
     
    Maybe you're upset that I didn't respond to your arguments? That's because they weren't very good. If gamers can only feel emotionally attached to an oversexualized character that says something negative about them as people, rather then something positive about the design. We want to protect her because she looks like a child, we want to love her because she could suffocate us with her tits is the most sad, childish, and juviline explanation for this design you guys could have come up with. I hope to fucking god it's not true.
     
    But it probably is.
    Avatar image for slaker117
    Slaker117

    4873

    Forum Posts

    3305

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 11

    #225  Edited By Slaker117

    @Lifestrike said:

    Too many big paragraphs and people arguing. Can someone sum this thread up with haiku for me?

    Character has tits

    Some people freak out about that

    They are big, I guess

    Avatar image for bombkareshi
    BombKareshi

    1042

    Forum Posts

    3448

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #226  Edited By BombKareshi
    @Lifestrike said:

    Too many big paragraphs and people arguing.  Can someone sum this thread up with haiku for me?

    Pretty girl in game
    Never heard of a corset? 
    Nerdy righteousness.
    Avatar image for snakeeyes327
    snakeeyes327

    355

    Forum Posts

    785

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #227  Edited By snakeeyes327

    I'm just looking at that pic of Elizabeth and I have to question, if nobody here has ever seen a real corset on these boards. Okay so she might have the equivalent of a D cup bust, but it looks like everything is just being pushed upwards, like a corset tends to do.

    Avatar image for loose
    Loose

    417

    Forum Posts

    21

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #228  Edited By Loose
    @Ragdrazi said:

    @Loose: Ok. Looking over the thread again, I really covered all the good points. The only thing I'd like to add is that there is NO FUCKING WAY an outfit like that could be worn in the Victorian Era. That being one of the most sexually repressive times in history. Steam punk Victorian Era, maybe. But again, showing pictures of prostitutes in corsets really isn't helping your case. People dressing overtly provocatively proves your character is not overtly provocative? Huh. The only other argument I saw was about stylization, and yeah, sure. But go out and find the equivalent of the Heavy in the real world. You've found a body builder. Try to find this character's equivalent. Right.  Maybe you're upset that I didn't respond to your arguments? That's because they weren't very good. If gamers can only feel emotionally attached to an oversexualized character that says something negative about them as people, rather then something positive about the design. We want to protect her because she looks like a child, we want to love her because she could suffocate us with her tits is the most sad, childish, and juviline explanation for this design you guys could have come up with. I hope to fucking god it's not true.  But it probably is.

    The fundamental problem with your argument is the concept of "oversexualization" in reference to game design. Is Elizabeth's character sexualized? Yes. Is she oversexualized? I certainly don't think so and others have reflected that opinion. In order for her to qualify as oversexualized, or as being a sex object then the character itself would have to be absurdly unrealistic (yes she has large breasts, but she's not anywhere near Soul Calibur IV territory) or she as a character is flat or uninteresting to the point that she can only be seen as eye-candy. 
     
    If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized. You're essentially accusing the designers working at Irrational games of making a poor and offensive game design choice and, until the game is released, that's an absolutely absurd accusation.
     
    Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era.
    Avatar image for killroycantkill
    killroycantkill

    1608

    Forum Posts

    7870

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 9

    User Lists: 13

    #229  Edited By killroycantkill

    @damswedon said:

    I'm sick and tired of people moaning over this. Learn what a fucking corset is, what it does and when it was in fashion. Then remember what time period the game is trying to do.

    Basically this.

    Avatar image for zeckbecker
    zeckbecker

    90

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 4

    #230  Edited By zeckbecker

    @BestUsernameEver said:

    Its funny, the whole game looks cinematic and realistic, every texture is bright and detailed, and then this character comes on and completely clashes with the games style, why does she look so cartoony? I get that the game goes for a fantasy vibe, but her face looks so fake.

    Honestly I never really got the "realistic" feel from Infinite. Perhaps I'm just trained to think brown=realism but Infinite definitely seems to have a more stylized look and most of the character design fits the aesthetic. Apart from dem massive bazooms.

    Avatar image for rahf
    Rahf

    652

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #231  Edited By Rahf

    Alyx Vance.

    Avatar image for eyz
    Eyz

    469

    Forum Posts

    44

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 3

    #232  Edited By Eyz

    She sort of got that pin-up vibe which suits this game's settings perfectly.
    I have no problem with that. (the same goes with women in ol' Tex Avery/Looney Tunes cartoons)

    Avatar image for slaker117
    Slaker117

    4873

    Forum Posts

    3305

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 11

    #233  Edited By Slaker117

    @Hamst3r: @BombKareshi: Thread justified.

    Avatar image for masha2932
    Masha2932

    1337

    Forum Posts

    231

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 2

    #234  Edited By Masha2932

    It's a corset

    Avatar image for ez123
    ez123

    2166

    Forum Posts

    170

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 12

    #236  Edited By ez123

    She got a boob job for her Big Daddy.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #237  Edited By Ragdrazi

    Fuck it. In line replying. This is what I've been reduced to. You happy. I'm not.
     
    @Slaker117 said:


    I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.

    I find it amusing that you're connecting the good points of my girlfriend with stylized character design in your mind. That's probably about the dorkiest thing I've ever seen anyone do ever.
     
    But more then that, I have no problem with stylized design. It's the following that bothers me.  
     

    @Slaker117 said:


    No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.

    Art style is one thing. But what is the art trying to portray. If we were able to find the woman who's body metrics most closely resemble this character we would have found a prostitute or a porn star. This is the portrayal of a woman with breasts almost impossible without surgery, spilling out of a corset. Her appearance is sexualized. I'm glad we agree. But from what we know about the game, she's just meant to be a love interest. What I keep asking, is why do we Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era. need this?
     
    @Loose said:

     In order for her to qualify as oversexualized, or as being a sex object then the character itself would have to be absurdly unrealistic (yes she has large breasts, but she's not anywhere near Soul Calibur IV territory) or she as a character is flat or uninteresting to the point that she can only be seen as eye-candy. 

    So our metric is Soul Caliber? If it's not Soul Caliber, it's not bad? She has breasts that would cause her back problems, but because it's not Soul Caliber, it's not bad?
     
    @Loose said:


    If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized.

     So let me get this straight. I want to post this again, because I think it's one of the shittest things I've ever read on Giant Bomb.
     
    @Loose said:

     
    If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized.

     
    Without the sexulization of a female character we will not care about her as much? So yeah, fuck right off Alex Vance. No one cares about you. Get ready for tits lady! She's so lovable! Cause of those damn fine titties!
     
    Seriously? Are you serious.

      @Loose said:

     You're essentially accusing the designers working at Irrational games of making a poor and offensive game design choice and, until the game is released, that's an absolutely absurd accusation.


    If you're anything like right, then the truth is, I'M offended by this character design. I'm offended that Irrational thinks I need a character to have tits the size of her face before I'll care about her. I'd take a thousand Alex Vances over this fuck doll any day. And you know why? Because Alex Vance looks like a woman. And, personally, I guess this is just maturity talking, I need my female characters to look like women before I can care about them.
     
    Edit:
    @Loose said: 

    Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era. 

    Sorry, you're right. It's the Edwardian Era. In which social norms were exactly the same.
    Avatar image for dallas_raines
    Dallas_Raines

    2269

    Forum Posts

    45

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 1

    #238  Edited By Dallas_Raines

    Video games are serious fucking business

    Avatar image for zeckbecker
    zeckbecker

    90

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 4

    #239  Edited By zeckbecker

    @Lord_Yeti said:

    Video games are serious fucking business

    Specifically: pixel bewbs ain't nothin' ta fuck wit.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #240  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Lord_Yeti said:
    Video games are serious fucking business
    Nothing that's worth doing isn't.
    Avatar image for billyhoush
    billyhoush

    1273

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 3

    User Lists: 4

    #241  Edited By billyhoush

    Well, why is Booker a rough neck asshole? Most game narratives are based off convention film genres. This seems to be a bit Hollywood action and sci fi so those characters fit the usual tropes. Valve makes all the genderless non stereotype games for academic fuddy duddies.

    Avatar image for beeftothetaco
    beeftothetaco

    437

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #242  Edited By beeftothetaco

    Because it's a videogame.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #243  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @billyhoush: Real men hate companies that don't oversexualize?
     
    Face is palmed.
    Avatar image for dallas_raines
    Dallas_Raines

    2269

    Forum Posts

    45

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 1

    #244  Edited By Dallas_Raines

    shitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuck I'm boycotting Nintendo forever and ever! Look at this fucking piece of shit! Legend of Zelda is for virgin assholes with Oedipus complexes! Fucking Nintendo, dude!
     

    No Caption Provided
    Avatar image for dallas_raines
    Dallas_Raines

    2269

    Forum Posts

    45

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 1

    #245  Edited By Dallas_Raines

    Holy shit, brother! Look at this bullshit! I'm done with Blizzard now, man! Look at those exposed bug mammaries. For goddamn shame, the only way Blizzard could fix Heart of The Swarm is if they patch in a burka. Only way they can salvage their dark souls.

    No Caption Provided
    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #246  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Lord_Yeti: Nah man. I'm falling in love with this character. She's got boobs and they're big and I can see um! YEAH!!!
     
    Edit: Kid. Calm yourself on down. There's nothing wrong with sexy characters being sexy. Or scary... as oddly both of your choices are. But we're supposed to care about this character as a person. Why do we need almost impossibly huge tits flashed in our faces to care about the character. That's the subject we've always been talking about here.
    Avatar image for positrark
    positrark

    327

    Forum Posts

    0

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #247  Edited By positrark

    How does it matter that she is attractive. First, atttractive women with boobs are everywhere, so why is it not realistic that she falls in this category. Second, the whole game is stylized so why wouldn't she be. Third, her boobs arent't that big, the corset is doing much of the work, and who cares what era this is. If this is a floating sky city, who knows how fashion has developed there.

    Jeezez.

    Avatar image for dallas_raines
    Dallas_Raines

    2269

    Forum Posts

    45

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 1

    #248  Edited By Dallas_Raines

    I can't fucking handle gaming anymore... Just look at what this pervert "Warren Spector" fucker did! I sincerely hope that someone has developed a burka mod to cover up those clearly augmented milk providers, because until this problem has been fixed, this 'iconic' game is just a turd to me.
     

    No Caption Provided
    Avatar image for slaker117
    Slaker117

    4873

    Forum Posts

    3305

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 1

    User Lists: 11

    #249  Edited By Slaker117

    @Ragdrazi said:

    Fuck it. In line replying. This is what I've been reduced to. You happy. I'm not.

    @Slaker117 said:

    I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.

    I find it amusing that you're connecting the good points of my girlfriend with stylized character design in your mind. That's probably about the dorkiest thing I've ever seen anyone do ever.

    But more then that, I have no problem with stylized design. It's the following that bothers me.

    @Slaker117 said:

    No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.

    Art style is one thing. But what is the art trying to portray. If we were able to find the woman who's body metrics most closely resemble this character we would have found a prostitute or a porn star. This is the portrayal of a woman with breasts almost impossible without surgery, spilling out of a corset. Her appearance is sexualized. I'm glad we agree. But from what we know about the game, she's just meant to be a love interest. What I keep asking, is why do we Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era. need this?

    You yourself compared your female friend to an anime character. I don't see how it's "dorky" to recognize your description of her to be cheesy or cartoonish.

    We need to remember here that we are talking about a game that takes place in a floating city. I think that kind of sets the stage for things to be a little fantastical and exaggerated, including body proportions. I'm pretty sure people don't actually look like this either.

    No Caption Provided

    Honestly, this seems like a whole lot of talk about nothing. She has big breasts. Yes. The character design isn't exactly subtle. The game does not take place in the Victorian Era. Correct. I never said it did. Elizabeth is meant to be a love interest. That is what has been implied. I doubt that's all there is to the character though, we'll just have to wait and see.

    You prefer an Alyx-like character. That's fine. That's not what this game is going for. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with a having a female lead that is sexaulized so long as it's not all there is to her. I don't know if I will like Infinite, but a little too much cleavage alone isn't going to be the thing that turns me off. We don't necessarily need a character with big tits to be interesting, but why can't we have an interesting character who also happens to have big tits?

    We simply don't know enough to make the call.

    Avatar image for ragdrazi
    Ragdrazi

    2258

    Forum Posts

    1

    Wiki Points

    0

    Followers

    Reviews: 0

    User Lists: 0

    #250  Edited By Ragdrazi
    @Lord_Yeti: Yeah, or you could post something that actually in some way addresses something, anything, I wrote.
     
    Also... you sure do have a lot of pictures of strange big boobed S&M style video game ladies. Weird tastes man, you got weird tastes.

    This edit will also create new pages on Giant Bomb for:

    Beware, you are proposing to add brand new pages to the wiki along with your edits. Make sure this is what you intended. This will likely increase the time it takes for your changes to go live.

    Comment and Save

    Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other Giant Bomb users. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll send you an email once approved.