I agree. The first time I saw her, I was kinda surprised.
BioShock Infinite
Game » consists of 20 releases. Released Mar 26, 2013
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The third game in the BioShock series leaves the bottom of the sea behind for an entirely new setting - the floating city of Columbia, circa 1912. Come to retrieve a girl named Elizabeth, ex-detective Booker DeWitt finds more in store for him there than he could ever imagine.
Why is Elizabeth a sex object?
Alright, let's do a little history lesson on coursets, courtesy of Wikipedia:
"Wearing a corset can also change the bustline, by raising the breasts upwards and shaping them, flattening the stomach, and improving posture."
Also: "The emphasis of the corset was less on the smallness of the waist than on the contrast between the rigid flatness of the bodice front and the curving tops of the breasts peeking over the top of the corset."
Ergo, having large breasts would seem reasonable in that time. If you don't believe me, look at this picture, also on the Wikipedia page. Oy vey indeed.
@Ragdrazi said:
@SSully said:Well, so... Ok. I don't want to get insulting or crass. But... ... a lot of women are not hight weight proportionate. I'm assuming ... ? But reading over this thread, I'm really getting the sort of sad impression that most of you are disconnected from what an even attractive woman's body looks like. That you've seen a lot of women in porn who've had surgery, and you guys think that's normal. Maybe I should throw up my hands and be like, you know, at least you guys aren't defending this character say jiggling herself at the screen. We are meant to respect this character, and that is heartening. But really, this thread is full of a lot of people who don't seem to know what women look like. Maybe... that shouldn't surprise me.@Ragdrazi said:
Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.I have known about 3 girls oddly enough. That is exactly how I described one of them too, "Her tits are the size of her head."
I understand the complaint about her boobs, but they really arent that big. I think she is sexy, but still respectable. But honestly I wouldnt care either way if they covered up those puppys or not.
Okay...I'm pretty sure we all know what women look like. Some of us have even *gasp* had SEX with them. Just because we're not offended by every little detail on this character's body does not mean we're disconnected with reality.
That's interesting, so there's some darker side to the thing that has captured her? Is there a human inside Songbird? Sex slavery in Columbia? As long as her design is tied to the story like this, I'm fine with it. Like how certain characters in SH Shattered Memories has different outfits based on your psych profile:So far, I've seen a lot about the bust, the corset, and the cartoony/possibly anime inspired stylization that the character makes up. Since I've been following this game pretty closely and have been eating up as much content as possible about this game as soon as it's available (I can't help myself! >.< ) I've reached the conclusion that just about everyone here is right on the subject, from potential sex object to independent woman. Let me explain.
In the game, Elizabeth is being held captive by, what I assume either is or owns that giant owl/eagle thing from the first trailer. If she's being held captive, it's either because of her powers to warp reality, as we've recently seen in the E3 trailer, or/and her sex appeal in context of the universe. For all powerful men (again, assuming her capture IS male) would it really be that far fetched to say that in Columbia, there may be a certain trade for "gifted" women? Perhaps the attire she was on is because of the situation she's currently in (wearing that that accent certain parts of her for the visual pleasure of another, either for the jailer or for Booker[you aren't Booker] , which happens in real life as well), or just because it is, in fact, time period fashion correct.
This is purely speculation on my part, but I do like to think that more thought about these things did go into the character. Some level of eye candy can be alright as long as there's reasons for it within the story. Blatant sexualization is usually pretty boring since there's this thing called "porn" and "the" and "free" and "internet" and "has," possibly not in that order, but when it fits into a story with characters and has just the right amount? I find it more appreciable because it adds flavor to that character and makes them more realistic and likable. Would it be a stretch to say being able to care about them as well?
@Loose saidShe's not underage. She's barely legal. By two months.
My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case. But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
BADAMN!!!!
*high fives Chris Hanson*Serious reply to be posted after I get back from work.
@Meowshi said:
Or maybe gamers just like big tits. I think we're over-thinking this, honestly.
@Agent47 said:
@AssInAss: I think it's the fact that most guys just don't care.Though I could see girl gamers bothered.Of course I could see it being a problem if the character was a big muscular guy wearing barely anything with a huge bulge protruding from his lower area.I would be rather offended.
The interesting thing is that, from an entirely small sample size of girls I know and have asked, not a single one has had a problem with Elizabeth's character design. Most just said that it fit in with the caricature steam punk art style and time period.
I really do think that people are making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is.
And yet, BADAMN THEMS ARE SOME BIG MELLONS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! KEGGER DOWN AT PHI SIGMA DELTA DAWG!!!!!!I think I have found my favorite comment ever...
You realize all male character are sexual objects too, right? They're generally good looking, charismatic, and incredibly ripped
She was never a sex object until you decided she was one. The thought of that never even remotely crossed my mind every time I saw her.
Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish. But your wrong on both counts.@Ragdrazi said:
o_O@GuyIncognito said:
Well, this is great.@Ragdrazi said:
Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.
So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person.
So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.
My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case. But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try.
But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing?
Anyway, serious post seriousness...
I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did explain it, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. Women were not meant to look like that. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.
@GuyIncognito said:Good job ignoring every legitimate argument made against you so far in this thread. I'm impressed, really I am.@Ragdrazi said:Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish. But your wrong on both counts. She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try. But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing? Anyway, serious post seriousness... I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.o_O@GuyIncognito said:
@Ragdrazi said:Well, this is great.Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.
So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person.
So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.
My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case. But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
@Ragdrazi said:
@GuyIncognito said:Yeah, so I guess there's sort of this douchebag perception that for a woman to be physically active she has to act manish. But your wrong on both counts. She's not a tomboy. She thinks she is, but she's not a tomboy. I don't think most tomboys giggle nearly as much as she does. I think the only thing that makes her even think she's tomboy is just... she's emotionally strong. And as for her physique, yeah, climbing on buildings, pushing other girls down on roller skates, it's really physical, you ever see one of those animes where the tiny little schoolgirl picks up a desk and starts beating someone with it. That's what she's like. It's bizarre. But you watch her pick up her six foot tall dad, and you're like how is that happening. Nothing about her looks really bulky or physically strong, including her arms. But... honestly... girl could kind of knock my ass out if she wanted to. I can't explain it. I'm not going to try. But even if she had Mechelle Obama arms, would that be such a bad thing? Anyway, serious post seriousness... I'm just impressed that the go to argument here is "They aren't really that big." Yes, yes they are. They are ridiculously big. No, the corset doesn't explain it, but it doesn't help. And even if it did explain it, once again, making your character look like a Victorian era prostitute is exactly the sort of oversexulization we're talking about. Very very few women naturally have breasts that size. Most who do have back problems because their bodies are too top heavy. Women were not meant to look like that. It's ridiculous that gamers would accept such an oversexualized character as a love interest. Its even more ridiculous that they don't seem to know how oversexulized the character is. Look outside, at women walking around. Find me the equivalent of this woman in figure and in exposure of skin. You've found a prostitute. Good job.@Ragdrazi said:
o_O@GuyIncognito said:
Well, this is great.@Ragdrazi said:
Yeah. We're stupid. Her tits are about the size of her face. Do you know a girl with tits the size of her face? Let me answer that, before the kids start talking. No you don't. I mean, what would the harm be in having this woman just look like a woman. And not like two cantaloupes floating around.Wow, are you bitter about your g/f being a washboard or something?
I have no idea how a woman could be a washboard. But I'm assuming you've said something an asshole would say.
So, I see in what you've written this sort of sexist perception that a man can't complain about over-sexualized portraits of women in media without being a sexually ungratified person.
So I get to blow that out of the water, and also rub my good fortune right into your stupid, stupid, stupid facehole.
My g/f, or girlfriend if you will, happens to be 18 years old. That's 13 years younger then me. Before you do that math I'm 31. She's gorgeous. She's skinny. She does have a big bust for her size. But, and here's the real important part, HER BOOBS ARE NOT THE SIZE OF HER FACE. Even a realistic portrayal of an attractive woman would not feature oversexualization like this. And you guys can flash as many pictures of Victorian era prostitutes as you want. It doesn't prove your case. But to continue on with the important part of this... She like a model. I feel amazed to be so lucky. I love her for more then her looks though. She's amazing. She does roller derby and sort of dabbles in parkour. Parkour! She stares men down who are three times her size. Sometimes I feel like I'm dating Laura Croft's younger sister. She's strong, she's beautiful, she's... rampant. Yeah, I'm in love. I love her.
So what you're saying is your woman is a tomboy with the interests as well as the physique of one.
I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.
No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Maybe you're upset that I didn't respond to your arguments? That's because they weren't very good. If gamers can only feel emotionally attached to an oversexualized character that says something negative about them as people, rather then something positive about the design. We want to protect her because she looks like a child, we want to love her because she could suffocate us with her tits is the most sad, childish, and juviline explanation for this design you guys could have come up with. I hope to fucking god it's not true.
But it probably is.
Pretty girl in gameToo many big paragraphs and people arguing. Can someone sum this thread up with haiku for me?
Never heard of a corset?
Nerdy righteousness.
I'm just looking at that pic of Elizabeth and I have to question, if nobody here has ever seen a real corset on these boards. Okay so she might have the equivalent of a D cup bust, but it looks like everything is just being pushed upwards, like a corset tends to do.
The fundamental problem with your argument is the concept of "oversexualization" in reference to game design. Is Elizabeth's character sexualized? Yes. Is she oversexualized? I certainly don't think so and others have reflected that opinion. In order for her to qualify as oversexualized, or as being a sex object then the character itself would have to be absurdly unrealistic (yes she has large breasts, but she's not anywhere near Soul Calibur IV territory) or she as a character is flat or uninteresting to the point that she can only be seen as eye-candy.@Loose: Ok. Looking over the thread again, I really covered all the good points. The only thing I'd like to add is that there is NO FUCKING WAY an outfit like that could be worn in the Victorian Era. That being one of the most sexually repressive times in history. Steam punk Victorian Era, maybe. But again, showing pictures of prostitutes in corsets really isn't helping your case. People dressing overtly provocatively proves your character is not overtly provocative? Huh. The only other argument I saw was about stylization, and yeah, sure. But go out and find the equivalent of the Heavy in the real world. You've found a body builder. Try to find this character's equivalent. Right. Maybe you're upset that I didn't respond to your arguments? That's because they weren't very good. If gamers can only feel emotionally attached to an oversexualized character that says something negative about them as people, rather then something positive about the design. We want to protect her because she looks like a child, we want to love her because she could suffocate us with her tits is the most sad, childish, and juviline explanation for this design you guys could have come up with. I hope to fucking god it's not true. But it probably is.
If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized. You're essentially accusing the designers working at Irrational games of making a poor and offensive game design choice and, until the game is released, that's an absolutely absurd accusation.
Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era.
@damswedon said:
I'm sick and tired of people moaning over this. Learn what a fucking corset is, what it does and when it was in fashion. Then remember what time period the game is trying to do.
Basically this.
@BestUsernameEver said:
Its funny, the whole game looks cinematic and realistic, every texture is bright and detailed, and then this character comes on and completely clashes with the games style, why does she look so cartoony? I get that the game goes for a fantasy vibe, but her face looks so fake.
Honestly I never really got the "realistic" feel from Infinite. Perhaps I'm just trained to think brown=realism but Infinite definitely seems to have a more stylized look and most of the character design fits the aesthetic. Apart from dem massive bazooms.
Fuck it. In line replying. This is what I've been reduced to. You happy. I'm not.
@Slaker117 said:
I find it amusing that you're connecting the good points of my girlfriend with stylized character design in your mind. That's probably about the dorkiest thing I've ever seen anyone do ever.
I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.
But more then that, I have no problem with stylized design. It's the following that bothers me.
@Slaker117 said:
Art style is one thing. But what is the art trying to portray. If we were able to find the woman who's body metrics most closely resemble this character we would have found a prostitute or a porn star. This is the portrayal of a woman with breasts almost impossible without surgery, spilling out of a corset. Her appearance is sexualized. I'm glad we agree. But from what we know about the game, she's just meant to be a love interest. What I keep asking, is why do we Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era. need this?
No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.
@Loose said:
So our metric is Soul Caliber? If it's not Soul Caliber, it's not bad? She has breasts that would cause her back problems, but because it's not Soul Caliber, it's not bad?In order for her to qualify as oversexualized, or as being a sex object then the character itself would have to be absurdly unrealistic (yes she has large breasts, but she's not anywhere near Soul Calibur IV territory) or she as a character is flat or uninteresting to the point that she can only be seen as eye-candy.
@Loose said:
So let me get this straight. I want to post this again, because I think it's one of the shittest things I've ever read on Giant Bomb.
If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized.
@Loose said:
If the character is sexualized and she has a fleshed-out personality then players will inevitably want to come to her aid when they play through the game moreso than a character that has not been sexualized.
Without the sexulization of a female character we will not care about her as much? So yeah, fuck right off Alex Vance. No one cares about you. Get ready for tits lady! She's so lovable! Cause of those damn fine titties!
Seriously? Are you serious.
@Loose said:
You're essentially accusing the designers working at Irrational games of making a poor and offensive game design choice and, until the game is released, that's an absolutely absurd accusation.
If you're anything like right, then the truth is, I'M offended by this character design. I'm offended that Irrational thinks I need a character to have tits the size of her face before I'll care about her. I'd take a thousand Alex Vances over this fuck doll any day. And you know why? Because Alex Vance looks like a woman. And, personally, I guess this is just maturity talking, I need my female characters to look like women before I can care about them.
Edit:
@Loose said:
Sorry, you're right. It's the Edwardian Era. In which social norms were exactly the same.Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era.
@Lord_Yeti said:
Video games are serious fucking business
Specifically: pixel bewbs ain't nothin' ta fuck wit.
Well, why is Booker a rough neck asshole? Most game narratives are based off convention film genres. This seems to be a bit Hollywood action and sci fi so those characters fit the usual tropes. Valve makes all the genderless non stereotype games for academic fuddy duddies.
shitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuckshitfuck I'm boycotting Nintendo forever and ever! Look at this fucking piece of shit! Legend of Zelda is for virgin assholes with Oedipus complexes! Fucking Nintendo, dude!
Holy shit, brother! Look at this bullshit! I'm done with Blizzard now, man! Look at those exposed bug mammaries. For goddamn shame, the only way Blizzard could fix Heart of The Swarm is if they patch in a burka. Only way they can salvage their dark souls.
Edit: Kid. Calm yourself on down. There's nothing wrong with sexy characters being sexy. Or scary... as oddly both of your choices are. But we're supposed to care about this character as a person. Why do we need almost impossibly huge tits flashed in our faces to care about the character. That's the subject we've always been talking about here.
How does it matter that she is attractive. First, atttractive women with boobs are everywhere, so why is it not realistic that she falls in this category. Second, the whole game is stylized so why wouldn't she be. Third, her boobs arent't that big, the corset is doing much of the work, and who cares what era this is. If this is a floating sky city, who knows how fashion has developed there.
Jeezez.
I can't fucking handle gaming anymore... Just look at what this pervert "Warren Spector" fucker did! I sincerely hope that someone has developed a burka mod to cover up those clearly augmented milk providers, because until this problem has been fixed, this 'iconic' game is just a turd to me.
@Ragdrazi said:
Fuck it. In line replying. This is what I've been reduced to. You happy. I'm not.
@Slaker117 said:I find it amusing that you're connecting the good points of my girlfriend with stylized character design in your mind. That's probably about the dorkiest thing I've ever seen anyone do ever.I find it amusing that your description of your girlfriend practically paints her as a cartoon character, but you refuse to accept the idea of a stylized woman in a video game.
But more then that, I have no problem with stylized design. It's the following that bothers me.@Slaker117 said:
Art style is one thing. But what is the art trying to portray. If we were able to find the woman who's body metrics most closely resemble this character we would have found a prostitute or a porn star. This is the portrayal of a woman with breasts almost impossible without surgery, spilling out of a corset. Her appearance is sexualized. I'm glad we agree. But from what we know about the game, she's just meant to be a love interest. What I keep asking, is why do we Also, if wikipedia is at all correct, this game takes place in 1912 which isn't Victorian Era. need this?No one is claiming Elizabeth looks all that realistic, she's not supposed to be, it's called an art style, and jumping to the conclusion that she's being dangled around as a sex object is silly when we know so little about the game. Her appearance is sexualized, but that in itself shouldn't be that big of a deal.
You yourself compared your female friend to an anime character. I don't see how it's "dorky" to recognize your description of her to be cheesy or cartoonish.
We need to remember here that we are talking about a game that takes place in a floating city. I think that kind of sets the stage for things to be a little fantastical and exaggerated, including body proportions. I'm pretty sure people don't actually look like this either.
Honestly, this seems like a whole lot of talk about nothing. She has big breasts. Yes. The character design isn't exactly subtle. The game does not take place in the Victorian Era. Correct. I never said it did. Elizabeth is meant to be a love interest. That is what has been implied. I doubt that's all there is to the character though, we'll just have to wait and see.
You prefer an Alyx-like character. That's fine. That's not what this game is going for. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with a having a female lead that is sexaulized so long as it's not all there is to her. I don't know if I will like Infinite, but a little too much cleavage alone isn't going to be the thing that turns me off. We don't necessarily need a character with big tits to be interesting, but why can't we have an interesting character who also happens to have big tits?
We simply don't know enough to make the call.
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