This is propaganda at his finest form. Blackwater is company that makes money off of killing and war. Think about it.
Blackwater
Game » consists of 3 releases. Released Oct 25, 2011
A Kinect-based rail shooter for the Xbox 360 based on the controversial PMC.
Do Not Purchase This Game.
@FUMN said:
This is propaganda at his finest form. Blackwater is company that makes money off of killing and war. Think about it.
Why would that be a factor? Nearly every game out there promotes an ideal without being completely honest about the consequences. If propaganda were a factor in our purchasing decision we wouldn't purchase anything.
Beyond that, your argument is idiotic. Blackwater may make money off of killing and war, but a lot of game developers make money off of glorifying those same two things. Of course what you forgot to mention is that while Blackwater does operate in combat zones and was caught up (rightfully so) in controversy, they provide a wide range of services both military and civilian in nature. We know they protect VIPs and materiel however they also operate in disaster zones providing logistical support and transportation to those in need. They have also provided specialized security related training to people in certain professions. Is Blackwater a company with a questionable past? Yeah... but that doesn't mean they haven't done a few good things along the way.
What you should have said is:
"Don't buy this game, it will suck."
That doesn't really change the fact, though, that they've wantonly murdered non-combatants and have been described by sources inside the company as being run by a "Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe" and that Blackwater "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life." I have an acquaintance who knew somebody who briefly joined Blackwater. He soon left, saying they were reckless and irresponsible. There are two reasons not to buy this game: 1. Don't support these people. 2. It will suck.
@Teran: For you to say that my argument was idiotic is silly. It was only 1 sentence, I did not believe it needed elaboration. For you to dismiss Xe's past work as only questionable shows how unattached you are.I like how you imply that game developers that glorify war are on the same level as these monsters. You ignore the difference between actually making money off of killing and making money with a game that has killing in it, which is a complete disregard for logic.
There is nothing questionable about killing peoples mothers and fathers for no reason.
I'm not sure that this was a major enough issue that it constituted a thread. After all, I've never heard of it, and I haven't seen a lot of evidence suggesting that other gamers have.
@Teran said:
@FUMN said:
This is propaganda at his finest form. Blackwater is company that makes money off of killing and war. Think about it.
Why would that be a factor? Nearly every game out there promotes an ideal without being completely honest about the consequences. If propaganda were a factor in our purchasing decision we wouldn't purchase anything.
Beyond that, your argument is idiotic. Blackwater may make money off of killing and war, but a lot of game developers make money off of glorifying those same two things. Of course what you forgot to mention is that while Blackwater does operate in combat zones and was caught up (rightfully so) in controversy, they provide a wide range of services both military and civilian in nature. We know they protect VIPs and materiel however they also operate in disaster zones providing logistical support and transportation to those in need. They have also provided specialized security related training to people in certain professions. Is Blackwater a company with a questionable past? Yeah... but that doesn't mean they haven't done a few good things along the way.
What you should have said is:
"Don't buy this game, it will suck."
Dude, did you really just defend Blackwater? The same company that has multiple officials who've been charged with weapon smuggling, drug smuggling, extortion, human trafficking, and killing civilians. They've done a few good things along the way? What could they possibly have done to outweigh the heaping shit-ton of bad karma they've accrued over the years?
@Getz: Unfortunately for your argument, being charged with something doesn't make you automatically guilty. For example, based your lack of reasoning I could make the charge that you are five years old. You might be, I don't really know for certain, but the fact that I have made that charge doesn't mean you are five years old... simply that you I think you lack maturity and the ability to critically think.
In the case of your example, lets go through them one by one.
Weapons smuggling: The investigation has been going on for five years. There have been no convictions.
Drug smuggling: The only web site talking about this was democraticunderground.com . Do you always get your information from propaganda sites? If so I'd recommend doing a little actual research before spouting off what you learned from a bunch of people who don't let the facts get in the way of the truth.
Extortion: Blackwater has not been charged, nor is under investigation for extortion. One of their former employees attempted to extort Blackwater, but somehow I doubt this is what you meant when you said "multiple officials who've been charged with...."
Human Trafficking: I can't find anyone making this claim, looks like you pulled this out of the usual place...? The only reference to Blackwater human trafficking I could find at all was simply using the term to describe their training people and then sending them into a warzone. It had nothing to do with the criminal nature of human trafficking (as in Coyotes smuggling people across the border, or slavery).
Killing Civilians: This is the only part of your post that has even a sliver of truth in it... but we've already talked about this.
What could Blackwater have possible done to outweigh their bad karma? Protected food shipments and medical personnel on humanitarian missions. Protected high level members of foreign governments who were risking their lives to bring stability and peace to their country. Lots of arguments could be made focusing on the positive things Blackwater has done over the negative but doing so would create a post just as stupid as the one I responded to originally.
Blackwater isn't perfect or probably even "good" but I'm tired of idiots spouting off what they heard on a web site that cares nothing about truth and just wants a bunch of mind slaves that will do their bidding and spout their drivel all over the internet. If killing a civilian were the sole basis by which any organization were judged and demonized, particularly in war zones we'd have no more armies, no more red cross, no more police, no more government period... and once we lacked all those things we'd see civilians killed in numbers no one believed possible.
@FUMN said:
@Teran: For you to say that my argument was idiotic is silly. It was only 1 sentence, I did not believe it needed elaboration. For you to dismiss Xe's past work as only questionable shows how unattached you are.I like how you imply that game developers that glorify war are on the same level as these monsters. You ignore the difference between actually making money off of killing and making money with a game that has killing in it, which is a complete disregard for logic.
There is nothing questionable about killing peoples mothers and fathers for no reason.
People often do not believe their arguments need elaboration when they have no evidence to back it up. Simply muttering the name "Blackwater" might be enough of a buzzword for you and others who get their propaganda from certain web sites but in the real world it's not. The fact that you think Blackwater glorifies war at all shows how detached from reality you really are.
Blackwater doesn't make money off of killing. They don't get paid a bounty for each dead body, instead they make money off of protecting. Sometimes it is materiel, sometimes it is people. Killing someone just makes their job harder because it brings with it media attention and a degree of scrutiny they'd rather not have, especially after previous controversies.
You talk about the company as though it instigated a conflict and is now profiting off of it. You don't seem to care that they were hired to do a job and continue to receive employment despite earlier controversies. Perhaps your misguided rhetoric is directed at the wrong organization. Video game developers on the other hand aren't typically hired to make a game about a war. They do it because they feel they can glorify it and create a product people will buy.
@solarisdeschain said:
That doesn't really change the fact, though, that they've wantonly murdered non-combatants and have been described by sources inside the company as being run by a "Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe" and that Blackwater "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life." I have an acquaintance who knew somebody who briefly joined Blackwater. He soon left, saying they were reckless and irresponsible. There are two reasons not to buy this game: 1. Don't support these people. 2. It will suck.
Not everyone in that company is a complete asshole. There is no sign saying "If you join Blackwater, you must kill everything that is not American! YEEE HAAAAA" Yea, the company has some underhanded methods but so does every other company.
I think Blackwater is a pretty cool guy. eh kills civilians and doesn’t afraid of anything…
Also, why in the name of fuck does this have Kinect support?
Edit: Oh god, just read the wiki page, its a goddamn rail shooter. Who decided it would be a good idea to make a light-gun game without the light-gun.
@McShank said:
@solarisdeschain said:
That doesn't really change the fact, though, that they've wantonly murdered non-combatants and have been described by sources inside the company as being run by a "Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe" and that Blackwater "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life." I have an acquaintance who knew somebody who briefly joined Blackwater. He soon left, saying they were reckless and irresponsible. There are two reasons not to buy this game: 1. Don't support these people. 2. It will suck.
Not everyone in that company is a complete asshole. There is no sign saying "If you join Blackwater, you must kill everything that is not American! YEEE HAAAAA" Yea, the company has some underhanded methods but so does every other company.
Not "every other company" has engaged in the wanton murder of civilians.
Haha, I actually want to try this game now. By the time I get a Kinect it will probably be in the bargain bin (if it's not already.)
@solarisdeschain said:
@McShank said:
@solarisdeschain said:
That doesn't really change the fact, though, that they've wantonly murdered non-combatants and have been described by sources inside the company as being run by a "Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe" and that Blackwater "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life." I have an acquaintance who knew somebody who briefly joined Blackwater. He soon left, saying they were reckless and irresponsible. There are two reasons not to buy this game: 1. Don't support these people. 2. It will suck.
Not everyone in that company is a complete asshole. There is no sign saying "If you join Blackwater, you must kill everything that is not American! YEEE HAAAAA" Yea, the company has some underhanded methods but so does every other company.
Not "every other company" has engaged in the wanton murder of civilians.
Not "every" company, but they all have had problems. In a war zone it is hard to distinguish between civilians and combatants sometimes, especially when the combatants hide among civilians. Like stated above, the majority of their jobs is transportation and private security. The only engage when they are fired upon. Also, they are no longer allowed to operate in theater - at least not under US command.
The majority of work they do now is domestic (private security, emergency response). The days of Blackwater/Xe operating in war zones if pretty much over.
Uhh... guys? I just went from knowing nothing about this game to buying five copies, but I just realized THAT WAS THE OP's PLAN ALL ALONG.
He played us like fools.
Well, now I have to not buy this game now. I mean, I've never heard of it before and it looks terrible anyways, but now I have a cause! Since, you know, ragging on PMCs is relevant and not at all something that stopped mattering 2 years ago.
So does General Dynamics, Raytheon, Boeing, KBR, Lockheed Martin, Honeywell, any manufacturer of a severe-duty truck powertrain, etc etc etc. GUISE DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE OR PAY TAXES OTHERWISE YOU'RE SUPPORTING PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY OFF OF KILLING AND WARBlackwater is company that makes money off of killing and war
so your saying you knew a guy who new a guy who joined blackwater good source.That doesn't really change the fact, though, that they've wantonly murdered non-combatants and have been described by sources inside the company as being run by a "Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe" and that Blackwater "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life." I have an acquaintance who knew somebody who briefly joined Blackwater. He soon left, saying they were reckless and irresponsible. There are two reasons not to buy this game: 1. Don't support these people. 2. It will suck.
@Jumanji said:
Anyways more on-topic: Blackwater are obviously vultures and anyone who argues otherwise is a tool. They saw a chance to engage in rent seeking in the hideous morass of evil that was OIF and they took it, over and over and over.
Glad to see that you're so open toward debate.
Whatever dude... Argue that OIF was justified. Argue that "freedom isn't free" and that while we regret that we killed a million Iraqis post Gulf War 1 it was necessary and we're more morally upright for it. Argue anything you want along those lines. I'm telling you it will make you a tool.
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