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    Borderlands 2

    Game » consists of 33 releases. Released Sep 18, 2012

    Return to Pandora as part of a new group of ragtag Vault Hunters in this sequel to the 2009 first-person "role-playing shooter" Borderlands, now with new crazy enemies, new crazy character classes, and even crazier weapons.

    Borderlands 2 will feature infinite levels of progression

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    #1  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

    Welcome to the Badass ranking system.

    It's touched upon in this video:

    But it's explained in far greater detail here:

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-13-borderlands-2-badass-system-has-infinite-levels-of-progression

    Gearbox Software has unveiled Borderlands 2's Badass system, its character-wide progression system with an infinite number of levels.
    As you play Borderlands 2 you level up your Badass rank, which is linked to your profile but provides statistical bonuses to all your characters - new and old.
    Each time you use a token gained through Badass, the game randomly picks a set of statistics. Then, you decide which statistic to increase. It's all powered by a secret algorithm the developer is keeping close to its chest, Gearbox chief Randy Picthford, who expects to see long-term players with Badass levels in the thousands, told Eurogamer he believes the system is the first of its kind.
    "I don't know of any examples," he said. "There are a couple of games that have done profile levelling. Even Call of Duty multiplayer, your growth is profile related, not character related, but they don't have character choices. You're not growing characters.
    "And I haven't seen one that's comfortable with infini-growth. Everything puts a cap onto it."
    Using data based on how Borderlands 1 players played the game some two-and-a-half years after launch, Gearbox is able to extrapolate how players will play the sequel two-and-a-half years after it launches, and use mathematical models to predict how the Badass system will evolve.
    It's all part of Gearbox's effort to create a hobby with Borderlands 2, something players continue to play for years.
    "Borderlands was a weird thing in the sense that, a lot of games are designed to be a story you consume and then you're done," Pitchford said. "Whereas Borderlands was this thing that launched and then both in sales and in playtime it kept accelerating, instead of just launching big and then dropping off."
    Borderlands 2's expected enduring popularity should enable Gearbox to make a "really big investment" in downloadable content, much in the same way it did with Borderlands 1.
    There's also the issue of value, Pitchford added. He hopes that by creating a game that, technically, will last players forever, they will feel they're getting value for money.
    "They got to take a risk. They've got to spend some money. They've got to buy a game. And I want them to feel like, man, the value I'm getting out of this, it's not only worth the $60 or whatever, I'm getting more value out of this than the last $500 I spent on other video games. We want that goodwill.
    "So we're thinking about it like a hobby and not like just a consumable, get it done and get ready to buy your next game."
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    #2  Edited By ajamafalous

    Interesting. I'm excited to see this in GW2 and now Borderlands 2. It's exactly the type of system that I felt was missing from Diablo III.

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    #3  Edited By joshthebear

    Everything I see about this game has me extremely excited. Easily my most anticipated game of the year.

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    This sounds interesting, how do they balance that sort of a system? Are we going to be seeing players with insane stats? Why would they keep playing past that point if they already have insane stats?

    Dammit I want this game!

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    #5  Edited By BeachThunder

    So, why isn't it September yet?

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    #6  Edited By Vinny_Says

    It's way too late for me to read all that but does it mean I can get every single upgrade?

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    #7  Edited By bigdaddy81

    I really hope my two week vacation gets approved in September. This might be the last game I need to buy this year.

    Hopefully they go a little more in depth on these Badass points since I'm still not fully understanding their implementation.

    EDIT: Never mind, the video actually explained things a little bit better. So looking forward to seeing how high I can get my Badass ranking. Also loved that single-action revolver.

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    #8  Edited By ChadMasterFlash

    Everything I hear about this game might make this my new favorite game.  
     
    Also they are making this game EVERYTHING a sequel should be.

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    #9  Edited By Ares42

    I like the idea of a profile based levelling, giving you even more incentive to start over again with new characters, but it sounds like something that will eventually just break the game for you. If you're able to get infinite stat boosts, at a certain point you'll just become completely invincible and kill everything instantly. Ofc the bonuses might so minor that it would "never" happen, but then the whole thing sorta loses it's value. I guess with the stats they have about how much people have played the first one they might be able to tweak it so that even if someone plays the second just as much as they played the first it won't break the game, and hopefully it'll still be significant enough to care about for everyone else.

    It just sorta reminds me about the weapon skill system in the first one. It was there, it gave you some bonuses, but only the crazy people cared enough to grind it out.

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    #10  Edited By Cincaid

    Borderlands 2 and XCOM: Enemy Unknown are probably the only two games I'm going [I can afford] to buy this year. I'll rob an old lady if I have to, damnit!

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    #11  Edited By SomeDeliCook

    @Vinny_Says said:

    It's way too late for me to read all that but does it mean I can get every single upgrade?

    Its not related to the skill trees but rather general stats. The example given was being able to increase damage.

    I'm guessing its something extremely small like 0.1% of an increase, but since you can have infinite points in theory, it kinda evens out sorta

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    #12  Edited By Talis12

    @BeachThunder said:

    So, why isn't it September yet?

    time.. it keeps screwing with our brains

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    #13  Edited By probablytuna

    Sounds very neat, this is one of the things that will greatly benefit people who want to try out all the classes but can't be bothered playing a new class with shit all stats/gear. I wonder why other games haven't done this? At least none that I know of.

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    #14  Edited By eroticfishcake

    INFINITE DRAGONS!!!

    I really hope this turns out well since the first one was conceptually interesting but missed it's mark by quite a distance (for me at least.) That plus it's been a long ass time since I've actually played an FPS.

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    #15  Edited By Morrow

    Sounds great. If they put so much effort into it, why no third person view option? :[

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    #16  Edited By Yummylee

    So it's basically like if your weapon proficiencies could carry over - neato.

    @Morrow said:

    Sounds great. If they put so much effort into it, why no third person view option? :[

    I s'pose I wouldn't mind this sort of alternative as well, especially what with the increased cosmetic options now. It'd be like the Fallout/Elder Scrolls stuff in that it probably doesn't work when you play in third person, but I still want to see my character all decked out just for a few minutes. I can deal without the option, though.

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    #17  Edited By hbkdx12

    That's so awesome.

    Borderlands was such a surprise hit for me. I bought it because a friend coaxed me into doing it so we could play together and i ended up loving it way more than they did.

    I love that he's genuinely excited about the new features and such.

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    #18  Edited By zaglis

    I dunno.
     
    Gearbox (Randy Pitchford, mostly) loves to over hype things

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    Infinite leveling, eh? I wasn't the biggest fan of the first Borderlands, but this seems like it is pretty much doing it right.

    INFINITE Leveling!
    INFINITE Leveling!
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    #20  Edited By BoFooQ

    I'm alittle confused. Is there 2 leveling systems or just the badass profile level? The way I think it works is you level up each character to a certain point, than you get your badass levels once you have maxed out a guy. These badass points than carry with you to any character you play with.

    I like the idea, at the same time I'm not sure I understand clearly how things work.

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    #21  Edited By XtremePudim

    i didnt like Borderlands 1 at all, but after Alex's preview and this i find myself willing to give Borderlands 2 a try, hopefully it will live up to the hype

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    #22  Edited By jakob187

    This just secured the fact that I will be splitting my time between Borderlands 2 and Guild Wars 2 for the rest of eternity.

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    #23  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

    @BoFooQ said:

    I'm alittle confused. Is there 2 leveling systems or just the badass profile level? The way I think it works is you level up each character to a certain point, than you get your badass levels once you have maxed out a guy. These badass points than carry with you to any character you play with.

    I like the idea, at the same time I'm not sure I understand clearly how things work.

    There are at least two--possibly three--leveling systems.

    1) Standard leveling, allowing you to pick skills with each level. I believe there are 50 levels, much like the original launch of the first Borderlands.

    2) Badass leveling, allowing you to level up every character under your profile. You gain Badass tokens for accomplishing certain goals that are unrelated to the story. An example might be kill 25 enemies at nighttime, or kill 15 enemies with grenades. When you spend a token, the game selects some stats from the master list of possible upgrades, and then you get to select from that smaller pool of possible upgrades.

    For a picture of the Badass stats screen, click here.

    I assume the game will increase the goal requirements as they're accomplished, giving you new versions of those objectives. Kill 25 skags, kill 75 skags, kill 125 skags, etc. Even if these were eventually limited--such as only 4 or 5 levels of each goal--you'd just have to start a new character to continue earning the rewards.

    Lastly, for those who do not like the idea of the game becoming easier as you play it with somewhat "pre-leveled" characters, you'll be happy to know that you can toggle the upgrades on / off for your profile, depending whether you're looking for a challenge or not.

    3) Weapon category leveling, which was in the first Borderlands. Either it has been replaced by the Badass system, or it will be in the game alongside both the Badass system and your standard leveling. Anyone happen to know if weapon leveling will definitely appear in the new game? I don't think I've heard either way.

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    #24  Edited By Tennmuerti

    @zaglis said:

    I dunno. Gearbox (Randy Pitchford, mostly) loves to over hype things

    I don't remember the guy ever outright lying about features in his upcoming games, unlike say Peter M. or Todd Howard

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    #25  Edited By Trilogy

    I loved Borderlands one and this sounds fucking amazing. I had this moment watching the video when he was talking about the ninja class with the sword lunge where I thought to myself, "It would be cool if you could reset the cooldown of that off a kill." Then, as soon as he was about to explain that very thing I finished his sentence together with him and smiled. It sounds silly but it's very rare that a game's mechanics live up to their potential. I know its just one thing but it made me happy. Also, the infinite leveling sounds pretty awesome. One of my issues with the first game was that there wasn't a lot of end game after you got one class up to the max level. There was the DLC but those were kind of hit and miss in terms of quality. Anyway, I can't wait. This is a day one purchase from me for sure.

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    #26  Edited By sparky_buzzsaw

    Holy shit, that's awesome. I just created a new lake filled with drool. You're welcome, thirsty desert people.

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    #27  Edited By clstirens
    "So we're thinking about it like a hobby and not like just a consumable, get it done and get ready to buy your next game."

    Glad to hear this.

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    #28  Edited By Bleeble

    Can't wait for this game to come out! Easily my most anticipated game of 2012.

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    #29  Edited By bigdaddy81

    @jakob187 said:

    This just secured the fact that I will be splitting my time between Borderlands 2 and Guild Wars 2 for the rest of eternity.

    Motherfuck, I forgot Guild Wars 2 came out a month earlier than Borderlands 2!

    Alright, guess I'll just have to max out every class and consume all of the content of Guild Wars 2 in a month's time. A plan this perfect can't possibly fail.

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    #30  Edited By minotaka

    woot :)))

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    #31  Edited By Shindiggah

    The more I read about this game the more I want to give them my money.

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    #32  Edited By TheDudeOfGaming

    How many levels is that?

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    #33  Edited By BigDaddyDre

    I can't freaking wait until September. I found the level cap sort of annoying last time, as I could've probably kept going. Damn Crawmarax!!!

    This game is going to be sweeeeeet!!

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    #34  Edited By Sooperspy

    I am so ready for this. I just don't know what class I'll play. I started as a Soldier in the first and that was an easy choice for me, but all of the classes sound awesome in this one. I may just pick the Gunzerker just to throw up the dual birds.

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    #35  Edited By BrainSonata

    Randy Pitchford is looking more and more like Roman Bellic.

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    #36  Edited By Tylea002

    POWER.

    UP.

    FOREVER.

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    #37  Edited By Tennmuerti

    @TheDudeOfGaming said:

    How many levels is that?

    ALL the levels.

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    #38  Edited By Sanity

    Come at me bro might be the best name for a skill ever.

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    #39  Edited By musubi

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

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    #40  Edited By YI_Orange

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    Yep, and we're gonna have fun doing it.

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    #41  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    I have both this and Dishonored in pre-release in my Steam library, just taunting me. It's making for an excruciating wait.

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    #42  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    This might come as a shock to you, but not everybody believes what you believe.

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    #43  Edited By elyk247

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    As many times as possible!

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    #44  Edited By Unlogik

    @YI_Orange said:

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    Yep, and we're gonna have fun doing it.

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    #45  Edited By musubi
    @Unlogik

    @YI_Orange said:

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    Yep, and we're gonna have fun doing it.

    Gross!
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    #46  Edited By Unlogik

    @Demoskinos said:

    @Unlogik

    @YI_Orange said:

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    Yep, and we're gonna have fun doing it.

    Gross!

    You just jelly :P

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    #47  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

    @Demoskinos said:

    @Unlogik

    @YI_Orange said:

    @Demoskinos said:

    Borderlands got stale quick. Are people really going to play the same content over and over?

    Yep, and we're gonna have fun doing it.

    Gross!

    http://youtu.be/Vs_9QZ0iIkw?t=10s

    Oh yeah!

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