Autosave makes sense for very linear action games, but it doesnt in an open-world diablo-style RPG like this. This is retarded.

once you quit it saves. the new diablo type game auto-saves automatically and it's being developed by the ones who made diablo, so I doubt they are retarded (both the diablo team and the borderlands team)

whenever you quit it saves your character progress.  those save points on the map I think are just there to mark your spawn point for when you die, and if you quit the game and start it up again you will be placed back at your last saved spot, but your character progress has all been saved so don't worry.

well ok thats a little bit less retarded, but id still by far prefer a save system in the same style as fallout 3 or any pc fps

It kinda takes some getting used to, but I don't think it's that big a deal.

 when you exit and autosaves all the time...  wheres the problem? 
 
It would pretty much ruin the game if you could manually save and load sections. Thats not even counting the daft mess you would have in COOP which the game is built for.

In addition to the game saving when you quit, it also saves whenever you pass one of those giant green lamp-post things that have the new-u station on them; so the game is pretty much saving constantly.

To be honest, I'm not hurting from the lack of an auto-save.  Then again, I can barely put the controller down, and I know where virtually every auto-save point on the map is now.  Therefore, it's not really an issue to me.

If you exit through the menu it saves.  Don't turn off your system without exiting.
 
Jeff: WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF CAVEMAN?!

Fallout 3 had manual saves because when you die, you need to load that save. In Borderlands, when you die you respawn from the last New U station or spawn pole you went near.

There's really no excuse for the lack of a manual save system in a game like this. If you can't manually save your progress at any time, via a menu or quick save feature, the game is broken. The only time lack of save makes sense is when the gameplay is explicitly about conserving lives (arcade games, dual-stick shooters) or about the challenge of the traversal (platformers, sidescrollers). An FPS is neither.
 
In the case of Borderlands, If you're in co-op mode, the manual save should simply be grayed out with the subtitle, "cannot manually save during co-op."

"There's really no excuse for the lack of a manual save system in a game like this. If you can't manually save your progress at any time, via a menu or quick save feature, the game is broken. The only time lack of save makes sense is when the gameplay is explicitly about conserving lives (arcade games, dual-stick shooters) or about the challenge of the traversal (platformers, sidescrollers). An FPS is neither. In the case of Borderlands, If you're in co-op mode, the manual save should simply be grayed out with the subtitle, "cannot manually save during co-op." "

I think I was in the boss battle with Sledge and was too tired to finish. i quit from the menu but going back in the next day I had to do the entire area over again. Didn't have a problem since but that was strange.

" @angelkanarias: Umm...I think you're getting Torchlight (made by Runic games who are ex Blizzard North people) and Borderlands mixed up. "

" @Hamst3r said:

"There's really no excuse for the lack of a manual save system in a game like this. If you can't manually save your progress at any time, via a menu or quick save feature, the game is broken. The only time lack of save makes sense is when the gameplay is explicitly about conserving lives (arcade games, dual-stick shooters) or about the challenge of the traversal (platformers, sidescrollers). An FPS is neither. In the case of Borderlands, If you're in co-op mode, the manual save should simply be grayed out with the subtitle, "cannot manually save during co-op." "

But but green lamp post things are basically manual save points, you have to walk near them to save.  Why does it have to be in a menu?   Having it ingame just saves you time and makes the process much more streamlined. "

" @angelkanarias: Umm...I think you're getting Torchlight (made by Runic games who are ex Blizzard North people) and Borderlands mixed up. "

Sounds like someone doesn't want to take the 10% money hit when he dies.

" Sounds like someone doesn't want to take the 10% money hit when he dies. "

" @Hamst3r said:

"There's really no excuse for the lack of a manual save system in a game like this. If you can't manually save your progress at any time, via a menu or quick save feature, the game is broken. The only time lack of save makes sense is when the gameplay is explicitly about conserving lives (arcade games, dual-stick shooters) or about the challenge of the traversal (platformers, sidescrollers). An FPS is neither. In the case of Borderlands, If you're in co-op mode, the manual save should simply be grayed out with the subtitle, "cannot manually save during co-op." "

But but green lamp post things are basically manual save points, you have to walk near them to save.  Why does it have to be in a menu?   Having it ingame just saves you time and makes the process much more streamlined. "

 besides, even if youre not playing it on a pc going into a menu to manually save is easier then looking for these retarded posts and/or memorizing where they are to go there all the time. "
 

" There's really no excuse for the lack of a manual save system in a game like this. If you can't manually save your progress at any time, via a menu or quick save feature, the game is broken. The only time lack of save makes sense is when the gameplay is explicitly about conserving lives (arcade games, dual-stick shooters) or about the challenge of the traversal (platformers, sidescrollers). An FPS is neither. In the case of Borderlands, If you're in co-op mode, the manual save should simply be grayed out with the subtitle, "cannot manually save during co-op." "

I'm fascinated by all these people who keep finding things that aren't in most console games then getting surprised when they find out the PC port of said game doesn't have this extra feature.

"extra function"? a game like this should obviously be built around a feature like that. and it isnt a pc only thing.

Yeah if you spawned right into the middle of a high-level mob that you had killed when you quit, I assure you you'd have even more of a problem with it. This way, they can spawn you at locations where it makes sense, while letting you keep any and all character and item progression.

^^and if youre not stupid you have more then 1 save. 
or are you suggesting that gearbox would mess up and create a bugged quicksave system that doesnt save everything youve done properly? well considering they cant even port a game without forcing retarded mouse smoothing i guess you have a point.
the system is way to easy to abuse in xp grinding and it basically lets you teleport to the last important location you where at, while still keeping all your xp. 
it doesnt even have to be a pc style quicksave system, it could be a jrpg style "go to a savepoint and press use to save" thing. as long as its not this autosave nonsense

" Yeah if you spawned right into the middle of a high-level mob that you had killed when you quit, I assure you you'd have even more of a problem with it. This way, they can spawn you at locations where it makes sense, while letting you keep any and all character and item progression. "

" ^^and if youre not stupid you have more then 1 save.  or are you suggesting that gearbox would mess up and create a bugged quicksave system that doesnt save everything youve done properly? well considering they cant even port a game without forcing retarded mouse smoothing i guess you have a point.the system is way to easy to abuse in xp grinding and it basically lets you teleport to the last important location you where at, while still keeping all your xp.  it doesnt even have to be a pc style quicksave system, it could be a jrpg style "go to a savepoint and press use to save" thing. as long as its not this autosave nonsense "

quick saving == cheating :P