" @Doctorchimp said:

" @DonPixel said:

" @Brodehouse said:

" @DonPixel: Its these kind of arguments that Ken Levine talked about in the interview he did with Jeff. "

I saw that interview, and I respecfully beg to differ with Ken Levine  I actually think he´s an overrated game designer in the line with David Jaffe.  "

Irrelevant, Levine has already proven you don't need competitive multiplayer in a shooter to work.  Good day, have fun with your Call of Duty. It's obviously the better game than Bioshock and Bulletstorm already since it has a deathmatch right? "

dude.. i haven´t finish a COD campaing or do any serius multiplayer in it.. relax  Im a multiplayer guy but COD it´s not nearly as good as other multiplayer experiences imo, it is the most popular and thats it.    The whole Ken Levine and bioshock rockstar game designer I just don´t buy it.. Bioshock was a big ZzzzZZzzz for me as Sci Fi aficionado ther´s far better storytelling and narrative in your average Sci Fi novel.. Bioshock just get away with it becaus it´s a video game if it were a movie it wouldnt even make it into a B-Movie.  "

" @Doctorchimp said:

" @DonPixel said:

" @Brodehouse said:

" @DonPixel: Its these kind of arguments that Ken Levine talked about in the interview he did with Jeff. "

I saw that interview, and I respecfully beg to differ with Ken Levine  I actually think he´s an overrated game designer in the line with David Jaffe.  "

Irrelevant, Levine has already proven you don't need competitive multiplayer in a shooter to work.  Good day, have fun with your Call of Duty. It's obviously the better game than Bioshock and Bulletstorm already since it has a deathmatch right? "

dude.. i haven´t finish a COD campaing or do any serius multiplayer in it.. relax  Im a multiplayer guy but COD it´s not nearly as good as other multiplayer experiences imo, it is the most popular and thats it.    The whole Ken Levine and bioshock rockstar game designer I just don´t buy it.. Bioshock was a big ZzzzZZzzz for me as Sci Fi aficionado ther´s far better storytelling and narrative in your average Sci Fi novel.. Bioshock just get away with it becaus it´s a video game if it were a movie it wouldnt even make it into a B-Movie.  "

It fascinates me how some people rely on Multiplayer for re-playability. I'd rather get  game experience that'll stick in my mind for years ( Arkham Asylum, God of War, Resistance 1, Alan Wake, Castlevania, Enslaved ) than having some other shooter that rewards me points for killing other people. 
 
I'll be honest, I only play games like CoD with friends with a party of 5. Otherwise, i wouldn't even own the game. The gameplay isn't particularly fun, it's just a team experience for me, that I could have on any other game that all of my friends and I could own at the same time.

DO you honestly think this game needs multiplayer? It would be matches of dudes consistently roping each other into slow mo and kicking them off a cliff. It would seriously be broken the way that game is designed. Just be happy theres a game to play to begin with.

" @DonPixel: Trying to figure out the games you play multiplayer competitively.  What are they? "

we're tearing down developers for showing some integrity and not cramming in elements they don't feel would have worked? what kind of fucked up universe is this?

" @mfpantst said:

" @DonPixel: Trying to figure out the games you play multiplayer competitively.  What are they? "

PC and PS3 I also changed region for my xbox live account the one listed have a couple of weeks.  "

" we're tearing down developers for showing some integrity and not cramming in elements they don't feel would have worked? what kind of fucked up universe is this? "

Think of how much better SP will be because of the lack of MP.

There hasn't been a competitive FPS multiplayer in ages so i don't know what you're whining about.

" @mfpantst: morals have nothing to do with it. the characters and dialogue are  just flat out annoying, its like a 13 year old wrote the story and script "

" If anything, less games need to have competitive multiplayer. "

@OP: Not every game has to have multiplayer - stick to playing your CoD 17 and let us have fun with an innovative game no matter how buggy it is.

" @OP: Not every game has to have multiplayer - stick to playing your CoD 17 and let us have fun with an innovative game no matter how buggy it is. "

" There hasn't been an FPS with competitive multiplayer to come out in years. "

@HandsomeDead said:

"You're right. All games should be the same. "

^This. You know games don't even have to have multiplayer at all.. you should stop your "checklist" - way of thinking cause you're missing out on some of the greatest games, probably because they don't have regenerating health or some shit like that..

" @DonPixel said:

" @Brodehouse said:

" @DonPixel: Its these kind of arguments that Ken Levine talked about in the interview he did with Jeff. "

I saw that interview, and I respecfully beg to differ with Ken Levine  I actually think he´s an overrated game designer in the line with David Jaffe.  "

Irrelevant, Levine has already proven you don't need competitive multiplayer in a shooter to work.  Good day, have fun with your Call of Duty. It's obviously the better game than Bioshock and Bulletstorm already since it has a deathmatch right? "

Eh, value proposition varies from person to person. I paid $60 for MW2 on day one and I haven't even touched the multiplayer in that game. Do I feel shafted by it? No, since I bought that game for the single player and co-op, not for the multiplayer (I still manage over 25 hours of gameplay from that game so I don't feel like I paid $60 for a 6-hour experience). I've already played about 20 hours of Bulletstorm and that's just the campaign (once on normal, once on Very Hard) plus a few Echo levels. Honestly this idea that just because it's a FPS it needs to have competitive multiplayer is exactly the kind of thinking that leads companies like Activision to want to start monetizing for competitive multiplayer. Obviously, we all want to pay $15 a month to play Call of Duty multiplayer right? Right?

" Obviously, we all want to pay $15 a month to play Call of Duty multiplayer right? Right? "

" @DonPixel: Once again, I am going to mention System Shock 2 for the PC. If you have not played that game, then you really have no right to talk about what works, narratively in videogames. BioShock, in my opinion, was a bit of downgrade from System Shock 2, but that is just my opinion.  @Doctorchimp said:   

" and yes I started systemshock never finish it because the shooting was crap and i got bored much like bioshock.  "

" @DonPixel said:

" and yes I started systemshock never finish it because the shooting was crap and i got bored much like bioshock.  "

I am disgusted, and I am now leaving, as I feel I need a shower from even setting foot in this topic. I hate to use memes, but you're doing it wrong. Like, really wrong. "

For me looking for "good" narrative in video games it´s a madmans quest, they just don´t work as well as other media name movies and books.

" If anything, less games need to have competitive multiplayer. "

" @DonPixel: Still it would help if you'd list games you like and games you actually play 'competitive multiplayer' for.  I think we all assume you mean CoD or Halo, but could be wrong. "

Check your argument for coherence.

" @HandsomeDead said:

" You're right. All games should be the same. "  

yes people love to kill each other online that´s why they buy fps nowadays.   still  i think they missed an oportunity to make a fresh competitive experience with the so call "kill with skill super powers combo system"   "

 What were they thinking? Their laziness got in the way and prevented them from making a fresh multiplayer experience. It would have been awesome helplessly drifting about as your opponents shot you with various weapons or kicked you into things. And lining up shots for multiple kills would have been great because people in multiplayer games often charge in a straight line at a single player.
 
I was really looking forward to the lively multiplayer scene that would last for about a month before all but a handful of die hard fans went back to playing Halo and CoD.
 
I do hope the sequel has co-op in the campaign. You're already playing through the game with another character, some skillshots that use both players could help change it up some.

Resurrecting a 5 month old thread to say this:
 
OP had better been fucking trolling.