@Cowman said:

@Jethuty said:

@Dalai said:

It would be hilarious if CLOPS unexpectedly pulled a Valve and was delayed until 2025.

Clops?

really?

You know it's not that bad now that I think about it.

I wonder if we can make that name stick.

how the fuck did you get from Blops to Clops?

I think someone at Activision peered into my mind and realized that I secretly want to kill a big-dog robot strapped with explosives with a KSG bullpup shotgun in a business park to protect some firemen.

Call of Blops.

Did not expect to be this interested in a Call of Duty game. Really surprised they're changing this much.

can I just say right of the bat that rare earth elements are actually supremely easy to come by. It's simply an extremely costly process to remove the trace amounts from tons and tons of rock. So if China completely blocked off the sale of such things there would be no price advantage and countries would start making their own.

Just something that makes me think this is another corny action movie type game that doesn't have to make any sort of sense.

This looks really interesting.

". In fact, it's not hard to conduct a headline search or two and discover all types of talk about China's stranglehold on these increasingly vital substances, and it's even easier to find people talking about the eventuality of a new Cold War rising out of all this."

Uhm yeah...that's not really at all what the Cold War was all about. That rose up due to differing ideologies post-WW2, this game is presumably about the struggle regarding dwindling natural ressources. Pretty big difference.

2025: The Consumer Wars. Gotta have a new iPhone every year or I'm going to kill someone.

@DystopiaX said:

Wow sounds like they actually have changed COD...

this is how you know the world is ACTUALLY gonna end this year.

Pretty fascinating. I'm glad Treyarch seem to get a shot at doing something great since they are a very good developer with a lot of potential in my opinion. I'm thrilled to read this actually might be a CoD game I personally care about again. I hope their aspirations turn out succesful and this isn't just an attempt at halfway fooling people into thinking it'll be something different than the established CoD formula but for now there's no reason not to remain optimistic. The near-future take on a cold war does sound interesting for a start.

So, what's the projected running length of the single-player campaign? I don't play multiplayer and I'm not interested in yet another 6 hour single-player COD game. Say what you will about Halo, but their campaigns are a worth a considerable chunk of your time. In recent years, COD campaigns have been little more than tutorials for competitive online-play wrapped in a Jerry Bruckheimer plot. I won't pay retail for that, so I hope this new direction addresses some of my concerns.

Ok, but if we have Metal Storm or even just Caseless Ammunition in 2025 why is young David rocking 2005's own XM8?

@Smokey_Earhole:

So are you saying that a new Cold War cannot happen unless its about the same things that started the original Cold War?? Nowhere in the excerpt you pulled did Jeff say that the search fir vital resources is what prompted the original Cold War. That excerpt is about a new Cold War starting and the point of conflict that could lead us down road.

Well it's certainly nice that they are actually putting some effort in to create something new for the series than just rehashing everything or reiterating on the same mechanics from past games. Whether or not they can pull of the open-ended level design among other things remains to be seen.

@Smokey_Earhole said:

". In fact, it's not hard to conduct a headline search or two and discover all types of talk about China's stranglehold on these increasingly vital substances, and it's even easier to find people talking about the eventuality of a new Cold War rising out of all this."

Uhm yeah...that's not really at all what the Cold War was all about. That rose up due to differing ideologies post-WW2, this game is presumably about the struggle regarding dwindling natural ressources. Pretty big difference.

While the standoff with the USA and USSR was definitely a case of ideological opposition, a "cold war" can be any sort of prolonged period of political/military tension marked by espionage, economic pressure and, of course, proxy wars.

To quote Wikipedia:

A cold war or cold warfare is a state of conflict between nations that does not involve direct military action but is pursued primarily through economic and political actions, propaganda, acts of espionage or proxy wars waged by surrogates. The surrogates are typically states that are "satellites" of the conflicting nations, i.e., nations allied to them or under their political influence. Opponents in a cold war will often provide economic or military aid, such as weapons, tactical support or military advisors, to lesser nations involved in conflicts with the opposing country.

It's hard not to see where the USA and China might end up in such a state, given the symbiotic nature of the relationship between these two countries. Necessity might make for strange bedfellows, but it's only a matter of time before the two sides start wrangling over who gets more of the blanket. This becomes especially true if China's economy collapses under the property bubble that they're so diligently propping up.

Another example of a "cold war" is also listed in the Wikipedia article, the decades-long conflict between Greece and Turkey over who gets what part of Cyprus in the wake of the Ottoman Empire's dissolution in 1923.

While the post-WWII period of tension between the superpowers of the time might have popularized the term, it was neither the first nor the last of this manner of conflict.

People play CoD professionally?  Ahahaha, that's funny.

War has changed...

Looking at that robot screenshot: yep still looks like the same old ass engine stuck years in the past. 60 frames isn't hard when the game looks like that and the scale is tiny or scripted.

fuck i love treyarch

@Dezztroy said:

People play CoD professionally? Ahahaha, that's funny.

Not really, no.

I told myself no CoDs after MW3. But damn it, this has me intrigued!

@Dezztroy said:

People play CoD professionally? Ahahaha, that's funny.

Tons of kids on YouTube that post CoD gameplay and get YouTube sponsorships that make enough money to buy a new Benz.

Well, they deserve credit for trying something new. Whether or not that will get me to buy it is another matter. But I am glad that they are trying something new.

And there won't be a cold war with China over rare earth metals. China has the market now, because it had the foresight to develop mines and capabilities to extract those rare earth metals. Those same metals and elements can be found all over the world - Australia has a lot of rare earth metals, but we just aren't mining them. If China puts the squeeze on rare earth metals, then sure, we'll have trouble for a couple of years, but then the rest of the world will rapidly develop the other sources of Rare Earth Metals and everything will go back to normal. China is the only one mining rare earth metals on a big scale - they aren't the only nation with rare earth metals.

Even if this one is good i'm going to miss out as I feel like I wasted money on Black Ops. That game was goofy as hell, the graphics were terrible and the multiplayer was broken.

Maybe if the RTS is done well we can atleast hope for a return of commander mode in the future Battlefield games, because it's just getting to the point now that COD and BF are bouncing off similair ideas like the studios are trying to get the jump on eachother.

Sounds pretty cool.

So instead of having one scripted sequence to go through, they'll let you pick from two different scripted sequences.

Everyone's going to buy it, and then the complaining will start. We've been through this before, it's rote.

Kind of is what I was expecting, more of the same and that will be exactly what it is, a few changes won't change the stale, arcadey feel to the gameplay. Like the last few games, I won't be buying it.

That robot screenshot goes against the whole "sharper graphics" thing, seriously that looks dreadful.

This sounds pretty great. I hope the game winds up well.

@Humanity said:

@Dezztroy said:

People play CoD professionally? Ahahaha, that's funny.

Tons of kids on YouTube that post CoD gameplay and get YouTube sponsorships that make enough money to buy a new Benz.

Still doesn't make them "professionals" as in, they don't go to tournaments etc. they just get money of comercials, anyone can do that in theory.

@Coolarman said:

first

Great comment!

@YukoAsho: Insightful post. You're a cool dude.

Well there's no apparent change to gameplay besides being able to control drones. I'm not impressed with choosing different paths. That isn't new, and all your doing is experiencing different scripted events. I'm sure the already short single player campaigns will be shorter because of it aswell.

This definitely sounds a lot more promising than the stuff that I read about Modern Warfare 3 before it's release.

A Call of duty level design meeting:

Senior sales guy: "How's the new downtown Los Angeles map coming along?"

Level designer: "Well, I think it's looking good. We've really spiced up the shootout parts with some new high-ground windows to shoot from."

-"Oh. Ok. Are there any jets flying by at super low altitude? Like, streetside."

-"No. But we have jets in the level just befo.."

-"Is shit constantly exploding everywhere?"

-"Uh, almost, I mean we have some quiet parts where.."

-"Quiet parts?! Ok. We need to save this map. I want you to add a tank invasion and a couple of helicopters. Fuck it, make that ALL the helicopters. And I need you to make a jet fly by you inside a building. That'll show them Battlefraud 3 fuckers what real war is about."

Color me intrigued...at least they are trying to do something different. I'll wait for the reviews to come in before getting it. This will probably the first one I bought since MW2 if the campaign turns out to be better.

I saw sniper rifle that lets you sees through walls. (read: FarSight)

@eezo said:

@Humanity said:

@Dezztroy said:

People play CoD professionally? Ahahaha, that's funny.

Tons of kids on YouTube that post CoD gameplay and get YouTube sponsorships that make enough money to buy a new Benz.

Still doesn't make them "professionals" as in, they don't go to tournaments etc. they just get money of comercials, anyone can do that in theory.

There are big teams that go to tournaments but why bother training and getting a team together, abiding by very specific rules that go along with these type of tournaments - when you can beat down on scrubs online and get huge scores, post that up on the ol' YouTubes with some nonsense commentary and make literally ten times as much as a tournament win which you have to split with your team. Of course now thats not as easy as it was say 2 years ago when that whole YouTube scene was blowing up. These days you're probably going to get lost in a sea of other people doing the same commentating you're doing. The pro teams still exist though, Team OptiC is still there as the "premium" sniping team or whatever. Playing Call of Duty competitively is no less silly than doing so in StarCraft or Street Fighter.

Modern Warfare > Black Ops. Simples

You know what.
 
This actually looks kinda cool.
 
But on the technical side of the visuals it's as if it was built for a console using parts from 2004.
 
And I love my old games. I love them because they are what they are. But this is an 80 year old granny pretending to be a 20something.

@ErEl said:

Modern Warfare > Black Ops. Simples

Oh you've played this already. Thanks for letting us know how it is in advance, saved me some money!

Can't we just pretend to talk about the future of Call of Duty and all have a nap instead?

I'll consider playing it if it's good and different enough. Otherwise I'd rather not support it or Activision.

On a side note, I quite like the irony of boredom due to the repetition of complaints, about the boredom of the repetition of the Call of Duty franchise.

Horses of the year 2012.

Eh, doesn't really seem that exciting. I will check it out tho, I must admit I did enjoy Black ops for the most part, plus, ZOMBIES

As someone who stopped playing COD after the first Modern Warfare (still the best IMO), I am genuinely excited about this. Vehicles? Variety? A deep campaign? And what of the multiplayer? Will we be able to use said vehicles and possibly take on the role of a commander?

Dear Jesus,

Please make this game good.

Yours,

Splodge

Holy shit I feel like I'm losing my mind. A charge up shot that uses more ammo ?! WHAT THE FUCK?! FUCK ME!!!

Before I go take a hot bath and slit my throat (wrist cutting just ain't gonna.. cut...it...) I'd just like to point out that this "branching" bull shit they are talking about, well I'm gonna call it right now, Instead of going through an on rail scene, your now going to be able to pick WHICH rail scene you go through.

WHAT THE FUCK?! CHARGE SHOTS?! WHO THE FUCK OKAY'D THAT SHIT?! DO PEOPLE EVEN KNOW HOW GUNS WORK?!?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

I'm glad I stopped giving a shit about these games after CoD2

Maybe I remember incorrectly... But don't you watch Frank Woods get executed in Black Ops?