" @DoctorWelch said:

" Did they also announce the feature of not being completely broken? "

Oh, I get it. Because MW2 had some minor issues with weapon balancing in the MP, that makes it completely broken... sigh. "

" @DoctorWelch said:

" Did they also announce the feature of not being completely broken? "

I don't know what people mean by this. When I play, I never have any issues... Broken implies that the game doesn't work... "

" Was anyone else fully expecting to see this upon entering this topic? "

" i still dont see why the fuck vehicles need to be in a Call of Duty game and there was never anything OP about a shotgun as your secondary weapon so I dont get why thats being changed either. Other than that though the changes look good. "

Zombie mode...... I'm calling it....  You can get it with Hardened and Prestige... we know this.... but its a code for the PSN/XBLA dedicated game that will cost $15 normally.
Wait and see.

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Was anyone else fully expecting to see this upon entering this topic? "

FUCK YOU!!! I... WHY!!!?...... Damn.... "

" @Interfect said:

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Was anyone else fully expecting to see this upon entering this topic? "

FUCK YOU!!! I... WHY!!!?...... Damn.... "

Yep, he got me too.  It's been a while! "

" @RecSpec said:

" Seeing as I play CoD games for the story, NONE of this intrigues me at all. "

 

• Enemy AI in Campaign and Co-op is now smarter

"

All sounds good but Vehicles. The vehicles have never been good in COD

World at war was the last cod i actually enjoyed playing online since MW2's was broken and bad.  This game is bringing the things i liked about WaW and making them better hopefully. Also im glad gore is back. And no commando HELL YESSS!!!!

" @sofacitysweetheart said:

" @DoctorWelch said:

" Did they also announce the feature of not being completely broken? "

Oh, I get it. Because MW2 had some minor issues with weapon balancing in the MP, that makes it completely broken... sigh. "

Or maybe because there are still like 100 glitches and exploits, and the leveling and prestiges mean nothing because everyone can boost soooo easily. Also, if quick-scoping isnt a prime example of the game being broken, than nothing is. "

Looks like they are balancing it quite a bit.

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Was anyone else fully expecting to see this upon entering this topic? "

FUCK YOU!!! I... WHY!!!?...... Damn.... "

All this, Dedicated servers, lean on PC, not as crazy as MW2?  Hell yeah.

Why would they bring back vehicles? They were one of the worst additions in World at War. Unless they're just transport vehicles, I don't see them working this time around. 
 
Other than that, it sounds great. I can't wait to get my Zombie back on. 
 
-GT

Fifteen exclamation marks? Wow, this should be important stuff. O.o

Removing Commando is probably a good idea. I found that on certain maps, people were more likely to just fall back on it and go around knifing dudes, and it's sort of a rough thing to counter.

All I care about is if they nerf the grenade launcher.

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

I agree with that sentiment entirely.  Treyarch did the shit necessary to balance some stuff out more...  ...except for vehicles.  Call of Duty doesn't need vehicles.  Call of Duty 3 and World at War proved that all too well.  Terrible, terrible idea...unless they can somehow find a way to make them a little less ridiculous.  Nonetheless, the changes to killstreaks, lack of Commando and One Man Army, and shotties/MPs going into primary slot are definitely good balance tweaks. "

you know what is going to be horrible though: 
 
rc c4.  
 
only 3 kills for that thing? imagine hardcore s&d.  
 
it better show up on radar or have a distinct noise or...fuck something. 

I have to say, this all seems promising.

" @jakob187 said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

I agree with that sentiment entirely.  Treyarch did the shit necessary to balance some stuff out more...  ...except for vehicles.  Call of Duty doesn't need vehicles.  Call of Duty 3 and World at War proved that all too well.  Terrible, terrible idea...unless they can somehow find a way to make them a little less ridiculous.  Nonetheless, the changes to killstreaks, lack of Commando and One Man Army, and shotties/MPs going into primary slot are definitely good balance tweaks. "

I didn't play WAW or COD3 so im not sure how vehicles were in those games. Infinity ward said that vehicles made maps less centralized, so combat wasnt as intense. Which is why they didn't have them in COD2, COD4 and MW2 "

Did they announce the feature where five year olds swear and I start loosing faith in humanity as a whole?

" @Mikemcn said:

" @jakob187 said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

I agree with that sentiment entirely.  Treyarch did the shit necessary to balance some stuff out more...  ...except for vehicles.  Call of Duty doesn't need vehicles.  Call of Duty 3 and World at War proved that all too well.  Terrible, terrible idea...unless they can somehow find a way to make them a little less ridiculous.  Nonetheless, the changes to killstreaks, lack of Commando and One Man Army, and shotties/MPs going into primary slot are definitely good balance tweaks. "

I didn't play WAW or COD3 so im not sure how vehicles were in those games. Infinity ward said that vehicles made maps less centralized, so combat wasnt as intense. Which is why they didn't have them in COD2, COD4 and MW2 "

yeah say that to bad company 2. infinity ward had a bigass ego and they loved making shitty excuses.   but they wont make any excuse for the horrible idea that one man army and commando were. or marathon and lightweight. infinite noobtoobs and infinite impossible stabbing and running. greaaat, "

" @TwoOneFive said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" @jakob187 said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

I agree with that sentiment entirely.  Treyarch did the shit necessary to balance some stuff out more...  ...except for vehicles.  Call of Duty doesn't need vehicles.  Call of Duty 3 and World at War proved that all too well.  Terrible, terrible idea...unless they can somehow find a way to make them a little less ridiculous.  Nonetheless, the changes to killstreaks, lack of Commando and One Man Army, and shotties/MPs going into primary slot are definitely good balance tweaks. "

I didn't play WAW or COD3 so im not sure how vehicles were in those games. Infinity ward said that vehicles made maps less centralized, so combat wasnt as intense. Which is why they didn't have them in COD2, COD4 and MW2 "

yeah say that to bad company 2. infinity ward had a bigass ego and they loved making shitty excuses.   but they wont make any excuse for the horrible idea that one man army and commando were. or marathon and lightweight. infinite noobtoobs and infinite impossible stabbing and running. greaaat, "

The only difference between the COD series and Bad Company series is that the map layout is radically different with different map design philosophies. With COD you basically have a more or less a freaking square with a few wide areas here and there. Regular mode would be 6v6 and the maps would feel empty when vehicles were added. Even 9v9 it probably didn't make much of a difference. Jeff even agreed that with vehicles, he often finds himself seeking for action than jumping right into it.
 
What about BC? Well, their maps a fucking huge alright, but they have a whole lot less corridors to hide in and the ranges you can shoot from are hugeeee. Not to mention, most of the map design is basically one big funneling area, especially true in Rush. Higher player counts (12v12 being the norm) also helps.. "

" Sounds like Treyarch knows whats up.   My interest in multiplayer just increased by a factor of 10. "

" @Meteora said:

" @TwoOneFive said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" @jakob187 said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

I agree with that sentiment entirely.  Treyarch did the shit necessary to balance some stuff out more...  ...except for vehicles.  Call of Duty doesn't need vehicles.  Call of Duty 3 and World at War proved that all too well.  Terrible, terrible idea...unless they can somehow find a way to make them a little less ridiculous.  Nonetheless, the changes to killstreaks, lack of Commando and One Man Army, and shotties/MPs going into primary slot are definitely good balance tweaks. "

I didn't play WAW or COD3 so im not sure how vehicles were in those games. Infinity ward said that vehicles made maps less centralized, so combat wasnt as intense. Which is why they didn't have them in COD2, COD4 and MW2 "

yeah say that to bad company 2. infinity ward had a bigass ego and they loved making shitty excuses.   but they wont make any excuse for the horrible idea that one man army and commando were. or marathon and lightweight. infinite noobtoobs and infinite impossible stabbing and running. greaaat, "

The only difference between the COD series and Bad Company series is that the map layout is radically different with different map design philosophies. With COD you basically have a more or less a freaking square with a few wide areas here and there. Regular mode would be 6v6 and the maps would feel empty when vehicles were added. Even 9v9 it probably didn't make much of a difference. Jeff even agreed that with vehicles, he often finds himself seeking for action than jumping right into it.
 
What about BC? Well, their maps a fucking huge alright, but they have a whole lot less corridors to hide in and the ranges you can shoot from are hugeeee. Not to mention, most of the map design is basically one big funneling area, especially true in Rush. Higher player counts (12v12 being the norm) also helps.. "

so you are agreeing with me :\ "

Sweet find duder!

• Activision has put more money into Black Ops than any other game in history 

" when did COD multiplayer ever have vehicles? :S "

This really makes me want Call of Duty: Compton to come out faster.  The day can't come fast enough when I can fire blindly out the side of my Cutlass Supreme in multiplayer.

" when did COD multiplayer ever have vehicles? :S "

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" when did COD multiplayer ever have vehicles? :S "

You must be new to the franchise, COD: World at War had tanks that you could use in online as well. These "new" features sound cool and I hope the appearance create-a-class is similar to Rainbow Six: Vegas. "

" @ISuperGamerI said:

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" when did COD multiplayer ever have vehicles? :S "

You must be new to the franchise, COD: World at War had tanks that you could use in online as well. These "new" features sound cool and I hope the appearance create-a-class is similar to Rainbow Six: Vegas. "

actually i played Call of Duty, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, CoD W@W and MW2.. single player and multiplayer  i dont remember any tanks in W@W, or any vehicles in 1,2,4,6 "

" @Interfect said:

" @SuperfluousMoniker said:

" Was anyone else fully expecting to see this upon entering this topic? "

FUCK YOU!!! I... WHY!!!?...... Damn.... "

Ahh good times.   I've gone from not giving a shit to gotta get this now about Black ops.  "

" @FluxWaveZ said:

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" when did COD multiplayer ever have vehicles? :S "

World at War.  "

nuh-huh ! "

Everything sounds awesome except them darnit all vehichles.

" @Mikemcn said:

" That all sounds...... fucking awesome. "

They seemed to fix every thing from mw2 in terms of balance. "

Vehicles have yet to be done right in CoD so they should just give up already. As for removing the absurd nuke and two of the more overpowered perks that is good. I highly doubt Black Ops is going to fix any of the major issues that have been plaguing CoD since CoD4, mainly the worst respawn system in a competitive shooter in recent memory, weapon balancing and hit detection. And for gods sake can they make a Call of Duty where I die more for tactical errors and less from I got caught on a chair, a trash can or the ultimate foe doorways  and couldn't move.