Was what I did considered bad etiquette?

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#1 Posted by BBAlpert (2676 posts) -

I had just gotten to the first bonfire in Blighttown, and I became human in order to kindle. Within a minute or two, I got invaded. I had a bunch of souls already that I didn't want to lose, roughly 80% what I needed to level, so I ran over to the bonfire I'd just rested at and jumped off the ledge to my death. That way I would spawn right next to my souls for retrieval.

Was that rude of me?

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#2 Posted by AMyggen (7719 posts) -

Of course not.

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#3 Posted by toorima (204 posts) -

If this is your first playthrough of Dark Souls then don't worry about bad etiquette in pvp. Do whatever it takes to survive or to easily obtain your souls again after the fight.

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#4 Posted by I_Stay_Puft (5571 posts) -

Nah. Just remember Dark Souls hates you more than you hate Dark Souls.

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#5 Posted by killacam (1341 posts) -

fuck invaders.. so many of them seem to be able to teleport straight into backstabbing me. invaders made my quest to defeat ornstein and smough last 3 weeks.

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#6 Edited by Popogeejo (622 posts) -

It's cool, though even if he'd killed you you'd still leave a blood stain just like any other death. If you wanted you could have just waited for him to show up and duke it out without risking losing your souls.

@killacam Yes, they are horrible for that. In the end I just turned off my wifi and offlined it.

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#7 Edited by mosespippy (4751 posts) -

I'd call that bad etiquette. No need to kill yourself. Running back to a bonfire is fine but fight your battle. All you did was waste your time and his time.

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#8 Edited by Humanity (17165 posts) -

@bbalpert said:

I had just gotten to the first bonfire in Blighttown, and I became human in order to kindle. Within a minute or two, I got invaded. I had a bunch of souls already that I didn't want to lose, roughly 80% what I needed to level, so I ran over to the bonfire I'd just rested at and jumped off the ledge to my death. That way I would spawn right next to my souls for retrieval.

Was that rude of me?

It's online, there's no such thing as etiquette.

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#9 Posted by roninenix (210 posts) -

Not sure which bonfire you're at in Blighttown, but isn't that invasion by an AI with a giant cleaver?

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#10 Edited by BBAlpert (2676 posts) -

@roninenix: No, this was a player invader (I'm pretty sure, at least). I was at the bonfire near the top of Blighttown, on kind of a bridge. Once I got down to the swamp at ground level, I went to that other bonfire in the tunnel and also got the AI invader with the cleaver.

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#11 Posted by Rafaelfc (2237 posts) -

All is fair in love and Dark Souls.

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#12 Edited by SuperSambo (3119 posts) -

Is there a penalty for playing the game while offline? It sounds too annoying to even consider having others come in and fuck it up for me.

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#13 Edited by Sinusoidal (3591 posts) -

Good for you. Fuck the lagstabbers, low level pyromancers and perfect builds that offed me EVERY FREAKING TIME I went human when playing the campaign the first time. It kind of sucks that veterans can invade you when you're learning the ropes since you don't stand a goddamn chance in hell against them.

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#15 Posted by Popogeejo (622 posts) -

@mosespippy: By invading someone who doesn't want to PVP they're wasting your time just as much. Sure, you're taking the risk by reverse hollowing but sometimes a dude just wants to kindle or summon some bros for joly co-op rather than spend 5 minutes circling some dude with two lightning greatswords. By killing himself nice and quick he cut short the invasion as fast as possible instead of drawing out a fight he'd most likely lose.

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#16 Posted by jimmyfenix (3941 posts) -

I am invading you now!

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#17 Posted by mosespippy (4751 posts) -

@popogeejo: He can reverse hollow all he wants in Offline mode. If you're playing in online mode then getting invaded is par for the course. And he's not necessarily going to lose if he plays smart. The first time I got invaded I hung out by a ledge and ambushed the guy as he came around the corner, pushing him to his death. This is certainly an area where he could have done something similar. Also, every death in battle is a valuable learning experience, especially PvP deaths.

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#18 Posted by bybeach (5928 posts) -

To the OP, I learn from you. It's enough for how the game treats me, but that is established ground, and it turns and does have it's high moments. I do not need some purely self concerned wanker waltzing in to feed their pecker. Or rather, I will deny them even by dying. It comes rather easy really...

When Vinny was invaded, I liked the attitude of the person who did the invading, he was a poster in the comments. And I also liked the cooperation. But I do know it is fair there be 2 sides to that. So then I love you can deny by what the games hinges, by death.

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#19 Posted by zidd (1933 posts) -

You can be invaded by NPCs when human in certain spots even if you are playing offline. I never really had any trouble with invaders in my playthrough on the PC version.

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#20 Posted by Spoonman671 (5868 posts) -

In Dark Souls, you do what you have to do.

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#21 Posted by Clonedzero (4206 posts) -

He invaded you in blight town? You did him a favor, that was going to be a bad experience for everyone.

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#22 Edited by golguin (5350 posts) -

If you get invaded you should probably fight back instead of simply jumping off a cliff. You might learn something if you fight. You definitely wont learn anything by submitting to death.

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#23 Edited by Ghost_Cat (2083 posts) -

The game itself is one big asshole. It's like eating at a Chinese buffet with only your hands: anything goes.

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#24 Posted by Sarumarine (2588 posts) -

Dark Souls is the Wild West. There are no rules. No etiquette. It's best you get invasions over with as fast as possible so you can get back to what's really important. The player on player stuff is really terrible and only benefits those who know how to break the game or are insane. You made the right choice.

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#25 Posted by Legion_ (1717 posts) -

Invaders are usually fun to fight. I just use that holy blast spell a bunch, then slash my sword like a motherfucker when they try to heal.

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#26 Posted by dudeglove (13040 posts) -
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#27 Posted by Humanity (17165 posts) -

@mosespippy: maybe he's playing online to see blood stains, messages and player specters but not necessarily PVP. He can do whatever he wants - there isn't some online etiquette guide to this game you're free to do whatever. It's like those players that get angry if you don't bow before a battle and send you angry messages afterwards - give me a break.

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#28 Posted by mosespippy (4751 posts) -

@humanity: This isn't Barbie's Dreamhouse. The world of Dark Souls exists to kill you. If you are running from a fight then why are you even playing? If you want the benefit of learning from blood stains, messages and specters then you can face the consequence of occasionally fighting someone. You don't get anything for free in Dark Souls.

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#29 Posted by crithon (3979 posts) -

that sounded awesome!!! Plus I think he gets your humanity.

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#30 Posted by Humanity (17165 posts) -
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#31 Posted by Counterclockwork87 (1170 posts) -

Do whatever you want, its a video game that you bought.

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#32 Edited by CornBREDX (7264 posts) -

The host can do whatever they want.

This idea of having bad etiquette in PvP in this game is still kind of weird to me. I mean, play how you want. If it's in the game it's allowed.

I kill myself often when I get invaded and don't want to deal with it.

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#33 Posted by Fredchuckdave (10825 posts) -

There's no such thing as etiquette in the modern gaming community (or any online community), nor any creativity; do whatever the fuck you want.

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#34 Edited by Khronikos (85 posts) -

Maybe a little bit you are supposed to at least see what they got; people are usually fun to fight.

And yes there is etiquette in modern gaming. To think otherwise is just silly.

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#35 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (7495 posts) -

Anything goes in Dark Souls.

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#36 Posted by Popogeejo (622 posts) -

@mosespippy: You need to relax, mate. The world of Dark Souls is NOT there to kill you which is why people have done crazy things like, you know, complete it. If it wanted to kill it'd make every mook do a billion points of damage. DS is about testing you and training you to meet it's challenge. It's why when you walk onto Hellkite bridge you see burn marks to warn the careful player. It's why it makes your first Silver Knight fight a 1 on 1 in a large area. It's why the arrow traps in Sens are either visible or timed to that that you have time to react when you hear them fire. The PVP can be part of this but you have literally no obligation to take part.

PVP isn't even "a valuable learning experience" for the most part since none of the AI fights like human players. PVP teaches you how to PVP and nothing more.

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#37 Edited by SteveVacation (400 posts) -

@supersambo: You can't summon other humans, but that's all as far as I know. You can still summon NPCs to help though. My first time through Smough and Ornstein I went offline so I could summon Solaire without getting invaded after like, 10 invasions that ended in my death.

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#38 Posted by Nentisys (942 posts) -

Yes, you were rude.

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#39 Posted by doctordonkey (1522 posts) -

Invading in Blighttown? Man, FUCK whoever that was, you did the right thing.

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#40 Posted by klaptos (197 posts) -

Long answer? Nope.

Short answer? No.

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#41 Edited by tourgen (4568 posts) -

No man you can and should do whatever you feel like. It's PVP. I'd suggest maybe putting your mind to it and finding interesting ways of making their PVP as painful as possible. Dark Souls gives you lots of fun options.

Anyone saying it's rude or bad etiquette is essentially trying to manipulate you into being a more passive and obedient piece of PVP meat. Crybaby losers who want easier targets.

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#42 Posted by hippocrit (290 posts) -

The real lesson here is don't worry about those souls, bro. Losing a stack of humanity is a bummer, but getting souls back isn't so bad.

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#43 Edited by Slaegar (862 posts) -

That wasn't rude, no, but you should have given it a try. Even without a pvp build you can do alright at pvp in Dark Souls. Plus since you were the one getting invaded you have the advantage of estus flasks. Unlike world pvp in MMOs they actually balance the levels so you aren't fighting someone 70 levels higher than you or something. So the combat is actually engaging. The reward can also be huge. Invaders can often times have more souls than bosses.

Last time I was invaded they came when I was getting through spooky skeletonland towards Pinwheel. I didn't see the guy and after a few minutes I got 21000 souls. He must have fallen off a ledge.

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#44 Edited by Ravelle (2878 posts) -

After a while you get used to loosing souls that you won't even care anymore.

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#45 Edited by xaLieNxGrEyx (2646 posts) -

@slaegar said:

That wasn't rude, no, but you should have given it a try. Even without a pvp build you can do alright at pvp in Dark Souls. Plus since you were the one getting invaded you have the advantage of estus flasks. Unlike world pvp in MMOs they actually balance the levels so you aren't fighting someone 70 levels higher than you or something. So the combat is actually engaging. The reward can also be huge. Invaders can often times have more souls than bosses.

Last time I was invaded they came when I was getting through spooky skeletonland towards Pinwheel. I didn't see the guy and after a few minutes I got 21000 souls. He must have fallen off a ledge.

If you're going to be invading you may as well have 100 humanity, which when used heals you fully rendering estus flasks useless.

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#46 Posted by senrat (359 posts) -

I sure as hell wouldnt want to fight a player in blighttown. The swamps and those stupid rock throwing giants, good move.

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#47 Edited by Karkarov (3385 posts) -

@bbalpert said:

I had just gotten to the first bonfire in Blighttown, and I became human in order to kindle. Within a minute or two, I got invaded. I had a bunch of souls already that I didn't want to lose, roughly 80% what I needed to level, so I ran over to the bonfire I'd just rested at and jumped off the ledge to my death. That way I would spawn right next to my souls for retrieval.

Was that rude of me?

Only according to the griefers which was probably what invaded you to begin with. De leveling to a low soul level with a +5 chaos iaito, a 10+ stack of humanity, and full havels then going on an invade spree is rude. Killing yourself to protect your soul count is not.

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#48 Edited by TheHT (14965 posts) -

Hell no! Fuck invaders. Buncha jerks.

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#49 Posted by ProfessorK (870 posts) -

Man, as long as you aren't cheating or glitching then really, no-one cares. You shoula at least took him for a jog and ran through as far as you could. Make em work fir it, lol.

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#50 Posted by Forrester90 (932 posts) -

Why not just wait for him at the bonfire and try to fight? The excuse of not wanting to lose your souls is dumb, you'll lose them anyway by committing suicide.

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