What weapons and items do you freaking hate?

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#1 Edited by SethMode (1568 posts) -

So, in contrast to the other thread, what are some weapons and combos that you would recommend that most people avoid? I feel like I've dug into this game enough now (although I admittedly haven't unlocked all of the weapons yet) to know what I think are brilliant weapons and what just dirt stinks.So, number one with a bullet for me, melee wise is the 300 Sandals and the Nutcracker. I LOVE what both of them do in some instances but overall I just hate them. From there, I've hated just about every whip I've had, particularly whatever one pulls people to you in a low damage combo. I'm not a bow dude, but I love the Ice Bow and the shotgun bow, and even the Infantry bow with the right set up, but any other one I've used that requires any amount of hesitation has SUUUCKED (for me). And finally, the Broadsword. IT. CAN. GO. DIE.

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#3 Posted by 49th (3838 posts) -

Not a fan of most of the shields. They either don't block enough damage or they are too slow to pull out or I put myself at risk trying to parry when I could just guarantee no damage by rolling.

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#4 Posted by Justin258 (15418 posts) -

The lightning whip sucks and I don't see myself ever using shields.

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#5 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -

The shields are something I feel like I don't even consider because I just don't get the parry aspect of the game, outside of bosses. 99% of the time you are bombarded on all sides and so shields are just fucking useless.

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#6 Posted by burncoat (498 posts) -

The dual bladed boss weapon is pretty awful and useless. It's way too slow to even get its critical modifier to activate, which is unfortunate because it has great range and the second swing actually comes out pretty fast.

The crusher skill seemed like it could be good, but it's really just a slower, inferior chainsaw skill.

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#7 Posted by Inresurrection (453 posts) -

@sethmode: Dude, I've been wrecking house with the Broadsword. Pair it up with a freeze blast and most enemies go down in a single hit if you've upgraded it at a Blacksmith on your run. Super OP.

So far, the only weapon I haven't been digging is the electric whip. Just a low damage combo from my experience so far.

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#8 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -

@inresurrection: hah fair enough dude! I just can't get used to the damn timing of it!

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#9 Posted by Inresurrection (453 posts) -

@sethmode: Mmmmm it feels so great if you click with the flow of it. Definitely gotta roll a lot with it and find ways to cancel out of combos and get around enemies, but it's got a nice range and a very powerful swing!

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#10 Posted by Humanity (18032 posts) -

My best runs have been with whips so go figure.

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#11 Posted by Inresurrection (453 posts) -

@humanity: And this is one of the many beautiful things about Dead Cells.

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#12 Posted by Quipido (1521 posts) -

Shields for me as well, I forced myself to try a couple but as said above, it's not worth it when you can just dodge everything. The Electric Whip sucks as well, or at least I haven't found a good use for it.

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#13 Edited by militantfreudian (648 posts) -

I don't care much for the Ice Shard, maybe when paired with a ranged weapon that drenches enemies with inflammable oil; otherwise, it's very situational.

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#15 Posted by TobbRobb (6504 posts) -

I haven't played in ages but I never liked the lightning whip or ice hadoken.

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#16 Edited by SethMode (1568 posts) -

I like the idea of Ice Shard, but it's just so slow that it feels tough to use in high intensity situations (which is basically all situations after a point), especially after you unlock the Ice Bow.

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#17 Posted by dudeglove (13531 posts) -

Seeing a lot of electric whip hate but y'all don't realize that thing homes in on enemies and you can spam it out and is super useful at taking out those irritating flying enemies (better to think of it as an infinite use ranged weapon). The regular whip requires keeping a certain distance which isn't so hot.

I've tried using shields more lately and if the parry system is actually nullifying all damage and reflecting all damage then that's far more preferable to a ranged weapon. Daggers and bows are great and all, but if you use up all your ammo on an enemy that still isn't dead after an entire volley (or you don't have piercing), then you're kinda boned. Also the wind up time on some of the bows is a complete joke.

If you had to ask my ideal loadout, it would probably be twin daggers with bleed (damage increase after roll), ice blast, bear trap and a grenade of your choice or slow moving death ball thing. The idea is to lock enemies in place and pile in damage on them. It doesn't work on everything but stopping the bosses from flitting about the place is helpful.

Also fuck the eyeball boss. There's not a single damn weapon in the game that reliably hits that asshole. Except the electric whip but the range is ass.

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#18 Posted by Casepb (470 posts) -

All I know is I got the nutcracker and freeze blast and have gotten way further than I ever have before. I almost feel like I'm cheating lol.

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#19 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -

@dudeglove: that fight was infinitely frustrating for me and even when I finished it it was by the skin of my teeth. There is an aspect of it that feels like if you hit him at the right moment he will hover to the middle? I don't know. It's brutal either way with any kind of close combat focus because he will also throw up that shield thing that does crazy damage if you are in range. Funny enough, for hating in whips, the Valmont whip was what got me through that fight.

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#20 Edited by darkjohnny47 (266 posts) -

The frame rate on the the Switch is the worst weapon against me. I normally don't care about frame rate stuff, but this actually made me sick.

*But, i really like the bows. I wish I had access to more of them though.

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#21 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -

@darkjohnny477: so, not to hijack my own thread but...is it really that bad? I've been thinking of double dipping on it as something to play on the exercise bike at the gym, and I'm not usually one to get bothered by framerate dips, but a lot of people I've seen complain about it have prefaced it with that very statement so I'm a bit gun shy.

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#22 Posted by MocBucket62 (2411 posts) -

I don't really like the shields. I have landed some good parries and projectile counters and that's fun, but I'm bad with the timing and I'll eat some damage too. I much prefer using bows and throwing knifes.

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#23 Posted by gkhan (996 posts) -

@sethmode: No, it's not that bad. I've been playing on Switch, and it's working pretty great. I'm usually very sensitive to this stuff, and while it may not be a solid 60 at all times, the game plays great. If you only plan to play the game on a big-screen TV or whatever, then buy it on PS4 or PC. But if you think you would like it portable, you should absolutely play on the Switch.

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#24 Posted by KillEm_Dafoe (2586 posts) -

I find myself not really caring about shields at all. They can be good in specific instances, and I've used a couple of legendary ones when I get them and liked using them, but dodging is guaranteed to mitigate all damage every time, so I don't really see the purpose of shields long term. The later stages get too chaotic to even consider them. Although I did unlock one earlier that didn't have a parry, but blocks 90% of damage, inflicts a decent amount in return, AND throws a grenade. I almost tried it out but I didn't.

Lotta hate for the electric whips...that seems crazy to me. I love them, even if their combo damage is typically low. They attack so fast, plus they have the auto-targeting which is very useful for hitting dudes on lower or higher platforms without having to aggro them. I had one before that did extra crit damage to frozen enemies, and I had either an ice grenade or Frost Blast at the time, so the whip was just mowing dudes down.

But yeah, I'm not necessarily a huge fan of the Nutcracker or Broadsword, but once you figure out the timing of their attacks they can be very devastating. I just tend to prefer quicker weapons.

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#25 Posted by dudeglove (13531 posts) -

@sethmode: It's about the only thing that has the right range on it and also crits if you hit from the proper distance, though the wind up is irritating. Other weapons are two slow or you can't close the gap, and most trap items/things you can throw/magic are useless. That thing used to be the last boss for a while and had a ridiculous amount of health (even if you did beat it, you got to a silly early access game over screen where you'd get killed and sent back to the beginning). Now in the game's current state it's something of an optional boss that requires taking a specific route to reach, whereas the bridge and clocktower bosses are mandatory to progress (the game funnels you through each one regardless).

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#26 Edited by SethMode (1568 posts) -

@gkhan: Thanks, duder! I already have it for PC, and this would definitely be portable exclusive, so it's good to know someone sensitive to that sort of thing isn't bothered by it. The game feels like the perfect exercise bike distraction so, I'm happy to hear.

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#27 Posted by Efesell (3865 posts) -

I won't take a whip even if it's the only damn weapon I see show up in a run.

Shields though..I don't understand any of y'all who could go without that parry.

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#28 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -

@efesell: more power to you, man. I don't know how anyone can stay calm enough to parry anything from the Ramparts and beyond that isn't a boss.

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#29 Posted by darkjohnny47 (266 posts) -

@sethmode I guess it differs per person, but , like i said, framerate issues don't normally bother me, and after like half an hour, my head felt swimmy. I think it has something to do with the way it moves from screen to screen (room to room, the camera) and the frame rate not being stable, idk.

In retrospect, i should have gotten it on xbox, but it feels like the perfect game for the switch.

Hope that helps

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#30 Posted by SethMode (1568 posts) -
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#31 Posted by RalphMoustaccio (248 posts) -

I do not understand the hate for the electric whip. I love that thing. Its speed and auto-targeting are great. With the right combos of items and modifiers it can wreck stuff very quickly. The Valmont's whip, on the hand, is ass. So, too, the sandals.

As for items, I do not care for buffs, such as corrupted power or vampirism. I just don't see the use, since you can get passive effects via modifiers on weapons and deployable items/grenades/mutations that can provide most of the benefits of those two items.

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#32 Posted by TheRealTurk (324 posts) -

This is going to sound strange, but . . . Legendary Weapons? They're powerful, but every single one I've had drop so far has a "take +100% damage" stinger on it to offset all the other bonuses. I've just found the extra DPS and other bonuses are almost never worth it given that with the debuff even the smaller enemies can sometimes one shot you.

Other than that, I'd say the whips, although they aren't worthless so much as really situational. They're handy against dudes who get a shield and the auto-tracking is helpful against the obnoxious bat-enemies that can be hard to hit otherwise.

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#33 Posted by burncoat (498 posts) -

@therealturk: You can reroll stats on Legendary weapons thankfully and it's fairly cheap.

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#34 Posted by TheRealTurk (324 posts) -

@burncoat: I've tried with the Legendaries, but the option doesn't appear on the reforge screen.

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#35 Posted by haneybd87 (218 posts) -

@darkjohnny477: For me framerate issues will usually make me sick but in this game the real problem is that it screws up my timing and I end up damaged as a result. I don’t run into that problem on PC or XB1X.

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#36 Posted by TheRealTurk (324 posts) -

Alright. Tried the Crusher last night. Hated it. It does a lot of damage for a trap, but it's too slow to fire. The enemies have walked through the effective area by the time it goes off, which means I need to pair it with another tool like a Wolf Trap or Freeze Blast. That makes it pretty useless in my eyes.

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#37 Posted by gkhan (996 posts) -

Alright. Tried the Crusher last night. Hated it. It does a lot of damage for a trap, but it's too slow to fire. The enemies have walked through the effective area by the time it goes off, which means I need to pair it with another tool like a Wolf Trap or Freeze Blast. That makes it pretty useless in my eyes.

Pair it with the Magnetic Grenade, and it's pretty devastating. I like the "sawblades + magnetic grenade" combo better, but the Crusher is pretty fun as well.

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