@JasonR86 said:

You know, I'm sure her heart is in the right place but I think she's in that situation where 'if you look hard enough you'll find anything everywhere you look'. There's an issue in the mental health field where once a disorder or topic becomes 'trendy' so to speak, because it has become heavily researched or emphasized in literature or media, that disorder or topic will start to show itself in clinical work. Bipolar Disorders in children have been heavily researched over the last 10 years or so and, unsurprisingly, diagnosis of Bipolar Disorders in children have risen over the last 10 years or so. The issue being that when one is exposed to something repeatedly over and over again it'll be on the mind and hard to keep out of one's professional judgement.

Anita has made a career out of finding issues of sexism in every form of media as I have made a career out of diagnosing and helping people overcome mental health problems. One of the hardest parts of my job is realizing when I'm not needed.When it is a good time to not diagnose a disorder and to not fall to pressures from my field. To stay a professional even if it means that I lose a paying client in the process. I'm sure the hardest part of Anita's job is saying when a form of media isn't sexist because, from all I've gathered, she doesn't get much publicity when all is well. Negativity leads to productivity at least it seems to be that way from the outside looking in. Even if sexism is apparent in a piece of media determining its severity would be rather hard as well because saying 'it's sexist but, you know, it's not that bad.' because, again, that isn't as enticing as 'it's mad sexist!!!'.

So where I can fail at holding up my end of the bargain at my job I think I do fairly well overall. I try to think about these issues before I do anything with clients. I don't feel confident that Anita goes through this process.I feel like she is a sensationalist and has been reinforced to be so. I don't blame her. She seems to be doing fairly well producing the content she's made and showing this public persona. I just can't feel confident that what she says has much merit. I don't consider her a credible source of intellectual, reasonable information.

It's too bad because she had all this attention to work with. She had such a great opportunity and it feels like she's just wasting it.

Listen to this man. He speaks the truth. Just wanted to throw this back up there, didn't seem like people gave a shit.

@Brodehouse said:

@Oldirtybearon Thank God someone out there brought up post-modern debate methods and why they are completely intellectually corrupt. Thank you, so much.

Just doing God's work.

@EuanDewar said:

im only on page 2 but people are already arguing about arguing

That's GB for you.

@Brodehouse said:

@Oldirtybearon Thank God someone out there brought up post-modern debate methods and why they are completely intellectually corrupt. Thank you, so much.

Just doing God's work.

@algertman said:

Anita Sarkeesian tweeted she hates the game.

https://twitter.com/femfreq

So here's the thing. Since the gaming press is filled with white knights and people who refuse to call her out for not having a single YouTube video ready yet will they start to back track on DmC? This game reviewed well and currently in the mid 80's range on metacritic with reviewers.

Link that shit, son.

Can't say I care much for entitled brats, no matter their gender. I do care for DmC, which is a parody. Weird that she didn't get that.

@Legion_ said:

@algertman said:

Anita Sarkeesian tweeted she hates the game.

https://twitter.com/femfreq

So here's the thing. Since the gaming press is filled with white knights and people who refuse to call her out for not having a single YouTube video ready yet will they start to back track on DmC? This game reviewed well and currently in the mid 80's range on metacritic with reviewers.

Link that shit, son.

Can't say I care much for entitled brats, no matter their gender. I do care for DmC, which is a parody. Weird that she didn't get that

I believe these are the only one she tweeted. Only broad strokes about the game and some insulting stuff against dudes that actually like the game.

Hah, I would call what she does a 'job' but that's an insult to the working class.

@Oldirtybearon said:

@Brodehouse said:

@Oldirtybearon Thank God someone out there brought up post-modern debate methods and why they are completely intellectually corrupt. Thank you, so much.

Just doing God's work.

Well played, sir.

@Video_Game_King said:

@Animasta said:

@patrickklepek is playing fire emblem

I approve of this.

I second that.

Ugh.

You know, I think the misogynistic troll attacks on Sarkesian were pretty fucking disgusting, but I'm really not a fan of hers. Her videos are overly simplistic and easy to pick apart, even if I tend to agree with the overall message she's presenting a lot of the time.

She's also abrasive and utterly humorless and in a way she ends up working against her own cause. It reminds me of a vegan poster I saw recently that shows a factory farm with the caption "THIS IS AUSCHWITZ!" I can see where these people are coming from, but it you act that way, those people who don't already subscribe to your worldview are just going to roll their eyes and walk away. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

It's just a little disappointing that she's become the most prominent voice in feminism on the internet.

@MindOST said:

It's just a little disappointing that she's become the most prominent voice in feminism on the internet.

Is this the case? If so, that's fucking depressing. Her blog and tweets read like an twelve year old's first discovery of the most basic feminist arguments: utterly encapsulated by a one-note, dated argument.

I thought 90% of the user base here really liked Anita and was defending her pretty hard during that big feminism fiasco last year. Why are all of you talking in hushed tones and telling people to stop talking about her now?

huh... k. Just ignore the fact that a woman (was her name Kat?) was rather pushed hard especially at the end as being one of the heroes.

@LooseChange said:

@posh said:

@Demoskinos said:

@LooseChange

Am I the only who feels like the industry just discovered the word "misogyny" like two years ago and are just throwing out FOR EVERYTHING?

Yep. Its past the point of ridiculous. Its the new hip issue! Seriously at the drop of a hat the sexism and misogyny words get thrown around anymore.

you ever think the way to approach it is that the media is finally waking up to these issues?

too many 4chan users on this site throwing around words like "white knight". try growing out of it like most people did at 15

So the new Dante in the DmC game hates women?

Did you even read the tweet? She never mentions misogyny, which is different from sexism.

@LooseChange said:

@posh said:

@Demoskinos said:

@LooseChange

Am I the only who feels like the industry just discovered the word "misogyny" like two years ago and are just throwing out FOR EVERYTHING?

Yep. Its past the point of ridiculous. Its the new hip issue! Seriously at the drop of a hat the sexism and misogyny words get thrown around anymore.

you ever think the way to approach it is that the media is finally waking up to these issues?

too many 4chan users on this site throwing around words like "white knight". try growing out of it like most people did at 15

So the new Dante in the DmC game hates women?

I was only addressing your post, I haven't played DmC, so I wouldn't know. but misogyny doesn't always necessitate overt hatred of women, that's naive to think. it implies it in the way women are treated

Maybe she's just tweeting dumb shit cause she knows people will make threads about it?

Or she's an idiot, one of the two.

What does she do exactly? I know she made a ton of money on Kickstarter... has she done anything yet? Judging by her Twitter account she just lashes out at games, and the devs behind them, she doesn't like. Certainly NOT the type of person who deserves to have their opinion talked about.

Oh no!

Moving on

@Brodehouse said:

@Oldirtybearon Thank God someone out there brought up post-modern debate methods and why they are completely intellectually corrupt. Thank you, so much.

Just doing God's work.

@Oldirtybearon

@Brodehouse said:

@Oldirtybearon Thank God someone out there brought up post-modern debate methods and why they are completely intellectually corrupt. Thank you, so much.

Just doing God's work.

Thanks , Bob.

If I make a snarky youtube video about how Gears of War is sexist towards men, does that mean I get to be a flash in the pan too? Cause it's kind of a life goal

@LooseChange said:

@posh said:

@Demoskinos said:

@LooseChange

Am I the only who feels like the industry just discovered the word "misogyny" like two years ago and are just throwing out FOR EVERYTHING?

Yep. Its past the point of ridiculous. Its the new hip issue! Seriously at the drop of a hat the sexism and misogyny words get thrown around anymore.

you ever think the way to approach it is that the media is finally waking up to these issues?

too many 4chan users on this site throwing around words like "white knight". try growing out of it like most people did at 15

So the new Dante in the DmC game hates women?

I was only addressing your post, I haven't played DmC, so I wouldn't know. but misogyny doesn't always necessitate overt hatred of women, that's naive to think. it implies it in the way women are treated

I'm gonna have to go with the general consensus here. I don't really care what she has to say, whether it's about DmC or sexism. I can just feel the sensationalism brewing within her.

@Fallen189 said:

If I make a snarky youtube video about how Gears of War is sexist towards men, does that mean I get to be a flash in the pan too? Cause it's kind of a life goal

Make a Kickstarter about it first, then do absolutely nothing with the money, but still talk about sexism towards men. Use as broad of strokes as possible.

Fucking hilarious. Why does anyone care what this person says after all the shit that went down with her and her kickstarter project?

So I wish she really explained what examples there were of sexism in the game because I've played it twice over now and I can't really think of anything. There are only a couple of example that might be considered sexism if you REALLY reach for it. Kat isn't walking around in a bathing suit and is actually very covered up in terms of videogame standards. The story uses Kat as a support role helping out with things that aren't in the limbo side, which if you think about it, makes sense because SHE'S NOT A FUCKING NEPHLIM. Also if we're talking about the ending,

Spoiler: Vegil doesn't "throw away" Kat, he's setting aside humans as a whole in the "needs protection" group. That's why he wants to rule.

So unless someone gives me exact examples that she pointed out I'm going to be in my own corner raging at how overblow all this feminist talk in videogames is.

@bonbolapti: I'm fascinated by why you say that? I actually found her to be the best written character in the game. Granted she doesn't have much of an arc but to say that she's badly written and sets women back is a bit much.

The fact that its called feminist frequency is enough to make me never read whatever its about.

@Spike_Kojima said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

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This is the only proper response to this thread.

@smokeyd123:

Thanks man.

@algertman said:

Anita Sarkeesian tweeted she hates the game.

https://twitter.com/femfreq

So here's the thing. Since the gaming press is filled with white knights and people who refuse to call her out for not having a single YouTube video ready yet will they start to back track on DmC? This game reviewed well and currently in the mid 80's range on metacritic with reviewers.

What was your purpose for posting this exactly? Why did FF "hate" the game? This thread's all surface with not a bit of useful information to it, besides pointlessly hating on someone who's criticized our precious hobby.

@algertman: She's entitled to her opinion.

@DanteFaustEsq: Surely you could have found a better way to tell me why you think she's a good character. Snark interrupts civil discourse too much over the internet! hahaha.

The way I felt about it is, the character just clashes with herself too much. Her design is bubbly and fragile, she hides half of her body but wears shorts that hike up to her ass crack. The writers used her to be nothing more than a tool to force emotion out of you, but it didn't connect with me because I was to distracted by her 'daddy issues' (I'm using that term loosely here) and she never does anything for her self. I couldn't stand it. she spent the entire game being a whimper.

@Sjosz said:

@algertman: She's entitled to her opinion.

It's not an opinion she raised over 150k over kickstarter and has yet to put out one video.

@Bribo: I'd do it with you..the sex, that is.

@algertman: When you say she hates the game, that is her opinion, and she's entitled to it. Whatever's happening surrounding her kickstarter thing is entirely unrelated to that.

Damn, DmC just cant catch a break.

@JackSukeru said:

@NoelVeiga said:

Probably not worth continuing on one of those back-and-forth online forum discussions, though, so preemptive agreement to disagree here after I say my piece, alright? Of course feel free to respond, but if we start breaking down everything each other says multiple times this will be a huge thread and it's probably not worth it.

That's a shame, I've read pretty much the entire thread and your conversation was the only worthwhile thing in it.

As a fan of the game, thanks! I feel like I learned a lot.

Thanks :)

I don't think you're missing out, though. Both me and Olddirty put our case forward pretty thoroughly, and I think we both made decent points. I don't think anybody is gaining much by seeing us repeat them a few times.

I literally couldn't care less what she said.

I must have missed out on the drama surrounding this woman, and for that I feel grateful.

and don't care.

@algertman said:

@Sjosz said:

@algertman: She's entitled to her opinion.

It's not an opinion she raised over 150k over kickstarter and has yet to put out one video.

I don't have a problem with someone making money from dumb people, that said I think she sort of looking at this at too narrow a glass. The misogyny exists as a plot device at least with Dante, and by the end of the game there's resolution that maybe being a degenerate piece of shit isn't the way for him to continue living his life.

For a story about Angels and fucking Demons it handles it really well. It could have kept being what that opening section was and never winked one iota.

@stryker1121 said:

@algertman said:

Anita Sarkeesian tweeted she hates the game.

https://twitter.com/femfreq

So here's the thing. Since the gaming press is filled with white knights and people who refuse to call her out for not having a single YouTube video ready yet will they start to back track on DmC? This game reviewed well and currently in the mid 80's range on metacritic with reviewers.

What was your purpose for posting this exactly? Why did FF "hate" the game? This thread's all surface with not a bit of useful information to it, besides pointlessly hating on someone who's criticized our precious hobby.

That's basically what this guy does. Or is that Terramagi... I tend to mix the two up. One of these guys has a habit of trying to stir up hatemongering with threads anywhoo. Not that I disagree with the overall sentiment as I personally can't stand her. But yeah, there's no need for this.

I'm just wondering when women will stop talking and actually do something about the state of the industry and begin setting up their own studios to counter this shit. In the era of Greenlights, Kickstarters, Humble Bundles, studios like CD Projekt and other countless opportunities it seems like the most logical course of action. Was everyone asleep when riot grrrl happened? For fuck's sake. Corin Tucker sang "culture is what we make it", so please, make it. I for one would like to see more women in the industry, taking a more active role. Especially when someone like Rhianna Pratchett is in the fucking spotlight.

So far, the only thing "raising awareness" did in the last year was muddling the discussion and arranging platforms for talking heads which accomplish exactly nothing. Oh, and it created endless opportunities for white knighting and crying wolf - I still can't get over the reaction to the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer.

It's important, but it's not enough. Raise awareness to opportunities for making games, because that  will actually work and change the industry one day. I'm studying video game design and the ratio of women is pretty high - at a parallel course (but focusing on art and engines), there are more girls than guys. And all of them are normal girls actually interested in the subject matter and most importantly, in different capacities.

@Ghostiet said:

I'm just wondering when women will stop talking and actually do something about the state of the industry and begin setting up their own studios to counter this shit. In the era of Greenlights, Kickstarters, Humble Bundles, studios like CD Projekt and other countless opportunities it seems like the most logical course of action. Was everyone asleep when riot grrrl happened? For fuck's sake. Corin Tucker sang "culture is what we make it", so please, make it. I for one would like to see more women in the industry, taking a more active role. Especially when someone like Rhianna Pratchett is in the fucking spotlight.

So far, the only thing "raising awareness" did in the last year was muddling the discussion and arranging platforms for talking heads which accomplish exactly nothing. Oh, and it created endless opportunities for white knighting and crying wolf - I still can't get over the reaction to the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer.

It's important, but it's not enough. Raise awareness to opportunities for making games, because that will actually work and change the industry one day. I'm studying video game design and the ratio of women is pretty high - at a parallel course (but focusing on art and engines), there are more girls than guys. And all of them are normal girls actually interested in the subject matter and most importantly, in different capacities.

fucking exactly.

its the internet, and this is giantbomb a website thats about fun (jeff said this a majority of times), a majority of us (id like to think its a majority of us based on the rage on those stories) use this site as a form of "escapism" and come here for the content, we dont wanna hear about this stuff.

if this is such a problem for women, then they need to actually do something rather than posting on the internet

I haven't played DmC yet, but she tends to throw out "misogyny" very easily and too frequently when there isn't any misogyny in other things she's labeled as such. She is the boygirl woman who cried wolf.

This is a placeholder until I can be bothered to think of some witty comment.....

I think she might have a bit of a case if what @NoelVeiga said was true. From what I've read and seen, there's more than a few things in the game that could be taken as sexist, especially in regards to its portrayal of Kat.

fucking exactly.

its the internet, and this is giantbomb a website thats about fun (jeff said this a majority of times), a majority of us (id like to think its a majority of us based on the rage on those stories) use this site as a form of "escapism" and come here for the content, we dont wanna hear about this stuff.

if this is such a problem for women, then they need to actually do something rather than posting on the internet