EVO 2K15 games announced!

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#51  Edited By justicejanitor

Looks like I'm one of the few that's happy to see two Smash games. They might be from the same series but they are very different beasts and attract different kind of players. I know, you can say that about any fighting game series but hey, I'm a big Smash fan.

@nathanxplosion : I doubt the Smash community will let go of Melee anytime soon. The overall reception from Smash 4 is pretty positive so far in a "It's better than Brawl" sort of way. For me personally, it's probably my favorite Smash game next to Project M. At higher level play, Melee is still a happy accident that allows for more impressive technical play, making it a "faster" and "deeper" game to some. I prefer playing Smash 4 and I like watching tournaments but Project M and Melee are still considered THE competitive "tryhard/hardcore" Smash games.

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Two ArcSys fighters and two smash games? huh. Welp, I can't wait to watch the Melee finals go 2 hours over schedule or whatever, though I will at least check out the Smash 4 stuff since I haven't seen a lot of that on a competitive level. Bummed about the lack of KoF, hope MK X is more entertaining to watch at a high level than MK 9 and Injustice were.

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@arbitrarywater: I think MK X depends on whether it's somewhat balanced or not (hint: It won't be). Definitely going to have to figure out something else to do for 5-6 hours on EVO Top 8 day until Marvel/USFIV.

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They should start Melee now to make sure it stays on schedule

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Aww having no BlazBlue just made me realize that we won't get to see Pop's insane Platinum. I hope he enters in another game.

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Is there even a chance of them changing the rules for Smash? Because if what I hear is right, Smash WiiU matches would be even longer because than Melee, and I can't take that.

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no KoF

Marvel yet again (Seriously, no more X factor Vergil sword supers with Doom hidden missiles and Soulfist Soulfist Soulfist. Enough's enough :| )

Melee (great, really supportive community but matches are boring as shit to watch and roster has little variety. I'm expecting a finals to at least include Fox McCloud)

would rather see DoA Last Round make it over Melee but oh well. Maybe there will be side tourneys

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I don't know if this is the place for it, but I would really like to see a game like TowerFall represented. I had hours upon hours of fun with that game this year with friends and things would get really heated and enjoyable. I don't know if you can define it as a fighting game but I would love to see it in a tournament somewhere!

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#62  Edited By PerfidiousSinn

@billythekid said:

I don't know if this is the place for it, but I would really like to see a game like TowerFall represented. I had hours upon hours of fun with that game this year with friends and things would get really heated and enjoyable. I don't know if you can define it as a fighting game but I would love to see it in a tournament somewhere!

Evo typically has a space for indie games. In fact, Towerfall was at that space at last year's event! http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/20/evo-2014-indie-game-showcase-revealed

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Fucking Smash Brothers.

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#64  Edited By Chylo

EVO 2014 registration numbers by game

Ultra Street Fighter 4 - 1,979

Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - 1,014

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 970

BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma - 508

Killer Instinct - 338

King of Fighters 13 - 319

Injustice: Gods Among Us - 311

Tekken Tag Tournament 2 - 257

Bottom 3 games were cut. KI is a rather new game which has room to grow, especially with its second season. The number of BBCP entrants was inflated last year by Aksys' ridiculous pot bonuses.

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@recspec: They said on stream they they were looking to make matches shorter and at least crack down on pre-match stuff like taking 5 minutes to choose a stage or button check. Also most of the (very few) Smash 4 matches I've watched have been going by the online rules of 2 stocks versus 4 and have generally lasted as long as a longer Street Fighter 4 set so hopefully things will be better this year.

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Sucks to see FGC people unhappy about all the smash. Over in smash land, we are estatic and we are passionate bunch. So much in fact I don't think Evo limiting the stocks on melee would go at all. I'd personally be upset. I think the solution is with shorter hand warmers and quicker counter pick choices.

That said, I could live with 3 stock Melee. Any less than that would butcher the game.

People who only watch smash at evo are skeqed about how long it takes because we got Armada vs Hungrybox twice. A select few match up in the game are quite long I agree but some are lighting quick. So 2 stock in many matches could end in half a minute and one of the main aspects of smash is holding stocks and the ability for comebacks that way. 2 Stock smash 4 works because it keeps these elements due to the much slower pace of the game.

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Really Melee needs to be spun off into oblivion. How old is it by now? One Smash is enough and sometimes I really doubt Smash even belongs in EVO. Anyway, I'm excited for Tekken 7!!!

I also hope they do a stealth announcement for Marvel vs. Capcom 4. Sony shouod jump on Marvel too.

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#68  Edited By PrivodOtmenit

It says a lot about what Nintendo have done with Smash if people are still preferring to play Melee over a decade later.

@mystyr_e said:

no KoF

Marvel yet again (Seriously, no more X factor Vergil sword supers with Doom hidden missiles and Soulfist Soulfist Soulfist. Enough's enough :| )

Melee (great, really supportive community but matches are boring as shit to watch and roster has little variety. I'm expecting a finals to at least include Fox McCloud)

would rather see DoA Last Round make it over Melee but oh well. Maybe there will be side tourneys

Marvel is stale but still more fun to watch than most of the other games, not everybody uses Vergil, Doom, Morrigan, even though yeah I absolutely hate watching Vergil and Doom at this point.

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KoF13 is literally the reason I've cared about EVO at all the last couple of years. I enjoy watching the ridiculousness of MvC3 just for the sake of it, but honestly, nothing else interests me. P4AU is going to be boring as fuck, as it's basically a pool of four characters that will be chosen. I would've rather see Blazblue.

I'll be curious to see how Guilty Gear goes.

Just not excited about this, though...

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#70  Edited By GERALTITUDE

Awesome! Time to get hype.

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I completely do not understand anyone who watches Melee and thinks its boring. It's an insanely fast fighting game which is incredibly technical if people actually bothered to care. The new Smash makes no sense to be on stage. It is incredibly slow and will turn off people who don't want to watch a slow ass game.

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I completely do not understand anyone who watches Melee and thinks its boring. It's an insanely fast fighting game which is incredibly technical if people actually bothered to care. The new Smash makes no sense to be on stage. It is incredibly slow and will turn off people who don't want to watch a slow ass game.

Sure, the moment to moment action is very fast and twitchy, but the matches just overall take far too long. The stage selection alone takes forever and the people playing are so good at blocking, dodging, and recoveries that it takes forever to eliminate even a single stock.

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I'm sure they were in a bind with Smash. If they didn't have both there would be a bunch of people freaking out because a lot of competitive Smash players are insane. Glad to see my anime fighters though and hopefully side tourneys for KOF. I have no idea why Marvel is still so popular. It's easily with Melee for most boring game.

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Sucks that we don't get KoF, but Guilty Gear has me pretty excited. It goes without saying that Mahvel (baby) has me hyped too.

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Losing Injustice, BlazBlue, and TTT2 all make sense as there will be essentially new versions of all of them. Having two Smash games and no KOF is pretty lame though. Nothing against the Smash community but from a pure viewing standpoint KOF has been way more entertaining to watch for non-players then Smash has been. I understand they were probably at a difficult position with Smash, deciding between Wii U and Melee, but cutting KOF is not what I think was the best choice.

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#76  Edited By TobbRobb

I would have liked UNIEL and KOF13, but I guess GGXRD and MKX will cover my tangential curiosity pretty well. USF4 is the only thing that matters to me anyways.

I guess having more games I don't want to watch this year isn't all bad. I can live somewhat of a normal life without feeling like I'm missing something.

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#77  Edited By StarvingGamer

@jakob187: I heard the latest patch in Japan for Persona has really improved things.

@zella: The KoF scene in America has evaporated. There simply isn't anyone playing.

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#78  Edited By overnow

Personally my problem with Smash is that the mechanics that are key to pro level play are what make it brutal to watch. The game has great mobility, to the point where I think it's more fun seeing people use that to avoid getting hit. The blocking/dodging system is what makes it hard to watch for me. It's interesting how polarizing it is though. It seems like people either love it or don't even want it in EVO.

Also it's irritating to me that a game I've enjoyed so much, in KOF is gone but there are 2 games from the same series in. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that both Smash games individually do better than KOF from a viewer/competitor perspective, but I still would like it to be in.

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#79  Edited By TrafalgarLaw

Melee is just boring to watch. For starters, the game is generally considered a party game for some casual fun. That some people found the mechanics to be worthy of high level competitive play is fine and all but doesn't make it any fun to watch. EVO is more about spectacle than 'omg he did a 1 frame block with pikachu!'. I am a very good Tekken player but watching Tekken at EVO bores me. On the other hand, I always watch Marvel because it looks so awesome but I absolutely suck at the game itself.

Melee is a 10+ year old game with very little relevance today. The 1 vs. 1 fights look absolutely boring. A battle royale would be more interesting. Also, the top players are not good entertainers or interesting personalities. I don't expect everyone to be a FChamp or Ageojoe on camera, but more often than not the players are wearing pikachu hats. Now that's just awkward. Melee might have a close community or whatever, but they should hold their own EVO or something. Smash Bros U is fine however. Melee is dated as fuck.

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I'm pretty sure that they are just testing the waters to see if there is any interest in Smash 4 for EVO. It'll probably get cut next year if it doesn't give out any results. That's a lot of cash to be spending on Wii U units and game discs for something that garners half the audience of Melee though.

Why does it take 5 minutes to button check and pick a stage anyway?

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Seems like a good, albeit a bit odd choice of games! Looking forward to it

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#83  Edited By L1GHTN1N

@trafalgarlaw: I don't love watching Melee either but saying it shouldn't be there is silly. Sure many people see it more as a party game; there's also tons of people who play Marvel the same way, when I play with friends most of them have no interest in learning combos or how the mechanics actually work, they just throw it on simple and watch the pretty lights. The same could be said of Mortal Kombat which has far more casual players than competitive, or really any fighting game (the people who play seriously are still a minority) but that sure as hell doesn't mean they're just some causal party garbage. There's plenty of people who play Starcraft II and never touch the online instead just playing custom games, or people who only play Gun Game in CS:GO, or grab a couple of Warthogs in Halo and slam them into each other and think SWAT is dumb but none of those things dimmish their viability as a competitive game.

Also Smash has its own "Evo" in the form of Apex which is happening this weekend. Melee hit 1024 entries, and would have gotten more if that wasn't the cap (Marvel only had 1014 last year at Evo for the record). While you say it has little relevance today, it's one of the few 10+ year fighting games (and yes it's a fighting game) that not only are we still talking about today, but has a growing community that is likely the second largest after Street Fighter. And while you find it boring to watch, Melee is one of the highest watched games at Evo every year (last year peaked it peaked at 137,800 versus Marvel's 149,470) so there's certainly an audience that enjoys watching it even if that doesn't include you and me.

And even if it's boring to watch, who gives a fuck? Evo is not about the spectacle, if that was the case Injustice (and arguably Street Fighter depending on who you ask) wouldn't have lasted a year and KoFXIII would be there even though no one in the US plays it anymore (which is why it was excluded). It's a chance for the various fighting game communities to come together, celebrate, and more importantly find out who's the best in their community (which is of course the goal of any tournament), not just in their area but in the world. The sight and spectacle are nice but Evo has never been for the stream monsters, it's for the people who actually play the damn game, which I love. You may not find the more technical side that the top players bring interesting but for a lot of people such as myself that is part of the draw. I want to see the best of the best, I want to see that advanced tech that I didn't even know existed and players do things in the game I didn't know were possible; I want to walk away and learn a dozen things I can incorporate into my own play, with motivation to pick up and try a new game, or even just with a new respect for a game I viewed as simple.

And even if none of that matters to you , don't watch for a few hours. Go for a walk, grab food, and take a break from watching all the other awesome games there.

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Kinda new to Evo. First I heard of it was Diago vs Woolie lol, but I would have imagined DOA5 would have made it?

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#85  Edited By BabyChooChoo

@laflux: I think there's going to be a side tourney or something put on by Team Ninja, but nah, it's not one of EVO's official games. As a fan of the game, it's sad to say, but DOA numbers kinda usually range from terrible to meh both in terms of tournament signups and viewership.

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