" @VelvetLore04 said:

" Dragon Age Origins: Awakening was an add-on. All it was was a side story with some (awesome, though not many) new skills, characters, and world (smaller in both scope an size).  Fallout: New Vegas isn't an add on. It may use the same engine as Fallout 3 but that doesn't make it an add on. "

You haven't really explained why DAOA, with its entirely new world, new crafting system, new cast of characters, and new story using the same engine is different than this. You just kind of said they were. As far as I can tell the only difference is you're not able to carry over your character. But then, you used a new character in Operation Anchorage. You people seem to be downplaying how substantial expansions can be. The King's Bounty expansions were just as big as the original game with an all new character on the other side of the world. What made them expansions was using a lot of the same assets.  "

" Their loss, really. If they had any interest in it, they would have done research or wait till they have confirmation. "

This thread has tempted me to buy it even though I didn't like FO3 much and had no interest in FNV

I just love reading all the comments of people who only ever played Fallout3 or never set foot on the NMA boards.
It's like watching preschoolers try to talk smack to each other about who knows more calculus.

You can't compare a game with a full dev cycle to an expansion pack when it comes to game length, you just can't. Most F3 addons added what, 2 hours tops to the story? This promises at least 20 hours of main quest.

" -New Companions; Ever NEW GAME needs a few new friends. There are 8 Companions. Here is the Companions  "

Who cares? Those who have that mindset aren't going to be swayed with words. We'll just enjoy the game, and they'll figure it out sometime in a few years.

" @ryanwho said:

" @VelvetLore04 said:

" Dragon Age Origins: Awakening was an add-on. All it was was a side story with some (awesome, though not many) new skills, characters, and world (smaller in both scope an size).  Fallout: New Vegas isn't an add on. It may use the same engine as Fallout 3 but that doesn't make it an add on. "

You haven't really explained why DAOA, with its entirely new world, new crafting system, new cast of characters, and new story using the same engine is different than this. You just kind of said they were. As far as I can tell the only difference is you're not able to carry over your character. But then, you used a new character in Operation Anchorage. You people seem to be downplaying how substantial expansions can be. The King's Bounty expansions were just as big as the original game with an all new character on the other side of the world. What made them expansions was using a lot of the same assets.  "

   The world was considerably smaller an filled with less to do. The characters, other than Nathaniel and Sigrun weren't nearly up to par with the cast of Origins because of the lack of anything resembling the conversation system; it just became "give gift to get some small backstory or bring them to a place in Amaranthine to possibly gain minor affection'' rather than 'get to know these guys over the course of the game'. It streamlined the process at the expense of character development. The area may have been new, but it didn't feel as vibrant and alive as Origins did. The story didn't feel like it was fleshed out and your decisions, outside of the one at the end, never felt like they had any bearing on the world as a whole. By the time you got to the last dungeon you started to wonder why you were doing this outside of "Welp, I'm a Warden so I kind of have to do this" until before the last boss where they decided to explain everything. After making the choice the game just ends. There was nothing really impactful like, say, the Landsmeet. It really felt more like a series of fetch quests with a loose plot thread tying everything together until the end when it becomes a knot. The crafting system, when you got right down to it, was just a slightly more complicated potion making system. Awakening had a really weird pacing to it especially since it ended just as it was getting the most interesting.    It was still a fun game, but it felt more like an expansion pack, which it was and was advertised as.  New Vegas isn't an expansion pack or add on. It would be fine if it was, but it isn't. It's a new game that just so happens to share the same mechanics as the game before it. Calling it an add on is just selling the game short. For all intents and purposes, it's Fallout 4. "

" @Fudgeblood: I want to know where you get the mod that completely changes the setting and environment. "

" @DrPockets000 said:

" @Fudgeblood: I want to know where you get the mod that completely changes the setting and environment. "

Oblivion and Fallout 3 both have a ton of quest modules that add a ton of collective content in addition to the texture mods that completely change how the game looks. Was this supposed to be a trump card? Do half a second of research. "

Every sequel's a addon or dlc according to everyone apparently. People spend years making games cut them a little slack yeesh.

I had no idea people had problems with this game. It's not Left 4 Dead 2 where I could kind of understand why everyone was being stupid, it's 2 years later and very obviously much much bigger.

" Every sequel's a addon or dlc according to everyone apparently. People spend years making games cut them a little slack yeesh. "

I can honestly say that until about 5 minutes ago, I thought this was DLC. 
 
Admittedly, I haven't payed much attention to New Vegas, but I've watched a good hour or two of gameplay, and I honestly thought it was just DLC.  it looks EXACTLY the same.  Why pay $60 for something that could have easily been added into the original?  It's just new scenery, weapons, and quests.  All the DLC for Fallout 3 already did that, and they didn't need an entire game to achieve that. 

Alright, Total Conversion. Call it whatever you want.