Unprofessional journalism on GB

Not for nothing but today's GB has proved the point about how unprofessional the guys are with their journalism.   This is something that has been going on for some time now and it really upsets me that they continue to do it.

     First off if you are going to have a topic on your pod-cast have all the information about said topic in-front of you so that you can clearly relay the info to your listeners.  Point in case,  in this week they talk about WoW's new promotion. They only give half the facts about the promotion and Jeff then goes on a tirade about how this trivializes his experience with the game and how this is (in his mind) a stupid move.   (I would at this time like to say I have played WoW but i am no longer playing but still keep up with whats going on with the game from time to time)  You would think they would have talked about what was going to be on the pod-cast before and everyone would do the research so that they will be informed and give everyone a clear understanding.   

     I am pretty sure that even they guys at penny arcade would make sure they knew what they were talking about before they made a comic strip of the topic.  I make the penny arcade correlation cause GB and PA take a more comic approach to the gaming world.   I love the funny moments of GB its why i come here,  but when you get up on your soapbox and preach at least do the work to justify what your saying.    I don't care for when you get preachy about things, cause sometimes you prech one thing then go right back and say something contrary.  Case in point,  the Soulcalibur tie in with Star Wars,  yes its a promotional thing we all know that,  But what is MK vs DC?  Its the same thing isn't it?  Why are you not jumping all over them?  (i am nether a Soulcalibur fan nor a MK fan)

     I will say this,  I applaud Jeff for picking up Madden,  i hope he can stay neutral and write a far review of the game.  It really hurts to have to write this cause i do really like the site and you guys.  just please know what your talking about before you talk about it to your audience.

(I know these are just my views and maybe i am the only one that sees this happing,  so please don't post on here if you have nothing intelligent to add) 
PS: don't know why i put it on the PC page, just kind of happend.

I think you have the idea of a Podcast all wrong. It's not an article. It's 4 guys talking.

I'm pretty sure the GB podcast isn't really a raw news program more than it is a bunch of editors' reactions to the world of gaming.

And MK vs. DC is completely different than the Star Wars characters in Soul Calibur IV. MK vs. DC is just that; Mortal Kombat characters fighting against DC characters. But Soul Calibur IV is not "Soul Calibur vs. Star Wars," and I think his main argument was that Yoda/DV don't belong in the context of the game. Besides, MK vs. DC isn't even out yet.

The GB podcast isn't really a news program as such it's just the editors talking about the world of gaming while allowing the world to hear them.

Well I also think that the fact are importent but as long as they keep say "I like peeing on stuff" I am more than happy. And I come to GiantBomb for the humor. And becouse I think that me and Jeff and ryan have some what of the same tast in Games. So I think that there opinion on game matter and helps me. But I dont thing this guys are unprofessinal.

GiantBomb isn't a corporate machine; they're doing what they want, and it--truly--feels like a much more leveled experience. It's much more translatable, to me, when the guys on the podcast don't have to hold back and can just talk about gaming gamer-to-gamer.

I swear any time you see some fellow with Xs on both ends of his name he will always be a moron.

I call it "McPlated's Law"

"I think you have the idea of a Podcast all wrong. It's not an article. It's 4 guys talking."

I like there raw unedited style, It's what GB is. They can pretty much go on with whatever the hell they want, and it`s alot different from most gaming sites, who else talks about energy drinks and has a deer with a wrestling mask on there wall?

Ah but if they didn't get things wrong, you wouldn't have had a topic to create! See they were thinking about you. They thought out beforehand - 'lets get the facts wrong, then xxNBxx can create a thread.

"Ah but if they didn't get things wrong, you wouldn't have had a topic to create! See they were thinking about you. They thought out beforehand - 'lets get the facts wrong, then xxNBxx can create a thread."

If you must view the podcast in the same light as an article then you at least have to realise it is in an editorial style, not a regular news/review style

I for one hate it when people just talk like robots about topics in there podcasts, makes me go to sleep in minutes. that's why I like stuff like game scoop and the bombcast. They don't take things to serious, but keep me interested the hole time because it feels like a conversation rather than a BBC news room.

I agree, but this has been part of Jeff Gerstmann's career. Did any of you ever see the review headline for MGS on Gamespot? He gives it an 8.6, but the title is something along the lines of "It only takes 3 hours to beat." He doesn't even mention anything about the game other than how long it takes to complete: his only gripe. That's retarded.

However, I didn't come here for Jeff. I came here because I got banned from Gamespot and I wanted a forum. Here I am.

A podcast is not journalism.
Stop being so uptight.

The main point of a headline is to grab attention, not convey information.  Pretty basic journalistic concept really.

"The main point of a headline is to grab attention, not convey information.  Pretty basic journalistic concept really.
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As everyone else said, you're missing the whole point of the podcast, and the site in general. Giant Bomb isn't about the hard facts, sales figures, and corperate shit, its 4 guys talking about games, and having fun doing it. The Giant Bombcast is one of the most relaxed podcasts I listen to, and everyone just gives their honest opinions. Theres plenty of places you can go to learn the hard facts about news stories, this isn't one of them.

At the end of the day.. did you read the article?   If you did.. then mission complete.

I can see what you mean, but I think it is a very minor complaint - a little bit of fanboy baiting is ALWAYS good for business

It`s really one of the only podcasts I can just sit down and listen to without dyign from boredom, I remember listening to a Podcast on some mmo-site, and holy shit there like mono-tone slave robots working for a communist government, GB is a breathe of fresh air as far as gaming websites and podcasts go.

These guys are people with good personalities and interesting clear opinions on the gaming scene. Its great to hear about it, and the news they decide to bring along with them. GB is doing a fucking awesome job! Chill its not the 6pm news, that shit is boring anyway!

  Case in point,  the Soulcalibur tie in with Star Wars,  yes its a promotional thing we all know that,  But what is MK vs DC?  Its the same thing isn't it?  Why are you not jumping all over them?  (i am nether a Soulcalibur fan nor a MK fan)

I think everyone is taking too much for granted here. If people do not question the standards in play then there is no requirement for the site to improve. Nothing to drive Jeff, Ryan, Brad or Vinny to improve.

xxNBxx has a point, the podcast is usually funny and light on the facts. The guys usually don't have all the facts. Humour is one of the main attractions of the podcast and this site and I think it works really well.

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I will say this,  I applaud Jeff for picking up Madden,  i hope he can stay neutral and write a far review of the game.  It really hurts to have to write this cause i do really like the site and you guys.  just please know what your talking about before you talk about it to your audience.

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"I agree, but this has been part of Jeff Gerstmann's career. Did any of you ever see the review headline for MGS on Gamespot? He gives it an 8.6, but the title is something along the lines of "It only takes 3 hours to beat." He doesn't even mention anything about the game other than how long it takes to complete: his only gripe. That's retarded.

However, I didn't come here for Jeff. I came here because I got banned from Gamespot and I wanted a forum. Here I am."

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Not for nothing but today's GB has proved the point about how unprofessional the guys are with their journalism.   This is something that has been going on for some time now and it really upsets me that they continue to do it.

     First off if you are going to have a topic on your pod-cast have all the information about said topic in-front of you so that you can clearly relay the info to your listeners.  Point in case,  in this week they talk about WoW's new promotion. They only give half the facts about the promotion and Jeff then goes on a tirade about how this trivializes his experience with the game and how this is (in his mind) a stupid move.   (I would at this time like to say I have played WoW but i am no longer playing but still keep up with whats going on with the game from time to time)  You would think they would have talked about what was going to be on the pod-cast before and everyone would do the research so that they will be informed and give everyone a clear understanding.   

     I am pretty sure that even they guys at penny arcade would make sure they knew what they were talking about before they made a comic strip of the topic.  I make the penny arcade correlation cause GB and PA take a more comic approach to the gaming world.   I love the funny moments of GB its why i come here,  but when you get up on your soapbox and preach at least do the work to justify what your saying.    I don't care for when you get preachy about things, cause sometimes you prech one thing then go right back and say something contrary.  Case in point,  the Soulcalibur tie in with Star Wars,  yes its a promotional thing we all know that,  But what is MK vs DC?  Its the same thing isn't it?  Why are you not jumping all over them?  (i am nether a Soulcalibur fan nor a MK fan)

     I will say this,  I applaud Jeff for picking up Madden,  i hope he can stay neutral and write a far review of the game.  It really hurts to have to write this cause i do really like the site and you guys.  just please know what your talking about before you talk about it to your audience.

(I know these are just my views and maybe i am the only one that sees this happing,  so please don't post on here if you have nothing intelligent to add) 
PS: don't know why i put it on the PC page, just kind of happend.

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"I think everyone is taking too much for granted here. If people do not question the standards in play then there is no requirement for the site to improve. Nothing to drive Jeff, Ryan, Brad or Vinny to improve.

xxNBxx has a point, the podcast is usually funny and light on the facts. The guys usually don't have all the facts. Humour is one of the main attractions of the podcast and this site and I think it works really well."

The PodCast is just 4 guys who work on this site casually shooting the shit, it isn't exactly the Times.

Stop taking yourself so seriously.

moved to Bombcast

OP: I won't say you're wrong per se, but if you're coming to this site (at this point) for "journalism," you seriously need to add some sites to the Games folder in your Bookmarks.

On any website on any podcast you are going to hear peoples opinions.  You are not listening to a news broadcast.  They are talking to each other and you are listening to their conversation.  If you need all the information on a topic look up that topic yourself. 

Internet it's srs bizness.

The GB editors are all very proffesional, the podcast is as much for entertainment as it is information. I visit Kotaku every day, and know virtually all of the news, it is the reaction of the GB team that I listen for.

Of course it's unprofessional, that's what makes it fun.  If they went down a bullet point list of every news item and gave middle-of-the-road objective statements, it would be terribly boring to listen to.

Also gaming press =/= journalism.  They're critics, and critics have no obligation towards objectivity or fairness.

but that's what makes them great.  Jeff has been doing this stuff since 1995, I have to think he knows what he's doing.

"You seem like one of those guys who just has to pick at everything. Give it a rest =P"

This is a blog, not to advertising gaming but to talk about it.

If you want to be a stuck up, super-serious person, then leave.

This place is casual and fun... just how I like it.

"I think you have the idea of a Podcast all wrong. It's not an article. It's 4 guys talking."

Regarding Soul Calibur versus Mortal Kombat:

MK vs. DC is a total 100% unabashed crossover. It's got "DC Universe" in the freaking title. They wear it on their sleeves that yes, this is a big marketing cash-in with some dudes who have nothing to do with MK whatsoever but would still be pretty sweet to fight against. The same gimmick paid off in spades for Marvel vs. Capcom back in the day. I can speak for Jeff and myself in saying that what we're stoked about is that Midway is running with the concept as far as they can.

By contrast, Soul Calibur IV is weird because, just like in SCII with Link/Spawn/Heihachi, they've snuck in these weirdly incongruous characters as some kind of half-hearted marketing-driven bonus to the game. The fact that Yoda and Vader are front and center on the box art just makes it look like that much more of a desperate grab for attention. If Soul Calibur went all the way and started pulling in tons of characters from every big action series you could think of--say, if Soul Calibur 5 had Kratos, Dante, Nariko, Ryu Hayabusa, Master Chief, and name-about-a-dozen-other-action-game-heroes. I say it needs to go back to what it was, which was a fighting game with a bunch of believable historically themed characters, or it should become the Smash Bros. of hardcore fighting games. Right now it's in this weird in-between area that doesn't sit well with me.

"Regarding Soul Calibur versus Mortal Kombat:

MK vs. DC is a total 100% unabashed crossover. It's got "DC Universe" in the freaking title. They wear it on their sleeves that yes, this is a big marketing cash-in with some dudes who have nothing to do with MK whatsoever but would still be pretty sweet to fight against. The same gimmick paid off in spades for Marvel vs. Capcom back in the day. I can speak for Jeff and myself in saying that what we're stoked about is that Midway is running with the concept as far as they can.

By contrast, Soul Calibur IV is weird because, just like in SCII with Link/Spawn/Heihachi, they've snuck in these weirdly incongruous characters as some kind of half-hearted marketing-driven bonus to the game. The fact that Yoda and Vader are front and center on the box art just makes it look like that much more of a desperate grab for attention. If Soul Calibur went all the way and started pulling in tons of characters from every big action series you could think of--say, if Soul Calibur 5 had Kratos, Dante, Nariko, Ryu Hayabusa, Master Chief, and name-about-a-dozen-other-action-game-heroes. I say it needs to go back to what it was, which was a fighting game with a bunch of believable historically themed characters, or it should become the Smash Bros. of hardcore fighting games. Right now it's in this weird in-between area that doesn't sit well with me."

"Brad said:

"Regarding Soul Calibur versus Mortal Kombat:

MK vs. DC is a total 100% unabashed crossover. It's got "DC Universe" in the freaking title. They wear it on their sleeves that yes, this is a big marketing cash-in with some dudes who have nothing to do with MK whatsoever but would still be pretty sweet to fight against. The same gimmick paid off in spades for Marvel vs. Capcom back in the day. I can speak for Jeff and myself in saying that what we're stoked about is that Midway is running with the concept as far as they can.

By contrast, Soul Calibur IV is weird because, just like in SCII with Link/Spawn/Heihachi, they've snuck in these weirdly incongruous characters as some kind of half-hearted marketing-driven bonus to the game. The fact that Yoda and Vader are front and center on the box art just makes it look like that much more of a desperate grab for attention. If Soul Calibur went all the way and started pulling in tons of characters from every big action series you could think of--say, if Soul Calibur 5 had Kratos, Dante, Nariko, Ryu Hayabusa, Master Chief, and name-about-a-dozen-other-action-game-heroes. I say it needs to go back to what it was, which was a fighting game with a bunch of believable historically themed characters, or it should become the Smash Bros. of hardcore fighting games. Right now it's in this weird in-between area that doesn't sit well with me."

There is a difference with the Marvel vs Capcom games,  the first is Capcom made a Marvel game just a year or so before they combined the two.  The second is capcom wasn't really looking for a big promotional boost from a tie in.  I just feel the MK vs DC thing is just a move to bring interest back into the series.  I mean the next game is said to be MK9 right?  is this MK vs DC MK8?    

PS: its sat night shouldn't you be out doing something?  lol"

"Of course it's unprofessional, that's what makes it fun.  If they went down a bullet point list of every news item and gave middle-of-the-road objective statements, it would be terribly boring to listen to.

Also gaming press =/= journalism.  They're critics, and critics have no obligation towards objectivity or fairness."

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And333 said
"Before Marvel Vs. Capcom no ones cared about Street Fighter"   LOL yeah ok big guy.   The very first one they did was X-Men vs Street fighter,  released by Capcom in 1996.   Street fighter 2 came out in 1991 and I am pretty sure that  is the game that made ppl care about  Street Fighter

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The PodCast is just 4 guys who work on this site casually shooting the shit, it isn't exactly the Times.

Stop taking yourself so seriously.

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Grow. Up.

You know, this is the style of GB. If you prefer totally serious reports, GB isn't the gaming news source you are looking for.

Podcasts are not set in a ridged fashion, they can tackle any topic any way they want. If you don't like it then simply don't listen.