Trophies for PS3 only games.

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#1  Edited By btman

On PS3 only game pages it would be nice if there was a tab on the left side (like the achievements one for all other games) that let the user see all the trophies for that game.  For example Uncharted 1/2, LBP 1/2, Infamous, etc.  Is this at all possible?  I would like to see the trophies available for LBP2 without having to search google for it.  This doesn't seem unreasonable or too hard to do since it's already integrated for achievements.  It would also be nice for multi-plat games to have the trophy equivalent next to the "Achievement" name since 5-20 pts are usually bronze trohpies it would be cool to be able to see that.
 
Didn't know where else to post this suggestion and I don't know if it's been brought up before.
 
Just a thought.

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#2  Edited By Hailinel

You can see a list of a game's trophies by accessing the game's trophy list in the XMB.

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#3  Edited By CL60

We did have trophies on the site at one point, but they had to be removed.

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#4  Edited By btman
@Hailinel:   Not for games I don't own...
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#5  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
@btman said:
" @Hailinel:   Not for games I don't own... "
They would have to be added maunaly. I think the current system updates via xbox systems or what not. 
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#6  Edited By btman
@The_Laughing_Man:   That wouldn't be too hard since there aren't that many exclusive games.  Hell if they throw me some xp and a list of all the games I'll do it.
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#7  Edited By AndrewGaspar

Why does Sony still have no Trophy API? -.-

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#8  Edited By LordAndrew
@AndrewGaspar said:
" Why does Sony still have no Trophy API? -.- "
Microsoft doesn't have one either. Giant Bomb gets that data by scraping. But the difference is that Microsoft hasn't told Giant Bomb not to do that.
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#9  Edited By cgoodno
@LordAndrew said:
" @AndrewGaspar said:
" Why does Sony still have no Trophy API? -.- "
Microsoft doesn't have one either. Giant Bomb gets that data by scraping. But the difference is that Microsoft hasn't told Giant Bomb not to do that. "
But that doesn't mean that the trophy data couldn't be added manually.  Sony has an issue with data mining from their site, not from manually providing the data.  With some generic bronze, silver, gold, and platinum icons, would be pretty easy to create a standard wiki template for adding trophy data, no?
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#10  Edited By LordAndrew
@cgoodno: Then create a guide explaining what each trophy is. Anyone can do that. The staff are not going to do manual achievement tracking though.
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#11  Edited By cgoodno
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" @cgoodno: Then create a guide explaining what each trophy is. Anyone can do that. The staff are not going to do manual achievement tracking though. "

1.  I hate it when non-staff people say things on behalf of the staff. 

2.  I didn't say the staff would or should do it, but people could submit the items like they do all the other information in the Wiki.  All it requires is a wiki template that people would conform to.  It would still be reliant on someone entering in the data, not necessarily the staff.  Would make a lot more sense to include the info on a page specific to the game in question, especially since it's a list of the trophies, not a guide to obtaining each of the trophies.  But, hey, that's just my opinion.  I do think Sony's refusal to allow people to data mine is pretty lame (raptr has the same problem and had to stop doing trophy and gameplay session tracking because Sony told them to stop).
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#12  Edited By ProfessorEss

I just use ps3trophies.org. They seem to stay on top if things pretty well.
 
I do really hope the people at Sony pull their heads out of their asses on issue this someday.

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#13  Edited By citizenkane
@cgoodno said:
" @LordAndrew said:

" @cgoodno: Then create a guide explaining what each trophy is. Anyone can do that. The staff are not going to do manual achievement tracking though. "

1.  I hate it when non-staff people say things on behalf of the staff.
The staff is often too busy to deal with these questions more than once, so it is necessary for other people to speak on behalf of them.  LordAndrew knows a lot of this sort of thing, so he is a reliable source.
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#14  Edited By cgoodno
@CitizenKane said:
" @cgoodno said:
" @LordAndrew said:

" @cgoodno: Then create a guide explaining what each trophy is. Anyone can do that. The staff are not going to do manual achievement tracking though. "

1.  I hate it when non-staff people say things on behalf of the staff.
The staff is often too busy to deal with these questions more than once, so it is necessary for other people to speak on behalf of them.  LordAndrew knows a lot of this sort of thing, so he is a reliable source. "
Then perhaps there should be a rank/title that should coincide with this level of trust by the staff?  Otherwise, I won't remember nor will others.  I know it sounds critical, but would you expect anyone else to respond as otherwise when getting a response from 'anyone'  on the forums?  Or, perhaps I'm missing out on this sort of indication?  As a person who visits a lot of gaming sites, I have learned not to trust someone's post or otherwise point-tallied count in these matters.
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#15  Edited By citizenkane
@cgoodno said:
" @CitizenKane said:
" @cgoodno said:
" @LordAndrew said:

" @cgoodno: Then create a guide explaining what each trophy is. Anyone can do that. The staff are not going to do manual achievement tracking though. "

1.  I hate it when non-staff people say things on behalf of the staff.
The staff is often too busy to deal with these questions more than once, so it is necessary for other people to speak on behalf of them.  LordAndrew knows a lot of this sort of thing, so he is a reliable source. "
Then perhaps there should be a rank/title that should coincide with this level of trust by the staff?  Otherwise, I won't remember nor will others.  I know it sounds critical, but would you expect anyone else to respond as otherwise when getting a response from 'anyone'  on the forums?  Or, perhaps I'm missing out on this sort of indication?  As a person who visits a lot of gaming sites, I have learned not to trust someone's post or otherwise point-tallied count in these matters. "
There is really no need for that sort of thing.  You just have to learn over time whether or not to trust somebody.
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#16  Edited By btman
@CitizenKane:   So what about it?  Is there any way you can contact the staff about my suggestion?  I will manually do it if they make it possible.  It would really add to the value of the site.
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#17  Edited By mordukai
@CL60 said:
" We did have trophies on the site at one point, but they had to be removed. "
I don't think he means which one you already got but which ones each games had. 
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#18  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator

Manually adding PS Trophies seems like it would largely be a waste of time to me. The whole point of the Achievements system on Giant Bomb is to track people's progress and provide stats & graphs about how users are doing. Manually adding achievements wouldn't do any of this, it would just be re posting information that's already available on other sites. Giant Bomb has never been about copying what other sites are doing, but providing a more unique take on things. Regurgitating the information that's already available on a million other websites really doesn't do this. 
 
Hopefully Sony will allow sites to access trophy data in the near future and this whole thing will be a non-issue. It would be great to have a fully cross-platform achievements system on the site, but until Sony allow it, it's not going to happen.

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#19  Edited By cgoodno
@MattyFTM said:
" Manually adding PS Trophies seems like a waste of everyone's time to me. The whole point of the Achievements system on Giant Bomb is to track people's progress and provide stats & graphs about how users are doing. Manually adding achievements wouldn't do any of this, it would just be re posting information that's already available on other sites. Giant Bomb has never been about copying what other sites are doing, but providing a more unique take on things. Regurgitating the information that's already available on a million other websites really doesn't do this.  Hopefully Sony will allow sites to access trophy data in the near future and this whole thing will be a non-issue. It would be great to have a fully cross-platform achievements system on the site, but until Sony allow it, it's not going to happen. "
Yeah, I got the idea that it wasn't adding your own trophies, but listing all of the trophies by game.  Perhaps a guide for tracking all achievements/trophies could be made since it won't be a part of the individual game pages based on feedback.  Or, just use a site out there that already collects the trophy lists, though that doesn't 'aid' GiantBomb much.  I do have to admit that adding it to the Whiskey API would increase the chances of smaller sites integrating the data and thereby linking to GiantBomb.  I haven't looked too much into the API, but if guides are included, there could be a way to make it work.
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#20  Edited By btman
@MattyFTM:   As a video game website I don't get how you can not think it's important to have a list of trophies that a game has.  What would new people finding the site think that a video game website doesn't have such basic information?
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#21  Edited By ProfessorEss
@btman: I would hope most people would understand and accept the responses given and use another site for their trophy management.
 
I understand your complaint, but there are sites wholly dedicated to trophies that will most likely always be more complete and correct, which leaves me questioning the usefulness of it.
 
I know I wouldn't use it.
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#22  Edited By CL60
@Mordukai said:
" @CL60 said:
" We did have trophies on the site at one point, but they had to be removed. "
I don't think he means which one you already got but which ones each games had.  "
But it's either that, or manually adding them to every game, which would be a large waste of time.
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#23  Edited By LordAndrew
@btman said:
" @MattyFTM:   As a video game website I don't get how you can not think it's important to have a list of trophies that a game has.  What would new people finding the site think that a video game website doesn't have such basic information? "
But that stuff is there primarily for achievement tracking. If you want that information to be available, you can create a guide. You can even set the guide type to "Achievements/Trophies".
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#24  Edited By btman

All I want is to this to get to the top.  If they say no that's a bad idea, I'll forget about it and do what @LordAndrew said.

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#25  Edited By citizenkane
@btman said:
" All I want is to this to get to the top.  If they say no that's a bad idea, I'll forget about it and do what @LordAndrew said. "
They have already said a few times that PS3 Trophies are not near the top of their list right now.  Maybe down the road when Sony makes it easier for them to grab the data, but not anytime soon.