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#1  Edited By NekuSakuraba

For example, if someone was going to name all characters in a Street Fighter game would they have to think of their names and moves on the top of their head or would it be okay to do some online research? 
 
Thanks.

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#2  Edited By MKHavoc

That doesn't seem any worse than copying the setlist for the latest Guitar Hero or Rockband game.

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#4  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator

Using other sites for research is fine. Copy/pasting from other sites isn't.

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#5  Edited By natetodamax

You are allowed to paraphrase and use info from other sites, but you can't copy and paste because that's plagiarism.

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#6  Edited By papercut

if it feels dirty, don't do it.

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#7  Edited By Ignor
@MattyFTM: What about images? I've been wondering about that for some time now. Aren't most of the uploaded images infringing copyrights in some way?
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#8  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator
@Ignor: I really don't know enough about copyright law to say for sure, but I would imagine that the images uploaded to the site should normally fall under fair use laws. Either way, all we've been instructed to do with regards to images is to ensure they're not watermarked. If they do infringe on copyrights, then it's up to the staff to deal with and tighten up the rules on image uploads.
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#9  Edited By BeachThunder

Copying those names would be fine, the reason is that those are dot-point facts. If you come up with a list of street fighter characters your list would end up identical to anyone else's list of street fighter characters. The issue arises when you start using someone else's unique phrasing. But, it is a bit of a grey area when your own words inadvertently end up almost identical to someone else's. For example, there's only so many ways you could ever explain that Blanka has green skin and orange hair.

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#10  Edited By Kyreo
@MattyFTM said:
" Using other sites for research is fine. Copy/pasting from other sites isn't. "
This.
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#11  Edited By Video_Game_King
@MattyFTM said:
" Using other sites for research is fine. Copy/pasting from other sites isn't. "
What about in instances where it's impossible to put it in your own words, like the reindeer on the Santa page, or the paradigm thing on the FF13 page?
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#12  Edited By Brackynews
@Video_Game_King said:

What about in instances where it's impossible to put it in your own words, like the reindeer on the Santa page, or the paradigm thing on the FF13 page? "

@BeachThunder said:

" Copying those names would be fine, the reason is that those are dot-point facts. If you come up with a list of street fighter characters your list would end up identical to anyone else's list of street fighter characters. The issue arises when you start using someone else's unique phrasing. "

Hope that helps. :)    
 
@NekuSakuraba: The issue isn't really about using the copy/paste tool, it's about not being "guilty" of plagiarism.  Don't take someone else's words and pretend that they are your words.  Whether you are writing in a wiki or a school paper, it comes down to: Can you paraphrase?  If Yes, do so.  Facts and statistics can't normally be paraphrased, but they – along with quotes – can be cited, which is not something the GB wiki requires or especially encourages.  The Fresh Prince page plagiarizes the song almost completely... but it's entirely appropriate in the context.  It would be good to cite/mention that it's from a song, for the small number of people that have never heard it.  But to an extent Giant Bomb is a community based on in-jokes.  Turning the lyrics of that song (yes lyrics are copyrighted) into a deadpan history section is hilarious, and rare.  Don't do that all the time.  I wrote most of the Panties page, and killed myself laughing whilst doing it.  I'm not saying it's good, but damned if it ain't original. ;)
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#13  Edited By LordAndrew
@Video_Game_King said:
" What about in instances where it's impossible to put it in your own words, like the reindeer on the Santa page, or the paradigm thing on the FF13 page? "
If you're copying a specific presentation of that information, that's not okay. If you're describing facts or ideas that already exist, those are uncopyrightable and there's nothing to worry about.
 
The U.S. Copyright Office's copyright FAQ has answers to a number of common questions.
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#14  Edited By LiquidPrince
@MattyFTM said:
" Using other sites for research is fine. Copy/pasting from other sites isn't. "
Can't really be said anymore clearly. I assume you know what plagiarism is.
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#15  Edited By Karl_Boss
@LordAndrew said:
" @Video_Game_King said:
" What about in instances where it's impossible to put it in your own words, like the reindeer on the Santa page, or the paradigm thing on the FF13 page? "
If you're copying a specific presentation of that information, that's not okay. If you're describing facts or ideas that already exist, those are uncopyrightable and there's nothing to worry about.
 
The U.S. Copyright Office's copyright FAQ has answers to a number of common questions. "
Actually I debated this with the mod team....a guy made a page that looks exactly like the Wikipedia page with just slightly different wording and some exempted information....It was an extremely close imitation of the wikipedia page which I thought was plagiarism but the mod team said it was okay.
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#16  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Unknown_Pleasures: 
 
Was it a straight-up list of things that would be impossible to put in your own words?
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#17  Edited By Karl_Boss
@MattyFTM said:
" Using other sites for research is fine. Copy/pasting from other sites isn't. "
My main issue is when does paraphrasing become too much? I've seen articles that looked exactly like the wikipedia article with just different wording which is still plagiarism but yet you guys still allow that.
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#18  Edited By Karl_Boss
@Video_Game_King: 
Wikipedia article: Zeebo
Giantbomb article: Zeebo
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#19  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Unknown_Pleasures: 
 
That one seems to be more of a case of actual plagiarizing. Not sure why the mods defended it.
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#20  Edited By Karl_Boss
@Video_Game_King: Yep I got shot down.
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#21  Edited By KaosAngel
@NekuSakuraba: ...you know that PM you sent me earlier today that was really long?  You can't do copypasta like that.  :|
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#22  Edited By NekuSakuraba
@KaosAngel said:
" @NekuSakuraba: ...you know that PM you sent me earlier today that was really long?  You can't do copypasta like that.  :| "
I wrote that! xD
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#23  Edited By Karl_Boss
@Ignor said:
" @MattyFTM: What about images? I've been wondering about that for some time now. Aren't most of the uploaded images infringing copyrights in some way? "
I guarantee you that a lot of the images on this site are infringing copyright...however, will the owners of said images file a cease and desist, ask for the image to be removed, or in more extreme case try to file a lawsuit? In almost all cases probably not so it really isn't a big issue which is why the staff hasn't brought it up....if there is a problem it should be taken care of on a case to case basis.