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#1 Edited by Hamz (6899 posts) -
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#2 Posted by Hamz (6899 posts) -

Placeholder!

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#3 Posted by lordofultima (6582 posts) -

Huzzah!

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#4 Posted by jakob187 (22940 posts) -

Did you forget something there, Hamz?

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#5 Posted by AjayRaz (12835 posts) -

woo! thanks for this.

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#6 Posted by FrankCanada97 (4186 posts) -

An excellent write up, hopefully this will be of benefit to wiki editors both old and new.

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#7 Posted by JJOR64 (19692 posts) -

Didn't Ultima write this?
 
Anyways, awesome stuff.   :)

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#8 Posted by MattyFTM (14839 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" Didn't Ultima write this? "
Ultima wrote a lot of it, yes. But quite a bit of it is from the old wiki FAQ (which a lot of the old moderators contributed to) and various things have been edited & improved on by several of the other mods. Ultima took the lead on it though, and put a tonne of effort into it, so kudos to him for being awesome.
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#9 Posted by btman (1114 posts) -

Very useful.

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#10 Posted by JohnTheGamer (444 posts) -

Good deal. I have fallen out of wiki editing but it's great to update this every now and then.

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#11 Posted by Brackynews (4387 posts) -

Nice, was looking for a refresher. Good to see things are getting streamlined.
Any chance of getting this linked from the official FAQ?
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#12 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8020 posts) -

Mostly unchanged but still good info.

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#13 Edited by pickassoreborn (739 posts) -

Can I request a new Platform to add?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM_Coup%C3%A9
 
Basically considered as the "Super Spectrum", I used to own and produce pixel art on this and in its short life, some rare games emerged. It'll be sweet if this made it on to the Bomb!

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#14 Posted by Hamz (6899 posts) -
@pickassoreborn: Only the staff can add new platforms. Feel free to contact them with your proposal! :)
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#15 Posted by Skullo (689 posts) -

What level should I before I do wiki stuff? I was just wondering.

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#16 Posted by Hamz (6899 posts) -
@Skullo: The wiki is an open canvas ready to be used by anyone regardless of level or wiki point total. Don't delay, get editing today! :P
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#17 Posted by wrathofconn (1506 posts) -

This is something I've been curious about for a long time, guess I'll ask here. How does the system determine how many points you get for a submission? I know images and associations etc. always have a fixed value, but for text submissions, is it a flat number for how many characters you submit, or scaled vs. the total amount of text the page already has?

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#18 Posted by Hamz (6899 posts) -
@wrathofconn: It's pretty much random. Certain formatting options will net larger amounts of points but there is no guarantees.
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#19 Posted by CharlesAlanRatliff (5729 posts) -

I'm not sure if this is linked in the original post or not, but it may be useful to include Jeff's Guide to Style. It's useful information that I feel needs to be made more public, especially for things like the italicization of game titles and such.

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#20 Edited by MarkWahlberg (4714 posts) -

Yeah, point attribution can be a bit odd. Hella points for adding a ton of shit, but rewriting large portions of a wiki doesn't seem to get you much. Although I guess that prevents people from deleting old stuff, putting up basically the same shit and getting a buttload of points. Oh well. I demand recognition for fancifying pages!

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#21 Edited by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -

Some things that may be helpful to add to this FAQ: 
 

  • Avoid second person
  • Xbox, not XBox, PlayStation, not Playstation, Game Boy, not Gameboy
  • Avoid subjectivity (e.g. this game has beautiful environments). Rather, you could mention that this game was "praised for its environments," if that indeed is the case.
  • Difference between they're, their, there, and your/you're... see this far too often than I should.
  • Never italicize, underline, or bold game titles!
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#22 Posted by gbrading (3004 posts) -
@StarFoxA said:
"Some things that may be helpful to add to this FAQ: 
 
  • Avoid second person
  • Xbox, not XBox, PlayStation, not Playstation, Game Boy, not Gameboy
  • Avoid subjectivity (e.g. this game has beautiful environments). Rather, you could mention that this game was "praised for its environments," if that indeed is the case.
  • Difference between they're, their, there, and your/you're... see this far too often than I should.
  • Never italicize, underline, or bold game titles!
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I certainly agree with all of these points apart from the italicising or emboldening of game titles. I know we're not here to copy Wikipedia's style guide, but I find their practice of italicising titles and embolding the first one in an article makes the article look neater. Maybe it's a personal preference thing, but I also find it easier to read.
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#23 Posted by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@gbrading: According to Jeff it doesn't. He only mentions italics, however.
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#24 Posted by gbrading (3004 posts) -
@StarFoxA:
Hmm, I hadn't read that before. I wonder why he decided game titles aren't italicised but movie titles are.
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#25 Posted by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@gbrading: Movie titles and TV shows. ;) I'm not sure either, but I don't really like the look of italics in a wiki page anyway. If it were up to me, I wouldn't even italicize movie or TV show names. 
 
Remembered another thing that might be worth mentioning: 
  • Americanized vocabulary. As an American site, things like "colour" and "honour" should be "color" and "honor."
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#26 Posted by gbrading (3004 posts) -
@StarFoxA: 
Argh, US English. I do agree with that for reasons of keeping everything uniform, but I sadly never remember to do it. :( Trying to force us Brits to spell things incorrectly, as we see it, is tough going.
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#27 Posted by ZombiePie (7063 posts) -
@gbrading: We don't italicize game titles because that's what the Gamespot style guide was like. Also yes American spelling is the correct typography on this site.
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#28 Posted by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@gbrading: Are you kidding me? It's the most correct, clearly. You don't say "col-oor," phonetically you say "color." :P
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#29 Edited by MattyFTM (14839 posts) -
@StarFoxA: Phonetically it's nothing like color. It's more like culer. Colour is closer to it phonetically than color. Color implies it would be pronounced Coll (like the start of collar) - lore. Colour isn't that much better phonetically, but it is slightly better.
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#30 Posted by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@MattyFTM: Phonetically it's culler, sure, but -or endings can be pronounced -er, while the -our suffix is more like hour or flour. -our does not belong in color!
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#31 Posted by LordAndrew (14601 posts) -
@StarFoxA said:
" @gbrading: According to Jeff it doesn't. He only mentions italics, however. "
He doesn't say whether it makes things easier or harder to read, he just says not to do it.
@StarFoxA said:
" @gbrading: Are you kidding me? It's the most correct, clearly. You don't say "col-oor," phonetically you say "color." :P "
I am so going to kill you. XD
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#32 Edited by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@LordAndrew: I inferred it. :P 
 
Come at me bro! 
 
Edit: Listen guys, I understand your irratiounal louve four the letter u in wourds it douesn't beloung in, but we need to strive for counsistency.
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#33 Posted by MattyFTM (14839 posts) -
@StarFoxA: But if -or can be pronounced -er, why can't -our be pronounced -er?
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#34 Posted by StarFoxA (5261 posts) -
@MattyFTM: Listen, I'm not the one who outlined all the rules.  
 
(It's because America won the war 300 years ago)
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#35 Posted by CrimsonAvenger (375 posts) -

I have over 1000 wiki points on several other whiskey media sites so why do my submissions have to go through Moderation here on Giant Bomb? Not sure if this the correct thread for this because I don't believe we have this thread on comicvine or Screened so I'm not sure.

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#36 Posted by MattyFTM (14839 posts) -
@crimsonavenger: Assuming all you're accounts are linked up to the same multipass, you shouldn't have to go through moderation, and that is a bug which you should report in the bug reporting forum to bring to the staff's attention. 
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#37 Posted by afrokola (538 posts) -

I've been doing some Wiki updates over the last few weeks, trying to get more comfortable with it, but I'm not understanding Image Submissions. I add an image but it doesn't show up in my queue or on the page ever, for example, I added an image for Adam Fenix from Gears of War but it doesn't appear. Am I doing something wrong or skipping a step?

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#38 Posted by ZombiePie (7063 posts) -

@texaseanacre: Unless you have 1,000 points images go into a crowd moderation tool where it is moderated by your peers.

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#39 Posted by afrokola (538 posts) -
@ZombiePie: Ah ha! Okay, thank you for the speedy response, Zombie. I'll keep moving into that 1,000 wiki point space then and hope for the best!
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#40 Posted by takashichea (519 posts) -

I will add to this for new wiki editors because I made a mistake in adding player advice. I learned that these things are subjective from three helpful individuals these last 3 weeks or more.

Opinionated text or sounds like an advert for the game: While everyone is free to have his or her own view on a subject, we like to keep things objective.

Player Advice or things that sound like a FAQ is opinionated.

*If you are unsure, just ask a veteran wiki editor native to this site or a mod to check your wiki page. (especially for those who came from other whiskey media sites that bypass the moderation like me)

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#41 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

@Hamz:

Question! Is there are way how spoilers are handled? Sure, if you write a plot summary of a game, those are potential spoilers in general. But some info, especially on a character, is a twist or otherwise supposed to surprise a player at some point in the game, but still belongs onto a characters page (i think).

For example, in my entries for Joshua Graham and Adam Jensen, I mostly wrote about their background, which illustrates their personality, but doesn't give away any crucial plot-related info (those are on the game page). But I felt like Gabriel Belmonts page needed more info, so I added his progress and change during the events of Lords of Shadow. I think it's important info about the character and belongs to his page. But I'm also concerned it might spoil someones game experience who just wanted to look up the character for extra info. Adding the option of inserting a spoiler box like in the forums would be great.

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#42 Posted by Hamz (6899 posts) -

@Morrow: Game pages should include the same spoiler material as Character pages would. There's no harm in putting a "Spoiler's ahead if you continue reading..." comment on a game page especially if it's a fairly new game release. But actually blocking out or purposefully hiding spoiler-ish material from pages should never be done. If you visit a page then do so at the risk of spoiler's being included.

Feel free to carry on editing and making sure pages contain all relevant and factual information!

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#43 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

@Hamz: Okies, thanks a lot for the clarification!

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#44 Posted by Marino (6591 posts) -

@Morrow: I'm of the opinion that if you have a section on the wiki labeled as Story, anyone reading it should know there are spoilers in it. If you're so worried about spoilers, you shouldn't be reading story info anyway. Putting spoiler warnings of any kind tend to look tacky.

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#45 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

@Marino: Oh, I'm not concerned about spoilers. I like them :D But other people might not and I was just concerned to upset someone by giving away too much in my articles. But as Hamz already said, everyone reading the articles should expect spoilers, I guess. I still put a little warning before the crucial stuff in my Gabriel Belmont entry.

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#46 Edited by Dragoness1993 (49 posts) -

Is it okay to put content on a wiki page that contains spoilers of the games plot/ ending etc?

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#47 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

@Dragoness1993:

I asked the same thing ^^

Yes it is ok, as people who read a detailed entry on a game/character have to expect spoilers. You can mark them, though, with a "spoilers ahead" or something along those lines :)

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#48 Posted by Dragoness1993 (49 posts) -

@Morrow: That's awesome then ^^ I will most definitely add some more info to some pages then but make sure I clearly mark that there will be spoilers

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#49 Posted by Morrow (1870 posts) -

@Dragoness1993:

That's cool, always great to see people working on the Wiki :)

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#50 Posted by Dragoness1993 (49 posts) -

@Morrow: Yep, its good to work on them =)