Avalon game in BLLSL, what happen?

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Correct me if I am wrong but.

Mary and Alex are bad guys right? And the second question the members are Rorie, Drew and Brad? If so how come the mission was a fail?

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#2  Edited By ajamafalous

Somebody fucked up (presumably Brad, considering Drew and Rorie both voted success for the previous two-man quest).

It's worth noting that Mary and Dan both kinda fucked up too (Mary's side thumb, Dan not being able to read the side thumb and thinking Drew was evil), so the whole game was a wash, really.

EDIT: Interesting to see what would've happened if not for the #Thumbspiracy. It was obvious to the viewers what happened, but Dan had no reason to be suspicious because he thought Drew was evil, so a fail there is normal. I wonder if he would've said something or not (and expose himself as Merlin to point out the 'illegal' play) if he had known that Mary was the evil one and not Drew.

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#3  Edited By Pugtato

Rorie had butterfingers on the first round, but Brad looked awfully shifty. #badbrad

When I watched it live, that round totally convinced me that Drew was the bad boy.

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@tokensonly: I'm with you, I didn't watch the reveal and was sure that Drew had to be bad after that turn and he kept making a face that looked like he was trying to not let them know that he was being caught lying.

I really like watching them play Avalon, hope they do it again in the future

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I have a feeling Rorie is just chaos (in real life) and played an evil card just cause in the second round. Alex and Mary must have truly been confused there.

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This bugged me too. It's kind of game-breaking for a good player to throw a fail card. And I'm glad Mary got called out on that side-thumb crap.

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#7  Edited By Jesus_Phish

I closed my eyes so I could "play along". I thought Drew and Alex were the bad guys.

The second round was just a cock up by someone putting down the wrong card. I've played the game and seen it happen before. Most of the time the people I play with double and even triple check the card before they commit to it.

*EDIT*

I had a feeling Dan was Merlin because of the amount of time he took during the "Merlin open your eyes" bit.

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Mary did some weird side-thumb crap and fucked it all up, basically.

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The good guys have to vote for quest success so one of Drew, Brad and Rorie messed up on the first quest, which had 2 passes and 1 fail, presumably unintentionally.

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#10  Edited By Y2Ken

Mary should have been slightly more full-on with her thumb but I don't know how Dan didn't see it, it was still pretty clear. Unless it was just the angle he was sitting at. If anything Brad and Rorie were the odd ones because they seemed to be ignoring the whole "put your hand in a fist" thing. It was still a fun time though.

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So here is something I'm unsure about the rules....good guys have to vote SUCCESS....what about bad guys? They can vote SUCCESS but then it's at the risk of the good guys winning right?

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Mary Kish' thumb was clearly up. There is no question about it. If anyone is to be blamed it's Dan for not seeing it.

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I want to say @brad played the wrong card in the second round but @rorie points to him before the card is played so he could have played it just to mess with brad.

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#14  Edited By XCEagle

@flameboy84: Yes, the bad guys can vote success or failure. They have to weigh the risk of placing suspicion upon themselves vs. helping the good guys progress towards the win condition.

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@y2ken: Brad sort of looks like his thumb is up on his face. Mary has her thumb up, but at an angle that's pointing towards Dan.

So here is something I'm unsure about the rules....good guys have to vote SUCCESS....what about bad guys? They can vote SUCCESS but then it's at the risk of the good guys winning right?

Good guys have to vote success yeah. Bad guys can vote either way. But once a fail vote comes up everyone is suspicious as to who put it there. The winner is the first team to get to three missions, three successful ones for the good guys, three failures for the bad guys.

The number of bad guys depends on the total playing. In a two player game, there's only two bad guys so they have to be careful not to show their hand right away and get caught or else the good guys will just send each other on missions.

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I'm pretty sure Rorie just trolled the second mission. Seem to remember him doing that before.

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#17  Edited By ejc93

proper thumb etiquette is important in life, but if everyone else is supposed to have their hand in a fist it still should've been really easy to figure out who the evil people were - a thumb out is a thumb out.

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I don't want to hijack the thread but I didn't think making a new topic for one question makes a lot of sense considering this one is about Avalon.

What's the difference between The Resistance set of games? I want to buy one but I've heard Drew talk about The Resistance on the bombcast, they play Resistance Avalon on livestreams and then Amazon lists a few other similar games under the same "Resistance" name.

Basically: Which one is the best/should I buy?

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Rorie joked about playing a failure card while being good the last time they played, I 'd be surprised if it wasn't him that did the evil deed.

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@jjbsterling:Basically the same thing, except Avalon has Merlin. It also comes with a number of modifiers, like "the lady of the lake" card that lets you see the allegiance of one person, and a few special characters, like an evil character that can't be seen by Merlin, or an evil character that can't be seen by the other evil people).

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#21 FinalDasa  Moderator

@hassun said:

Mary Kish' thumb was clearly up. There is no question about it. If anyone is to be blamed it's Dan for not seeing it.

Agreed! Sure she didn't give the enthusiasm as Brad did with his thumb but COME ON! I'm thinking maybe Dan didn't have a great angle and thus just saw her hand out there and not the thumb.

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I had my eyes closed so I had no idea who was who.

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@finaldasa: Rorie making one of the good guy rounds fail is another matter of course. :V

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@hassun said:

Mary Kish' thumb was clearly up. There is no question about it. If anyone is to be blamed it's Dan for not seeing it.

Agreed! Sure she didn't give the enthusiasm as Brad did with his thumb but COME ON! I'm thinking maybe Dan didn't have a great angle and thus just saw her hand out there and not the thumb.

That thumb was meekly sticking out to the side! Any regular human being knows thumbs up, is THUMBS UP. She is a traitor to the republic.

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No idea, and I still don't understand how the game works. I like watching it though.

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@jjbsterling: Resistance and the Avalon are both the same game at the basic level. Where they differ is the way they make the game more complex for more experienced players. Avalon has the role cards which are based around the Merlin, with cards such as one good guy who knows who Merlin is, a bad guy who doesn't appear to Merlin and so on. Resistance on the other hand has just basic roles, but there are cards that get used in the game: one might be a veto card for votes, another might force the player chosen to reveal his role to the person using the card.

Then there's Resistance: Coup which is a completely different game but uses the Resistance's aesthetic. It's a bluffing game. Fun for people who like the bluffing aspect of poker. Finally, there's One Night Resistance that's coming out, but it's based on One Night Ultimate Werewolf (which I prefer to Resistance).

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@retris: In ONUW did they fix the inherent problem in Werewolf were people can be knocked out of the game and left not playing? We played it in college and whenever you play with a big group, you had people who would be knocked out early on and they'd just have to sit there watching everyone else continue to play the game.

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rorie loves chaos, had to be him

while dan was blaming everyone, he was most at fault here. if you cannot tell who is evil, you stop and redeal. dont just play on and whinge at the end

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@jesus_phish: One Night Ultimate Werewolf is literally just one cycle in Werewolf. You have people do things during the night (no GM needed) and then during the day you try to find out who might be the werewolf. The roles themselves are mostly things like "switch your own card with someone else's card and then look at your new card" or "switch the cards of two players" and so on. It tends to get really crazy with all the different specialist roles in play.